The Official "The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey" movie thread *SPOILERS*

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Re: The Official "The Hobbit" movie thread

Jackson could have chopped out around 10-15 minutes from the first 30 and it would have been fine.

I'd take out the mountain stone giants scene (not sure why that's even in here) and most of the Goblins and Orc sequences.

Maybe have young Bilbo or Gandalf narrate the Prologue and cut out the Ian Holm and Elijah Wood opening and just start with "Good Morning".

The Dale prologue is far too important to simply get the boot.
 
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My least favorite scene was the touchy-feely interaction between Galadriel and Gandalf. That just seemed forced! And Galadriel disappearing into thin air?? :slap

I do agree that even if the movie had been cut short 20-30 min, it wouldn't have taken away from the overall experience. Not that I minded the extra footage. I loved every moment of it.:D
 
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I'd take out the mountain stone giants scene (not sure why that's even in here) and most of the Goblins and Orc sequences.

Maybe have young Bilbo or Gandalf narrate the Prologue and cut out the Ian Holm and Elijah Wood opening and just start with "Good Morning".

The Dale prologue is far too important to simply get the boot.

I'd also shorten or remove the Radagast stuff.
 
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yeah I also didn't like the mountain giant thing. That was uncessary and silly. So these mountains come alive and then have boxing matches with each other? lol

Also the Goblin stuff started to feel like something from the Star Wars prequels. And the main goblin dude, just reminded me of Boss Nass lol
Also didn't like the voice and the perfect English they were speaking.

The humor about the invention of golf was dumb.

Goblin King reappearing out of nowhere and saying - "thought you could escape huh? What u gonna do now? SLICE. Well,that will do it!"
Silly.
 
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I'd take out the mountain stone giants scene (not sure why that's even in here) and most of the Goblins and Orc stuff.

The stone giant stuff is part of the book and why they end up on the great goblins door step in both.
 
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just came back from the movie and it was amazing IMAX 3D wow
what a great movie.

its feels great to go back to middle earth once more.
my only let down is that it ended.
dammit a hole year to wait for the next one.

A Hobbit hole?


No a rabbit hole. And that's how golf was invented too! :wave
 
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I'd also shorten or remove the Radagast stuff.

Agreed.


I think they could have gotten away with a Bilbo-centric film that focuses primarily on Bilbo as the protagonist. While the appearance of the Witch King and morgul blade and the other connections to LOTR is cool, they're not really needed. Show me Bilbo's adventure, "There and Back Again", the LOTR stuff is for Frodo and we've already seen that.

I also didn't like how they portrayed the Ring. From Bilbo's perspective, this shouldn't be an evil or bad thing, just mysterious. When it falls out of Gollum's pouch, they play that haunting ring music. They should have just showed him finding it as he's feeling around in the dark. Then Gandalf seeing him put it in his pocket looking odd with the Ring music again like this is potentially negative. It shouldn't have those connotations at all.






I don't mind the scenes or how it plays out at all, I quite enjoyed it apart from my critiques (mountains fighting, Goblins, Radagast) but I think there's a better movie to be had if things were trimmed and ideas scrapped. Bilbo is the hero, that should be the primary concern. Then Thorin and his company of rag tag dwarves trying to reclaim their home. That's it. Loved seeing Saruman, the White Council, Weathertop, etc. but they're not really needed or necessary. They seem like the fillers that make this three films instead of two, and are best left in a great extra features companion piece on the blu ray/dvd.
 
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Didn't mind that at all, that's straight from the book, along with Gandalf wanting wine.

Oh ok I didn't know. Then that's ok then.
I Thought it was a new attempt at humor.
Didn't think "golf" and using that word would exist in middle earth lol
 
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This would have been a perfect 10 for me if:

1. Radagast was either shortened or changed entirely
2. Stone giant scene taken out. (just have them cut from looking over Rivendell to them going into the mountain hole, then
have bilbo try to take off and the dwarves end up in the goblin king's layer
3. Less CGI and more real.
4. Shorten the shire sequence.
 
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The stone giant stuff is part of the book and why they end up on the great goblins door step in both.

When I read it, I figured it was figurative speaking for an avalanche of boulders and rocks during a nasty storm, not two, giant mountains boxing each other in the face.

