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And did I say that? No. But it?s proven to me that the PT is constantly on your minds and being brought up in every argument. O the PT sucks and the ST did this better. Well atleast it?s not as bad as the PT. Well Luke was written better than anakin. Like your trying to convince yourself it?s better when it?s not. In all my arguments I don?t bring up the ST unless it?s being compared to PT I don?t bring it up first. You guys do. You know why? Cause your stuck on it. You secretly seem to love it or hate so much that it?s widely accepted. Stop excusing blantant fanboy behavior just cause they are on your side.Also quit acting like JYE is this innocent saint. Look at the guys comments. His hate erection for the PT is hilarious. Dude brings it up when it?s not even being talked about. So of course he?s gonna get called out .
I just quoted you. In the other thread I was talking to Jye about how better characters would have improved the PT and made it an EPIC trilogy. Easily better then the ST and perhaps a rival to the OT.. You then came in with how bad the characters were in the ST so how could we complain about the PT (paraphrasing there) IDK.. I mean.. I just quoted you from that thread.
 
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The best part is that none of the 3 ST supporters here ever stomp their feet and proclaim that they are perfect movies we always acknowledge their faults and remind folks that there are only 2 perfect SW movies.

All we simply do as diehard fans is not completely write them off from existence just because of a story group force is female mary sue agenda or depressed defeated Luke and to make matters worse fans want them removed from canon even though KK agenda never materialized in the actual final products and Luke didn't remain defeated!


I'm sorry but the ST is not the Terminator sequels post T2 those should truly be ignored lol
 
Even Khev admitted that what we got is not what he would have written

True but ROTJ isn't what I would have written either but

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I also would have never put the stealing of the DS plans on screen nor would I have dared want anyone to touch a story about young Han Solo. So I'm always happy to be proven wrong. Now if I had the opportunity to go back in time and watch an alternate ST that was more in line with Legends EU would I? Sure. Do I think it would have been better than what we got? I really can't say. As has been echoed several times having Luke and Leia more front and center in the action could have done more harm than good at their ages and fitness levels.

My initial preference when I started resisting how Luke was handled in TLJ was that they should have presented him more like Odin in the MCU. A wise and powerful leader who was remote and of a more administrative type with his hands tied by a number of grand things throughout the galaxy and therefore not able to just go galivanting around the galaxy with the youngins. But I'm not so sure that *that* would have been the way to go because even with Odin played by the mighty Anthony Hopkins and never doing anything unbecoming like slurping green milk he didn't really leave much of an impression on the story overall.

Yes TLJ thrust Luke down into the mud but we got to watch his struggle front and center and then spectacularly rise above it in a way that fulfilled the "lip service" heroism of *both* the PT and OT that we'd never actually seen manifest before.

And this is where the genius of his portrayal really quite blows me away.

It's already been covered a number of times how Crait Luke perfectly fulfilled Yoda's teachings of using the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack, and when you are calm and passive. We've seen Luke be a warrior badass before. That's old news. Choking Gamorrean Guards, swishing alien goons off the desert skiff with his lightsaber, beating down Darth Vader himself. But we'd never seen him use the Force in exactly the way that Yoda described to turn the tide of a literal battle before. And no him tossing the saber in front of Palpatine doesn't count, that was him simply resisting the Dark Side and NOT using the Force in its purest Jedi form.

But TLJ took Luke's skills truly "next level." It didn't just repeat the desert skiff but with droids. It didn't have him waving his hands and destroying fleets of ships (why would people want that at all, it's a pure Sith move as TROS Palps himself demonstrated.) No it gave us something brand new that was totally badass in its own right, totally heroic. Honestly before the ST came around even as a lifelong SW fan I had a hard time wrapping my head around the notion that Yoda's teachings could ever be practical when facing evil on the scale of the First Order or Empire. But now thanks to TLJ I get it.

