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Re: The Walking Dead - TV Series on AMC

I prefer the flashbacks they use as openers that involve the characters. The Darabont thing would no doubt be cool but I'd leave that as a webisode thing like they did with the chick zombie this year.
 
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Well, did you read what the actual thing was? They did have the characters in the episode. We follow them before they knew each other.

Dear Eric,

Sure, I’ll confirm that storyline. Why not? Big caveat here though:

CraveOnline is much mistaken in saying this was for a “web series.” This was never meant as a web gimmick, this was intended for use in the actual TV series. I wanted to kick off the 2nd season with the flashback episode Sam describes, which would have followed a squad of Army Rangers getting trapped in the city and trying to survive as Atlanta falls. 



The idea was to do this with a very focused “you are there” documentary feel. Not going all shaky-cam, but still making it a bit rawer and grainier than the rest of the show. We’d start with a squad of maybe seven or eight soldiers being dropped into the city by chopper. They have map coordinates they need to get to; they’ve been told to report to a certain place to provide reinforcement. It’s not a special mission, it’s basically a housekeeping measure putting more boots on the ground to reinforce key intersections and installations throughout the city. And we follow this group from the moment the copter sets them down. All they have to do is travel maybe a dozen blocks, a simple journey, but what starts as a no-brainer scenario goes from “the city is being secured” to “holy ____, we’ve lost control, the world is ending.” Our squad gets blocked at every turn and are soon just trying to survive. I wanted to do a really tense, character-driven ensemble story as communications break down, supply lines are lost, escape routes are cut off, morale falls apart, leadership unravels, mutinies heat up, etc. (Yes, this approach owes a spiritual debt to a number of great films, including Walter Hill’s Southern Comfort.)

Along the way, I thought we could briefly dovetail this story with a few established characters from the show. Not to overdo that, mind you, because it could get silly and too coincidental if you load too much into that idea. But I thought it would be great to veer off on a quick narrative detour that brushes our soldiers briefly up against some people we know. Picture our squad arriving at a manned barricade where some civilians are being held back from leaving the city on shoot-to-kill orders to stop the spread of contagion, it’s a panicked high-intensity scene, and in this crowd of desperate people we find Andrea and Amy. The barricade gunners panic, the civilians start to get mowed down by machine gun fire, and in this melee the girls get pulled to safety by some old guy they don’t even know. It’s Dale. He’s nobody to them, just some guy who saw the opportunity to do the right thing and reacted in the moment. This would have been perhaps a minute or two of the episode, just a cool detour like the various outposts the soldiers encounter in Saving Private Ryan, but we would have witnessed the moment that Dale meets Andrea and Amy, seen where that relationship began. I also felt it would be a great way to get Emma Bell back into the series for a moment, because she was so wonderful and we were all so sorry that her character died and she had to leave the show. (Of course if this “brush with established characters” idea didn’t work in the script stage, I’d have tossed it out. You try a lot of ideas like that as you go, see how they play. But I thought this one stood a pretty good chance of being engineered to work well.) 



So the story follows these soldiers through hell as the city falls apart and the squad implodes, with Sam’s soldier being the main character and the moral center of the group. He becomes the last survivor of the squad, and he finally gets to the map coordinates they’ve been trying to get to from the start: it’s the barricade at the Atlanta courthouse intersection from the pilot where Rick later finds the tank. The soldier is still alive when he gets there, but he’s been bitten. He’s accomplished his “simple” mission, but he’s gone through seven kinds of hell to do it (including being forced to frag his squad leader), and now he’s dying. And he crawls off into the tank just to get off the street and under cover. As his fever builds and the poor guy starts to hallucinate, he pulls his last grenade and considers ending his life. He sets the grenade down on that shelf for a moment to reflect on all the ____ and misery that brought him to this sad end-point of his life, and to dredge up the courage to pull the pin...but before he can act, the fever burns him out and he dies. 



The kicker comes in the last moments of this episode:



After the soldier dies this squalid, lonely death...and after a quiet lapse of time...we do a shot-for-shot reprise from the first episode of the first season: Rick comes scrambling into the tank to escape the horde...blows that zombie soldier’s brains out...now Rick’s trapped...fade out...the end.



The notion was to take the “throwaway” tank zombie Rick encountered in the pilot, and tell that soldier’s story. Make him the star of his own movie, follow his journey, but don’t reveal who he is until the end. The idea being that every zombie has a story, every undead extra was once a human being with a life of his/her own...was, in a sense, the star of his own life’s movie. And we’ve followed this one particular guy and seen how his life ended; we witness his struggles, see his good intentions and his failures, and we experience his godawful death in this tank. That’s why I cast Sam as that tank zombie in the first place instead of just casting some extra. I had this story in mind while filming the pilot, and I knew I’d need a superb actor to play that soldier when the time came.



