The Walking Dead - TV Series on AMC ( Comic and Un-aired Spoilers unwelcome!)

[devilof76]

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I think Glen was talking about Rick, and that's it. He's surprised she hasn't told him because he's not aware of how powerful a reason she has to not tell him, which suggests the relationship was not so public (but Dale is a bit sharper than the rest of the group so, of course, he knew).

Rick's return did not create much of a stir in the camp. People can assume, but unless they know for sure, they don't have a leg to stand on, and usually, they know it.

 

[Mister Ski]

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Let me just say this - if the writer's are creating a group of adults that would be surprised by the fact that Shane and Lori were having sex, I'd say that was bad writing. It's wildly unrealistic.

Why would Lori and Shane be keeping it from the rest of the group? Not because of the group, but because of Carl - and themselves. No one in the group would judge them, since none of them even know Rick and all assume he's dead. But they'd feel the guilt nonetheless, and if others knew, the guilt would be worse. So they hide it.

But in the real world, adults aren't that stupid. In fact, it usually goes the other way, with most people assuming even good friends of the opposite sex are sleeping together - or could, if the circumstances were right.

Last night, they showed us a brief moment of them together before Rick was back. And what did Sophie, a child, call Shane? Carl's dad - what do you think the adults would be assuming?

So by your reasoning, Dale must have been nailing both Andrea and Amy since they were very close and sleeping in the camper together. Heck, maybe he would pop some Viagra and have both at the same time. Don't go to the comic book for your response because I think we all know that their (Dale and Andrea) relationship is very different from the book - so far.

I think Glen was talking about Rick, and that's it. He's surprised she hasn't told him because he's not aware of how powerful a reason she has to not tell him, which suggests the relationship was not so public (but Dale is a bit sharper than the rest of the group so, of course, he knew).

Rick's return did not create much of a stir in the camp. People can assume, but unless they know for sure, they don't have a leg to stand on, and usually, they know it.

Agreed. Dale is the only one who might strongly suspect.

 

[Michael Crawford]

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Uh...I might be misremembering, but didn't Sophie's mom make comments about Dale, Andrea and Amy last season? And this isn't about them actually having sex - it's about what the other adults think is going on. And yes, I think you'd have to be a pretty juvenile person to think that Shane and Lori, traveling together with a child and very, very clearly close to each other, were not having sex. Even Sophie assumed it when she first met them in her own way by assuming Shane was Carl's father, and Shane and Lori would have to convince the adult's it wasn't happening for them to not think it - it would be the most obvious assumption.

Now, it's possible that the writer's will create a situation where the adults are surprised, but like I said - I classify that as bad writing.

 

[thenammagazine]

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Youre just mad because the only guns youve got shoot plastic BBs. Get a real piece like real men do and stop rolling around in the grass with other over the hill military wannabes pretending to be special forces.

That's the best you've got? Especially after my step-by-step breakdown of swapping the charging handle on the SCAR (for the lowbrows, airsoft guns don't break down like real ones) in the gun thread, huh? Just goes to show, your best still ain't good enough. But to quote your evening catch phrase, "Thank you, drive thru!"

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Anyone else think they might be setting up the Carl shoots Shane storyline with the flashback where Sophia tells Carl she thinks his dad is nice and Carl says he isn't my dad?

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This is the very reason Shane and Lori hid the relationship from Carl. Nobody wants to hurt him and it's doubtful he'd understand the hook-up happening as soon as it did, if even at all. I don't doubt for a second that all the other adults with even half a whit wouldn't not see that the two of them were an item. Andrea didn't even act surprised when she stumbled onto their lover's quarrel at the church. And Glenn's "Jesus, you haven't told him yet," was moreso referring to Rick knowing about Shane because he already knew Lori wanted the EPT kept private - which one would assume equates to the pregnancy as well. Just curious, but do you also play devil's advocate when Clark Kent or Peter Parker are never around when Superman and Spider-Man appear? Do you have to see them physically changing clothes to get the hint?

 

[devilof76]

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What's throwing me off is that no one acts like there's anything amiss, but I suppose that's because they have more important things to do than minding Lori's business. It does make a lot more sense that everyone knows except for Rick, but it's hard to process the fact that everyone is not thinking WTF? at top volume to themselves.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

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The characters are really sellling this show for me, i just hope the main cop guy gets a good punch on his buddy soon when he sees how he really is.

it's not a punch that I'm wanting

 

[thenammagazine]

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What's throwing me off is that no one acts like there's anything amiss, but I suppose that's because they have more important things to do than minding Lori's business. It does make a lot more sense that everyone knows except for Rick, but it's hard to process the fact that everyone is not thinking WTF? at top volume to themselves.

I would see it as nothing more than being respectful of the situation.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

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What's throwing me off is that no one acts like there's anything amiss, but I suppose that's because they have more important things to do than minding Lori's business. It does make a lot more sense that everyone knows except for Rick, but it's hard to process the fact that everyone is not thinking WTF? at top volume to themselves.

I think it's the fact that the other people in the group believe it isn't their call to drop a bomb like that

 

[Mister Ski]

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What's throwing me off is that no one acts like there's anything amiss, but I suppose that's because they have more important things to do than minding Lori's business. It does make a lot more sense that everyone knows except for Rick, but it's hard to process the fact that everyone is not thinking WTF? at top volume to themselves.

Agreed.