But wait there's more. What was the *entire* conflict of the PT summed up as and then summarily dismissed without a second thought? "A failure to listen." Padme called it out point blank and the one person who heard her did nothing about it because he did exactly what she said--didn't listen. But what does Luke do all throughout the movie while moping on the island? He listens!! Listens to Rey. To R2. To Yoda. He gives his speeches and justifies his actions but every time someone steps up and verbally counters him he always pauses, digests what they're saying, and reflects. And that is shown so beautifully in Mark Hamill's performance. When Rey reminds him that it was a Jedi who redeemed Vader. That was a start but not enough. Then R2 which prompted him to reconsider his refusal to train Rey. And finally Yoda who prompted him to fully rejoin the fight so to speak.

So in one film Luke singularly became what all the PT Jedi failed to be, singularly fulfilled Yoda's deepest teachings on using the Force, *and* singularly stepped up and did what PT Padme (the mother he never knew) had died hoping for the galaxy to achieve. There's just so many levels of brilliance there IMO.

In the late 70's we (the US) were a nation hurting from the Vietnam War and the scandal of Watergate. We needed a good gee whiz black and white hero to get us back on our feet again.

Now we live in a divisive country and world where people burn and pillage and scream and hate if they don't get their way and demonize those they disagree with without ever allowing there to be any merits in opposing views. If you're going to put a hero on the big screen to inspire all well to me TLJ Luke is an example for us all. As I said in one of the figure threads he embodies both extremes (the law enforcer who is too callous with the life of the man lying at his feet vs. "defunding the Jedi" altogether) but takes ownership of the failures of both sides and *rises above them* in a way that does *not* beget more violence and is instead good, humane, and sacrificial. I truly see him as the hero we needed but didn't deserve which is what Luke Skywalker was from the very beginning.
 
And did I say that? No. But it?s proven to me that the PT is constantly on your minds and being brought up in every argument.

O the PT sucks and the ST did this better. Well atleast it?s not as bad as the PT. Well Luke was written better than anakin.

Like your trying to convince yourself it?s better when it?s not.

In all my arguments I don?t bring up the ST unless it?s being compared to PT I don?t bring it up first. You guys do. You know why? Cause your stuck on it. You secretly seem to love it or hate so much that it?s widely accepted. Stop excusing blantant fanboy behavior just cause they are on your side.

Also quit acting like JYE is this innocent saint. Look at the guys comments. His hate erection for the PT is hilarious. Dude brings it up when it?s not even being talked about. So of course he?s gonna get called out .

Hey not fair I quite loved Darth Maul's original dialogue voice actor.
 
I just quoted you. In the other thread I was talking to Jye about how better characters would have improved the PT and made it an EPIC trilogy. Easily better then the ST and perhaps a rival to the OT.. You then came in with how bad the characters were in the ST so how could we complain about the PT (paraphrasing there) IDK.. I mean.. I just quoted you from that thread.

Like I said. There was PT bashing so I replied there. I didn?t reply directly to you. I don?t know what to tell you. Like I mean ..... look at the thread.

Again stop acting like you were having a sound argument and all of a sudden PT fans come in and rain on your parade. The reason people always go in on you guys is you constantly bring up points that are silly and should be challenged. So don?t get mad at me for picking apart your arguments when you say silly things like the ST is better written than the PT and the characters had more depth.

Of course you?ll have fans call you out
 
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True but ROTJ isn't what I would have written either but

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;)

I also would have never put the stealing of the DS plans on screen nor would I have dared want anyone to touch a story about young Han Solo. So I'm always happy to be proven wrong. Now if I had the opportunity to go back in time and watch an alternate ST that was more in line with Legends EU would I? Sure. Do I think it would have been better than what we got? I really can't say. As has been echoed several times having Luke and Leia more front and center in the action could have done more harm than good at their ages and fitness levels.