It just doesn't play well at all for me and goes on for too long. You could still have Bilbo in danger, Thorin doubting him, and them going into the cave/Goblin hideaway without two CGI creatures beating each other to a pulp.


In the Fellowship of the Ring, the Moria stair gag worked and there's an exhilarating excitement when Strider and Frodo are on the tilting stair case and join up with the rest of the Fellowship and they descend down the stairs. With the rock giants, I'm not even sure what Jackson and Co. were going for with the scene. Seems like a waste.
 
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Yeah agreed the stone giant scene doesn't really add anything apart from a loud set piece. I'd be happy with them seeing one rock getting hurled from the distance causing them to take shelter or something.
 
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When I read it, I figured it was figurative speaking for an avalanche of boulders and rocks during a nasty storm, not two, giant mountains boxing each other in the face.

It just doesn't play well at all for me and goes on for too long. You could still have Bilbo in danger, Thorin doubting him, and them going into the cave/Goblin hideaway without two CGI creatures beating each other to a pulp.

In the Fellowship of the Ring, the Moria stair gag worked and there's an exhilarating excitement when Strider and Frodo are on the tilting stair case and join up with the rest of the Fellowship and they descend down the stairs. With the rock giants, I'm not even sure what Jackson and Co. were going for with the scene. Seems like a waste.

Nope the text specifically mentions two stone giants having a game of catch. So leaving that out would take away from The Hobbit IMO. We simply disagree on what was added. It was perfect IMO. It did a fantastic job of making a really good story better and does a great job of bringing to two sets of story together. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
 
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It was a little more than "a game of catch".


And I think it's a great story, I just think, film wise they could have made it better by cutting and eliminating things (even things I absolutely love) to fit the narrative and plot better.

To put things in perspective, The Hobbit has a running time of roughly, 2 hours and 40 minutes. This is the ground they cover from Bag End to just outside the Misty Mountains,


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The focus juggles between the main protagonists and outside forces and not much ground is covered. They only get up to Out of the Frying Pan and into the Fire, which is chapter 6 in a relatively smaller book.





With Fellowship of the Ring, it's a 2 hour and 50 minute movie and they cover much more characters and juggle between multiple protagonists (Frodo, Sam, Gandalf, Aragorn, Boromir) and more ground. It's a much tighter film. We go from the Shire all the way to Amon Hen - Emyn Muil. It not only covers all of book 1 and 2 of The Fellowship of the Ring, a much larger book, but we get a glimpse of the beginning of the Two Towers with the death and funeral of Boromir, the capture of Merry and Pippin, Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli hunting the orcs and Frodo and Sam at Emyn Muil.



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There's actually a sense of transition from location to location. From Bag End, to Brandywine, to Bree, to Rivendell, etc. etc. With this Unexpected Journey, it's all over the place.



Not saying it's terrible or anything, I loved it, but I think film wise and thematically, it could have benefited greatly from the things people are suggesting. There's more good than bad, but the bad things are a little annoying when this is the same group of people/collaborators that have worked on this stuff for years.
 
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Excerpt from my digital copy about the stone giants.
“When he peeped out in the lightning-flashes, he saw that across the valley the stone-giants were out, and were hurling rocks at one another for a game, and catching them, and tossing them down into the darkness where they smashed among the trees far below, or splintered into little bits with a bang. Then came a wind and a rain, and the wind whipped the rain and the hail about in every direction, so that an overhanging rock was no protection at all”

Excerpt From: J. R. R. Tolkien. “The Hobbit.” HarperCollins. iBooks.
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I 110% don't agree that the film has anything in it that should have been cut. It for me was a very quick 2 hour 45 min experience, and I look forward to the EE with 20-25 more mins. If people feel it should be trimmed that's fine. We're just different sides of the fence me and these people.
 
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I didn't think they were riding on the stone giants like they were in the movie when I read the book. Just observing them from away and the rocks they're throwing at each other started to hit the area Bilbo and friends were trying to pass. I think it would have been better that way. The scene just cut to them riding on a stone giant out of nowhere and felt a little bit strange to me.

I really loved the movie, though. I enjoyed it thoroughly and had a great time watching it. There was one point where I got a little frustrated and felt like it was going on for too long, but that might be attributed to me being in a bad mood due to smashing into a deer and messing up my car that morning.
 
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