I have never said that everyone absolutely doesn't know about Shane and Lori's relationship. I just don't know how anyone can say that everyone absolutely does know about it. It is pure speculation at this point. I readily understand all the reasons why they would continue to hide it from Carl but that still doesn't preclude that everyone else knows. Like Devil says, when Rick came walking back to camp, why wasn't everyone a little more shocked at his reappearance and what it would mean for Lori and Shane's relationship? None of them seemed to cared at all when he showed up except Carl, Lori and Shane.

 

[thenammagazine]

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Agreed.

I have never said that everyone absolutely doesn't know about Shane and Lori's relationship. I just don't know how anyone can say that everyone absolutely does know about it. It is pure speculation at this point. I readily understand all the reasons why they would continue to hide it from Carl but that still doesn't preclude that everyone else knows. Like Devil says, when Rick came walking back to camp, why wasn't everyone a little more shocked at his reappearance and what it would mean for Lori and Shane's relationship? None of them seemed to cared at all when he showed up except Carl, Lori and Shane.

From Kirkman:

Q: Will Rick start to clue in to what's going on with the tension between Lori and Shane?

Kirkman: Yeah, definitely. The thing is: We never want our main character to seem like he's stupid. That's not something we ever want to do. The audience has been aware of this affair since the very beginning of the show. Rick is a police officer, so I would suspect that he might start catching on to things sooner rather than later.
https://www.tvguide.com/News/Walking-Deads-Robert-1039428.aspx

I don't think it's hard to see that this same logic applies to the rest of the main cast. Even Daryl Dixon, portrayed as the dumb hillbilly in the beginning has been showing signs of being a smarter character than the stereotype he began as. Again, Andrea didn't flip out about the lover's quarrel she stumbled upon. And Glenn's clearly not an idiot and able to understand the circumstances over the pregnancy test, which leads us to believe his comment, "Jesus, you haven't told him yet?" was about her relationship with Shane, not about the pregnancy - which we already know she expected him to keep quiet about.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

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I just don't see how you and Nam can be 100% convinced that everyone knows about Shane and Lori's relationship. There is no evidence to support your statement, just speculation. The "PDA" you reference was not witnessed by anyone in the current group and it occurred during a horrific event. If everyone knows about their relationship, then why hide it and keep sneaking off? To keep it from Carl? Then why not go to Carol and ask her to watch him for the 5-10 minutes so they can go get the freak on since everyone already knows about it anyway. Doesn't this also make Shane and Lori really stupid because here they are sneaking off and thinking they are fooling everyone, but everyone really does?

Also, why didn't anyone tell Rick yet? It is clear that he is their leader and they look up and respect him. Do you think they are all lying and keeping this from him deliberately? It is possible, but then Rick is going to feel like a complete fool and be really pissed at all these people who he has been protecting and they repay that by lying to him all along. I just don't see that happening.

I still think they are keeping the baby's father ID vague on purpose, so that there is an element of surprise when the reveal happens. Why would Glenn say, "You haven't told him?" He could have easily said Shane or Rick since both were out of earshot. I also think the baby will be Shane's because that adds so much drama to Rick, Lori and Shane's storylines - but I think everyone else is going to be surprised when the father of the baby is revealed. I think Jenner whispered in Rick's ear that Lori was pregnant and Rick probably did some quick math and suspects that he can't be the father, so I think when Lori fesses up to Rick, he will already "know" that Shane is the father.

I also think we are spending way too much time analyzing this.

Shifting gears a little...

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Anyone else think they might be setting up the Carl shoots Shane storyline with the flashback where Sophia tells Carl she thinks his dad is nice and Carl says he isn't my dad?

Agreed!

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I think that may play into it later on in the show when/if it happens.

 

[Mister Ski]

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I'm done with the topic of Shane/Lori/Rick. I'll have no problem admitting I was wrong if it turns out everyone knew about it or going if it turns out they didn't know.

I am now off to investigate this Peter Parker/Spiderman issue more.

 

[Kai]

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What ever happened to the father and son that helped Rick from the first season? I don't recall any info on them ever popping up (unless I just missed it?).

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

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What ever happened to the father and son that helped Rick from the first season? I don't recall any info on them ever popping up (unless I just missed it?).

they're still alive

 

[thenammagazine]

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they're still alive

DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE COMICS. PIX, THIS MEANS YOU!!!

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At least one of them is. Remember, the dad wanders into the camp sometime later having left his zombified boy chained up in the house. /o/

 

[316what]

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I think Jenner whispered in Rick's ear that Lori was pregnant and Rick probably did some quick math and suspects that he can't be the father, so I think when Lori fesses up to Rick, he will already "know" that Shane is the father.

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I think that Jenner told Rick that everyone is already infected and the "plague" manifests when they die.

 

[Mister Ski]

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I think that Jenner told Rick that everyone is already infected and the "plague" manifests when they die.

That is entirely possible too if they decide to go that route with the disease.

 

[thenammagazine]

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I think that Jenner told Rick that everyone is already infected and the "plague" manifests when they die.

That would be too obvious though, don't ya think? Everybody is already shooting people in the head when they die, bite or not.

 

[Mister Ski]

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That would be too obvious though, don't ya think? Everybody is already shooting people in the head when they die, bite or not.

What do you mean by too obvious? Aahhh, just kidding.

 

[Darth_Fatso]

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It seems like he whispered for quite awhile just to simply tell Rick Lori is pregnant though.