My initial preference when I started resisting how Luke was handled in TLJ was that they should have presented him more like Odin in the MCU. A wise and powerful leader who was remote and of a more administrative type with his hands tied by a number of grand things throughout the galaxy and therefore not able to just go galivanting around the galaxy with the youngins. But I'm not so sure that *that* would have been the way to go because even with Odin played by the mighty Anthony Hopkins and never doing anything unbecoming like slurping green milk he didn't really leave much of an impression on the story overall.

Yes TLJ thrust Luke down into the mud but we got to watch his struggle front and center and then spectacularly rise above it in a way that fulfilled the "lip service" heroism of *both* the PT and OT that we'd never actually seen manifest before.

And this is where the genius of his portrayal really quite blows me away.

It's already been covered a number of times how Crait Luke perfectly fulfilled Yoda's teachings of using the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack, and when you are calm and passive. We've seen Luke be a warrior badass before. That's old news. Choking Gamorrean Guards, swishing alien goons off the desert skiff with his lightsaber, beating down Darth Vader himself. But we'd never seen him use the Force in exactly the way that Yoda described to turn the tide of a literal battle before. And no him tossing the saber in front of Palpatine doesn't count, that was him simply resisting the Dark Side and NOT using the Force in its purest Jedi form.

But TLJ took Luke's skills truly "next level." It didn't just repeat the desert skiff but with droids. It didn't have him waving his hands and destroying fleets of ships (why would people want that at all, it's a pure Sith move as TROS Palps himself demonstrated.) No it gave us something brand new that was totally badass in its own right, totally heroic. Honestly before the ST came around even as a lifelong SW fan I had a hard time wrapping my head around the notion that Yoda's teachings could ever be practical when facing evil on the scale of the First Order or Empire. But now thanks to TLJ I get it.

But wait there's more. What was the *entire* conflict of the PT summed up as and then summarily dismissed without a second thought? "A failure to listen." Padme called it out point blank and the one person who heard her did nothing about it because he did exactly what she said--didn't listen. But what does Luke do all throughout the movie while moping on the island? He listens!! Listens to Rey. To R2. To Yoda. He gives his speeches and justifies his actions but every time someone steps up and verbally counters him he always pauses, digests what they're saying, and reflects. And that is shown so beautifully in Mark Hamill's performance. When Rey reminds him that it was a Jedi who redeemed Vader. That was a start but not enough. Then R2 which prompted him to reconsider his refusal to train Rey. And finally Yoda who prompted him to fully rejoin the fight so to speak.

So in one film Luke singularly became what all the PT Jedi failed to be, singularly fulfilled Yoda's deepest teachings on using the Force, *and* singularly stepped up and did what PT Padme (the mother he never knew) had died hoping for the galaxy to achieve. There's just so many levels of brilliance there IMO.

In the late 70's we (the US) were a nation hurting from the Vietnam War and the scandal of Watergate. We needed a good gee whiz black and white hero to get us back on our feet again.

Now we live in a divisive country and world where people burn and pillage and scream and hate if they don't get their way and demonize those they disagree with without ever allowing there to be any merits in opposing views. If you're going to put a hero on the big screen to inspire all well to me TLJ Luke is an example for us all. As I said in one of the figure threads he embodies both extremes (the law enforcer who is too callous with the life of the man lying at his feet vs. "defunding the Jedi" altogether) but takes ownership of the failures of both sides and *rises above them* in a way that does *not* beget more violence and is instead good, humane, and sacrificial. I truly see him as the hero we needed but didn't deserve which is what Luke Skywalker was from the very beginning.

SWT guy thinks your Luke is boring more lightsaber swings please.

**** Luke when will Sio Bibble finally get his RO Vader moment!

Communication disruption can mean only one....ARRRGGGG ATTACK!!
 
[*]tossing his lightsabre over this shoulder and then mincing off.

The saber toss is one of the most single hated moments of the ST but I find it completely appropriate in light of how I always imagined Jedi (and Sith) of a certain skill level to behave. Like "get this baby toy out of my face."

