The Order: 1866 (PS4)

[GasparZizou]

I appreciate that.

You got that right about how it can become a choice of style, it's actually a recent opinion I formed, previous to this game's announcement I didn't even consider the issue, but I loved the idea, I don't mean games that are made to run in 30fps by design, of that kind this game would be a 1st, I meant games that have a slow paced gameplay by design, hence 30fps isn't a bother, like Gears of War, most 3rd person shooters and some 1st person shooters that don't require instant quick movement or aiming.

But personally, super-fast framerate on games that don't need it, always felt funny to me.

 

[Furyan]

Any game this creepy looking deserves my attention . Will be buying this.

 

[snappahead]

I didn't know where this 30 fps thing was coming from until I heard that the devs behind The Order we're saying that it was a style choice to make it more film-like. I don't buy it and nobody else seems to be either...except for Gaspar anyways. No offense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXJh9ut2hrc

 

[GasparZizou]

Meh, that's one guy on the other side of the spectrum, I don't expect the concept of 30fps as an aesthetic choice to be grasped by the majority instantly as I don't expect CoD games to stop selling as they do, people will start to question the issue by themselves instead of reacting to the immediate concept of frame-rate = performance-only.

If this game succeeds, it will open the minds of people, if it doesn't, the 30fps deal will probably be discarded and I doubt anyone else gives it another try in the future.

But, ftr: I have seen people supporting the idea on various comment sections, and in fact the 30fps deal for most of those who are waiting this game isn't even an issue.

 

[snappahead]

Meh, that's one guy on the other side of the spectrum, I don't expect the concept of 30fps as an aesthetic choice to be grasped by the majority instantly as I don't expect CoD games to stop selling as they do, people will start to question the issue by themselves instead of reacting to the immediate concept of frame-rate = performance-only.

If this game succeeds, it will open the minds of people, if it doesn't, the 30fps deal will probably be discarded and I doubt anyone else gives it another try in the future.

But, ftr: I have seen people supporting the idea on various comment sections, and in fact the 30fps deal for most of those who are waiting this game isn't even an issue.

This is one person, but he is speaking the same thoughts most have when they hear this. It's a BS excuse that people can see right through. If you choose to buy the excuse, that's your right, but this isn't going to be a new trend or artistic new direction for gaming. It's just a more elaborate excuse for not having a better frame rate. This isn't a question of whether or not the game will be good. It's a first party game, so I'm sure they will do everything they can to make a good game. This is just about a lame excuse and whether or not you believe it. When it comes to gaming, 60 fps is better than 30 fps. It's not a subjective statement, it's just the truth. I get why they came up with this excuse, but it doesn't change the facts about fps.

 

[GasparZizou]

If it's an excuse, it's a pointless excuse given that there are games that are clearly more visually demanding games that will run at 60fps, I say if they really wanted to run it at 60fps, they would do it, it's more reasonable to believe it's an aesthetic choice rather than to jump onto the mindless bandwagon of thinking it's an "excuse".

So, if you want to state this as factual information, provide proof of how demanding this game will be and why the ps4 wouldn't be able to run it at more than 30fps, or even better why this is a case of poor optimization on behalf of the developer team, until then, this is NOT a fact and you thinking it's bs is nothing more than an opinion, period.

And BTW I don't know where you're drawing your reactions from, but in this kotaku article the people supporting the concept is clearly the majority.

https://kotaku.com/the-order-1886-is-30-frames-per-second-and-darn-proud-1524644901/all

 

[MarfMaster]

I can understand 30 fps as an aesthetic choice. My Samsung TV has 'trumotion', which basically ups television and movies from 24-30 fps to 60 fps, and I can't stand it. I never turn it on, it messes with my viewing experience.

 

[snappahead]

If it's an excuse, it's a pointless excuse given that there are games that are clearly more visually demanding games that will run at 60fps, I say if they really wanted to run it at 60fps, they would do it, it's more reasonable to believe it's an aesthetic choice rather than to jump onto the mindless bandwagon of thinking it's an "excuse".

So, if you want to state this as factual information, provide proof of how demanding this game will be and why the ps4 wouldn't be able to run it at more than 30fps, or even better why this is a case of poor optimization on behalf of the developer team, until then, this is NOT a fact and you thinking it's bs is nothing more than an opinion, period.

And BTW I don't know where you're drawing your reactions from, but in this kotaku article the people supporting the concept is clearly the majority.

https://kotaku.com/the-order-1886-is-30-frames-per-second-and-darn-proud-1524644901/all

I don't know enough about game development to say whether or not The Order is less demanding than any other titles out there. I do know that most developers these days have a choice to make on hardware that has limitations like consoles do. Do we make a great looking game that pushes geometry, textures, lighting etc that runs at 30 fps or do we make a few graphical sacrifices to make the game run at 60 fps. They generally choose graphics over frame rate. This case is no different. The only difference is that they're using a creative way to explain this decision and hiding behind a BS line. The film aspect ratio is certainly an artistic choice (unless there's a performance advantage to that I'm unaware of). I don't agree with their choice on that, but at least it seems to be a real choice and not BS.

