Well, what if there wasnt a law against murder or rape? Would you feel the same way? Of course there are always things I wish the government wouldn't do. However, I will trust them to do as much right as they can.
Murder and rape are a lot different than "I don't like cigarette smoke so there oughtta be a law against smoking in every building." (Smoking bans, such BS - and I don't even smoke.) There's such a difference that it's insane you'd even try to compare them. You know exactly what I meant. "There oughtta be a law against people who park on the wrong side of the street (or park in front of my house)!" "There oughtta be a law against people who spit their gum onto the sidewalk!" Or one of my favorites, "There oughtta be a law against public protesting in Washington D.C...There's such thing as a time and a place."
There are already laws in place for handguns. They just need to be enforced better and loopholes closed. As I've said there is no sane logical reason to own military grade weapons. I mean if you're cool with folks owning military grade weapons like assault rifles then what about: Grenades, rpgs, C4, etc
I mean check out this site. You're ok with people being able to own this ____? I'm sorry that scares the ____ out of me to think people owning this. I fear gun nuts much more than my government.
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Don't fear the gun nuts, most gun nuts are there to PROTECT YOU against the government encroaching on your freedoms. That, along with teaching responsible gun ownership, is what the NRA is all about.
I don't give a ____ about the words as you're spinning them. I give a ____ about how the actual amendment is put together. Its great we get to use it out of context but sorry the way it was put together was simply to have freedom to be able to talk about our government that is all. There's no reason to go after Michelle Obama she's not a political figure just a wife with kids as far as I'm concerned. You're right its rude but technically its not the way the amendment was meant.
I wasn't going after Michelle Obama. I have nothing against her but I happen to know there is a HUGE smear campaign about her being disrespectful and cynical and angry.
And spinning the words "freedom of speech"? JUST LOOK AT THOSE WORDS. Take them out of the context of the rest of the amendment. I wasn't spinning anything. I know that they wrote it about criticizing government officials and laws, but you honestly think it also doesn't protect our rights to say what we feel we need to say? Were you being unconstitutional when you said, over and over, you don't give a ____ about many of the points I'm bringing up? Should you be fined $10,000 like the FCC loves to do to Howard Stern and ManCow? Cursing is a matter of self-respect and respect for others, not something that should be legally mandated because it's not protected under the first amendment. Do you think this is North Korea or something?
Yeah, I would support that 110%. Many believed and some didn't. You're correct and I agree its not a christian nation but I do believe its a nation of many faiths. I'm not gonna argue about Bush. I didn't vote for him either time.
Well obviously you didn't vote for Bush. Neither did I.
Cell Phones hardly cause any problems. Yes, people talking on them can cause car accidents and they ARE making laws to help prevent people from being dip ____s when driving. So its horrible example and not on the same level as a military grade weapon that again you can't give me a logical sane reason to own. I'm sorry knowing people like you that have these weapons doesn't make me feel safe.
FORGET ABOUT THE FREAKING CELL PHONE EXAMPLE. The cell phone isn't what I was talking about. I was talking about YOUR personal fear or dislike for something giving YOU justification to think it should be banned. There are things everyone hates, but that doesn't mean every little thing people hate should be legally outlawed.
I don't get you anyway. You're SO against "military grade" weapons, but you don't care about handguns or hunting rifles or shotguns. Do you not understand that those evil "military grade" assault rifles are responsible for a very small minority of our gun murder rate? Maybe you would stop nuts like the Columbine kids or the Arizona ********* (you know, the ones the media go to town about) but those crimes are so rare compared to gang crime, rape, burglary, and domestic cases where murder happens via gun. Via handgun, usually.
Thats just wrong that most liberals want to get rid of them. Just not correct. Most folks who can think outside the gun want logical gun laws that protect the masses. Something gun lovers and the NRA don't want.
Can I be honest? I used to be VERY liberal. Very anti-establishment, anti-gun, anti-everything conservative. That's where I based my "most liberals want to get rid of guns" comment on. Because when I was one of them (an ignorant sheep in a flock), I knew I was among many people who agreed guns should be illegal. Then I grew up and I realized guns aren't the problem, it's irresponsible and crazy people who pick up those guns that are the problem. I swung big time from liberal, and now I'm somewhere in the middle, can't pigeon-hole me anymore.
There are so many gun laws already, and I know your argument is "well there's loopholes.." even though you have yet to name one of them.
My bias is because there is no safe, sane, logical reason for you to own a military grade weapon. As I said earlier if we keep letting people own those why not nukes, dirty bombs, C4, grenades, etc. Nope, thats not me at all. I'm very much a moderate. I have a strong faith but if I was in charge I wouldn't govern by it.
All right, now you're really going Michael Moore on me. Why not nukes? Why do you think? You accuse me of jargon and now you're throwing weapons of mass destruction at me?
And yeah, sure, you're not basing any of this on your strong faith. It's just a strong personal bias against ONE specific type of weapon that I'm sure has done no real harm to you or anyone you know personally. That's not something religious people do at all.
I would have no problem if they made marijuana legal. None at all. Other drugs is a whole different story just because of the harm that can be done with them.
Alcohol kills more people than cocaine. If alcohol and cigarettes are legal, so should the rest of that crap be. I don't care if you're a boozer, pothead, LSD junkee, whatever is your poison, put whatever you want into your body. Just stay out of my home. If this WAS TRULY a free country, people should be able to do anything they want to themselves as long as they do not hurt others. But that's a whole different topic altogether.
I don't think people should own semi-autos either. Again for the same reasons. People are gonna get pissed cause you have a lot of people who worship at the alter of the gun a little too hard. If you dont like our government you can always leave. Just saying. Go live in Iran and see if you like it there.
Okay can we make something clear here? NOBODY "worships" guns. Nobody sets up "alters" (altars?) and prays to them. That is something you keep saying that is getting very irritating. Guns are not omnipotent beings worthy of prayer. They're inanimate objects. That's just silly to claim people worship their guns.
And maybe it's YOU who should move. Go to Canada or something. Because there are SO MANY scary guns here in the States, and laws to protect the owners of those guns, the scary demonic people that we are. Guns are legal in Canada too but they don't make a big to-do about it like in the US. I think most people reading this thread feel you're the unpatriotic one in this debate, not me.
Basically, people owning assault or other military grade weapons doesn't make me feel safe. It scares me that people own this ____. Its been fun but at this point we're going in circles. I respect your right to feel that way. Until the time comes when things change I guess we deal with things as they are.
Well you can just lay in bed with the covers over your head and shiver there for the rest of your life if you're so scared to death of your fellow Americans. I don't think things are going to change anytime soon.
Yes, we are going in circles, but I'm not the one repeating the same thing over and over. And you don't get the last word.
"Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state. "
~Thomas Jefferson