Imagine for a moment that there's no PT and in the middle of Luke's Dagobah training with Yoda the Empire lands a troop transport smack dab in the middle of the swamp and Stormtroopers start pouring out. Luke freaks out and gives his saber to Yoda and says "Oh no, save us!" I could *absolutely* see Yoda shaking his head, tossing the saber over his shoulder and saying "Watch and learn, young one," before taking out the Troopers through some completely unconventional and awe-inspiring means. Jedi Master Luke should have been *way* beyond "negotiations with a lightsaber."

Loser masters like the PT Jedi used those. Luke was better than them.

Also Luke's x-wing was functional as shown in the TROS so he should have just gone in person,

I really wish that TROS featured just a super quick montage of Rey reattaching some wiring and inserting some TIE Interceptor parts into Luke's ship to get it working again before she took off. Not only would it have perfectly explained why Luke couldn't previously leave the island but it would have taken her OT hardware knowledge from years of stripping parts on Jakku full circle. So in my head canon that's what she did.

Though even if Luke *could* have left the island I still don't think that his actions on Crait would have been better had he been there in person. He then would have made the duel with Kylo one of violence (with one of them needing to die by the sword in open combat) and it would have lessened the impact of his deeds IMO.
 
The saber toss is one of the most single hated moments of the ST but I find it completely appropriate in light of how I always imagined Jedi (and Sith) of a certain skill level to behave. Like "get this baby toy out of my face."

Imagine for a moment that there's no PT and in the middle of Luke's Dagobah training with Yoda the Empire lands a troop transport smack dab in the middle of the swamp and Stormtroopers start pouring out. Luke freaks out and gives his saber to Yoda and says "Oh no, save us!" I could *absolutely* see Yoda shaking his head, tossing the saber over his shoulder and saying "Watch and learn, young one," before taking out the Troopers through some completely unconventional and awe-inspiring means. Jedi Master Luke should have been *way* beyond "negotiations with a lightsaber."

Loser masters like the PT Jedi used those. Luke was better than them.



I really wish that TROS featured just a super quick montage of Rey reattaching some wiring and inserting some TIE Interceptor parts into Luke's ship to get it working again before she took off. Not only would it have perfectly explained why Luke couldn't previously leave the island but it would have taken her OT hardware knowledge from years of stripping parts on Jakku full circle. So in my head canon that's what she did.

Though even if Luke *could* have left the island I still don't think that his actions on Crait would have been better had he been there in person. He then would have made the duel with Kylo one of violence (with one of them needing to die by the sword in open combat) and it would have lessened the impact of his deeds IMO.

Savage absolutely savage.

Be nice that was just brutal jugular murder.

I warned a-dev I warned them all Khev and Bravo even mocked me like he was a drunk PH lol

Oh well I can't save everyone who doesn't understand SW.

:chase
 
The age of the actors was a huge problem in so many respects - in terms of how far past Return of the Jedi they had to set the movies - thus skipping over so much story and events - and in what they could plausibly have them do in the new movies.

For me the answer was, easiest to say in hindsight of course, don't make an Episode 7-9. Do your Rogue Ones and Solos, something to hook people back into classic Star Wars before you then go off and do your Old Republic trilogies etc.

Worse IMO they couldn't set in far enough ahead, with the premise they established. 30 years from now I won't look back and think of current events/leaders as a "myth".

Bad writing. IMO Mandolorian did it better, just being so far off the grid the Force/Jedi/Sith are barely heard of. Which they could have done with anyone living on Jakku, really. Like modern day, I may HEAR about what rich famous people are doing, but could care less. There aren't any rich people where I live.

It's a small change, but would have been far more believable.