The fact I stated was that in gaming, 60 fps is better than 30 fps. I don't need to prove that. It's just the truth.

I took a look at the linked page and saw a bunch of people agreeing with me. Not sure what you wanted me to see.

 

[snappahead]

I can understand 30 fps as an aesthetic choice. My Samsung TV has 'trumotion', which basically ups television and movies from 24-30 fps to 60 fps, and I can't stand it. I never turn it on, it messes with my viewing experience.

That's post processing technology and it's crap. Not the same thing as having a game natively operate at a higher fps.

 

[GasparZizou]

Apparently the game was meant to run at 30fps from the beginning of it's development, reinforcing the notion of it being an aesthetic choice.

the 60 over 30 frames is yet another opinion for a given point of view, depending of what they're looking for, it can be the truth or not, given that they're going for the cinematic feel, it's not the truth.

There are plenty of people in that link supporting the notion of 30fps as a choice in style.

 

[snappahead]

Apparently the game was meant to run at 30fps from the beginning of it's development, reinforcing the notion of it being an aesthetic choice.

the 60 over 30 frames is yet another opinion for a given point of view, depending of what they're looking for, it can be the truth or not, given that they're going for the cinematic feel, it's not the truth.

There are plenty of people in that link supporting the notion of 30fps as a choice in style.

Making that call early simply means that they decided early on to sacrifice fps for graphics.

Other than you, I don't know anyone who prefers 30 over 60, so if it's an opinion it's a very popular one. Like I've said, you've chosen to believe their story and that's fine. I disagree and think that The Order would have benefited greatly(like any game) with 60 fps regardless of artistic vision.

There's a few yeah. They support it because they have no choice. If they were given the option of 30 or 60, my guess would be that 30 box would be pretty lonely. I don't blame people for just wanting to play the game or even saying they don't care if it's 30 or 60 because they just want the game and 30 is commonplace on consoles. Expected even. I was there myself for ages. My buddy would complain about the fps and I'd shrug my shoulders. "It is what it is" I'd say...but now we should be beyond that. 60 fps should be standard at this point. 1080p as well. It could be, but developers are afraid to make the necessary sacrifices to the graphics to make that standard. I'm not someone who refuses to play a game running at 30 or anything like that, but this line from the devs reeks of BS. It's not meant to be a personal hit on you if you've taken it that way.

 

[GasparZizou]

Or it means that's the style they were going for, it's more logical to think the latter.

Please don't lump things together, I specifically said in which conditions I prefer 30 fps over 60 fps, and I'm fine with us disagreeing, I only take offense when you patronize me with lines like "you've chosen to eat that bs and that's fiiiiine". :

Then good thing the gamers are not given the choice, the audience doesn't know what it wants, otherwise it wouldn't be the audience, they'd be the artists.

A good half if not more of the comments are supporting towards the decision.

If you really can't grasp the concept of 30fps being more cinematic than anything above, and you immediately label that justification as a lie, then we've reached an impasse and discussing any further will get us nowhere.

 

[pturtle]

I agree, 30 fps makes sense for a game like this because they’re going for a film like experience.

 

[snappahead]

Or it means that's the style they were going for, it's more logical to think the latter.

Please don't lump things together, I specifically said in which conditions I prefer 30 fps over 60 fps, and I'm fine with us disagreeing, I only take offense when you patronize me with lines like "you've chosen to eat that bs and that's fiiiiine". :

Then good thing the gamers are not given the choice, the audience doesn't know what it wants, otherwise it wouldn't be the audience, they'd be the artists.

A good half if not more of the comments are supporting towards the decision.

If you really can't grasp the concept of 30fps being more cinematic than anything above, and you immediately label that justification as a lie, then we've reached an impasse and discussing any further will get us nowhere.

Thankfully, we finally agree on something. An impasse indeed.

 

[Shropt]

Film is 24 fps, TV is 30 fps.

Seems this was the buzzword thing to do at E3 this year. Say that you WANT your game running at an inferior fps to sway the upcoming barrage of non-60 fps hatred.

With each generation of hardware the games will have higher polygon count. With higher polys we get lower fps. Later in the gen they learn to use the hardware fully and get the high poly count along with the high fps. It's the circle of gaming life.

 

[ironwez20]

I love the lupin werewolf. So lanky and creepy looking

 

[iron.jedi83]

this is one of my most anticipated games right now. i went ahead and preordered the premium edition.

 

[Chargersfan57]

I preordered the Premium as well. Can't wait!

 

[hairlesswookiee]

I really want to play this game as well. I'm going to pass on both of the special editions as I'm tired of paying premium prices up front only to see them 75% shortly after release. If I see a collector's edition for cheap I'll pick it up because I want the steel book, but other than that just give me the meat and potatoes.

 

[Fritz]