IMO the Mandalorian in general should have stayed in its original corner (like a Rogue One or Solo or Rebels, a lot of the time), well clear of the ST and rehash. Focused on Mandalore, new characters, a light use of old characters, and any appearance of Luke Skywalker should have been kept as an end surprise. It just torpedoed its originality the last 4 episodes. Didn't pick up on it at first, but there's Filoni on the Gallery talking about "we established these characters and something something we can introduce other characters...." uh huh.:ghost

IMO there's hardly been enough done with the introduced characters, and the separation of Mando and Child happened way too fast. Wow, that was difficult. A couple of planet hops, meets a Jedi (doesn't even bother to ask for a name), and that's that:pfft:. Could have sworn Giancarlo had said in interviews we'd get a lot more about Gideon - well, I didn't get enough. 2 seasons in and I haven't got any real feel for his plans or motivation. 2 new characters (Frog Lady and Marshall) vs. old characters (Boba, Luke, Ahsoka, Bo-katan).

If Mandalorian really was gonna be a Rebels sequel from the beginning (heck, Leia manages to show up there, as well as the ever-present, unkillable Ahsoka) wish F&F had been more up front about it. Maybe I expect too much from a show made by old school fans. Maybe the SW world in general is gonna hafta wait for the next generation to really let go and expand the galaxy.
 
I asked this a while back and I don't know if anyone answered.

Chapter 15 The Believer.

Who is the believer? Mayfeld? What does he believe in? I don't get that title.
 
I asked this a while back and I don't know if anyone answered.

Chapter 15 The Believer.

Who is the believer? Mayfeld? What does he believe in? I don't get that title.

Wasn't it the officer that Mayfeld blew away? The one who believed that the cause of the Empire was just and that their methods were heroic?
 
Savage absolutely savage.

Be nice that was just brutal jugular murder.

I warned a-dev I warned them all Khev and Bravo even mocked me like he was a drunk PH lol

Oh well I can't save everyone who doesn't understand SW.

:chase

:lol and lol at drunk PH. :lol

Yep GC just posted a video that she is with you jye and that Bravo was out of line, lol.
 
I asked this a while back and I don't know if anyone answered.

Chapter 15 The Believer.

Who is the believer? Mayfeld? What does he believe in? I don't get that title.

I think it's Mando. He believes in a code. Which he jettisons for the sake of the Child.
 
Wasn't it the officer that Mayfeld blew away? The one who believed that the cause of the Empire was just and that their methods were heroic?

I guess....but he was on screen for like 2 minutes. Weird to name the episode after him.
 
Like I said. There was PT bashing so I replied there. I didn?t reply directly to you. I don?t know what to tell you. Like I mean ..... look at the thread. Again stop acting like you were having a sound argument and all of a sudden PT fans come in and rain on your parade. The reason people always go in on you guys is you constantly bring up points that are silly and should be challenged. So don?t get mad at me for picking apart your arguments when you say silly things like the ST is better written than the PT and the characters had more depth. Of course you?ll have fans call you out
:lol Wait.. So there was PT bashing and you had to come in and defend the PT by slamming the ST but when jye does it you go on the See there you go again.. Defending the ST by bashing the PT.. I don't get it. This is actually kind of funny. You slammed on what you see as a poorly written character in the ST and when Jye points out the poorly written character you always defend in the PT.. Well then its no fair. :lol :lol



How was Jye saying that better written characters would have saved the PT?? Explain that too me.. Without bashing on the ST.

You did no such thing in the other thread.. Try it here.
 
:lol Wait.. So there was PT bashing and you had to come in and defend the PT by slamming the ST but when jye does it you go on the See there you go again.. Defending the ST by bashing the PT.. I don't get it. This is actually kind of funny. You slammed on what you see as a poorly written character in the ST and when Jye points out the poorly written character you always defend in the PT.. Well then its no fair. :lol :lol



How was Jye saying that better written characters would have saved the PT?? Explain that too me.. Without bashing on the ST.

You did no such thing in the other thread.. Try it here.

Padme telling ironwez that jye's take on the PT must be frustrating:



;)
 
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