And then starting with Episode 202, we’d be back with Rick’s group and back in step with the flow of the established story from last season.

I always had in mind to throw in a “wild-card” episode every season, maybe as a season opener or closer. Just a separate story more in the feel of an anthology series, one that appears completely off the track of the regular series but actually does wind up tying in somehow by the fade-out. They did that sort of thing on LOST on occasion, and I really respected it. It always seemed like a bold choice that trusted the audience and rewarded their loyalty with a totally unexpected surprise episode every so often.

That’s it from me. I hope things are well on your end.

Best,

Frank

Sounds amazing to me. Makes the story seem bigger then what it is.
 
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But you could do that for every zombie in the show, and if the writer was worth a damn, it would be amazing. A couple minutes here and there of those kinds of flashbacks is alright, but I'm not interested in whole episodes diverted to fleshing out characters who have nothing to do with the main arc. Fan fiction written by directors is still fan fiction.
 
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What? That doesn't make any sense.

Everyone seemed to turn on Frank all of a sudden.

If this became an episode, i'm sure everyone would love it.
 
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That would have sucked. The great thing about TWD is how it manages to be about the characters. What he wrote would have veered far away from that.
 
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I would have liked it. I've enjoyed all of the flashback stuff to earlier on in the epidemic.
 
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What? That doesn't make any sense.

Everyone seemed to turn on Frank all of a sudden.

If this became an episode, i'm sure everyone would love it.

Just because I don't agree with or like something Frank wanted to do, doesn't mean I am turning on him. The guy is human and can make mistakes, just like the rest of us. IMO, this would have been a mistake that would have messed up the pacing of the show.
 
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Just because I don't agree with or like something Frank wanted to do, doesn't mean I am turning on him. The guy is human and can make mistakes, just like the rest of us. IMO, this would have been a mistake that would have messed up the pacing of the show.

I disagree. :peace

At the end of S1 the group is seen leaving the CDC and heading into an unkown future.

If Frank's story had started S2 we wouldn't have lost much and gained a little more insight as to what happened in Atlanta.

I just think it would have been cool to see.
 
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I disagree. :peace

At the end of S1 the group is seen leaving the CDC and heading into an unkown future.

If Frank's story had started S2 we wouldn't have lost much and gained a little more insight as to what happened in Atlanta.

I just think it would have been cool to see.

Nah, if Frank had any intentions of utilizing that to it's full effect, he would've ditched the little girl zombie scene in the premiere and used that as the intro instead, ending it with Rick in the tank and having the second episode pick up with Rick and be a flashback to how Rick got there. It's a now-or-later and wouldn't really have worked so far removed from where it initially happens story-wise. But garbage like that would've opened the door to backstories for everybody, including the people who aren't really necessary to the core of the story.
 
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I disagree. :peace

At the end of S1 the group is seen leaving the CDC and heading into an unkown future.

If Frank's story had started S2 we wouldn't have lost much and gained a little more insight as to what happened in Atlanta.

I just think it would have been cool to see.

You're dead to me.:lol

I agree it would be cool to see as long as it didn't mess up the pacing of the show, which IMO it would have. The S2 premier picked up right where the S1 finale left off. To go back in time to a random zombie person we never met and see their backstory would have been completely out of left field and a filler episode as we already know the end result. I am all for zombie back stories, just keep them as webisodes like bicycle girl.

Nah, if Frank had any intentions of utilizing that to it's full effect, he would've ditched the little girl zombie scene in the premiere and used that as the intro instead, ending it with Rick in the tank and having the second episode pick up with Rick and be a flashback to how Rick got there. It's a now-or-later and wouldn't really have worked so far removed from where it initially happens story-wise. But garbage like that would've opened the door to backstories for everybody, including the people who aren't really necessary to the core of the story.

:exactly::goodpost:
 
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Nah, if Frank had any intentions of utilizing that to it's full effect, he would've ditched the little girl zombie scene in the premiere and used that as the intro instead, ending it with Rick in the tank and having the second episode pick up with Rick and be a flashback to how Rick got there. It's a now-or-later and wouldn't really have worked so far removed from where it initially happens story-wise. But garbage like that would've opened the door to backstories for everybody, including the people who aren't really necessary to the core of the story.

You don't know that for sure and now we'll never know. So all this speculation is moot.

As for it being garbage, that's just an opinion and just because a few don't like it doesn't mean it was a bad idea.

On the same token just because a few do like the idea doesn't mean it would've worked. :peace
 
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You don't know that for sure and now we'll never know. So all this speculation is moot.

Not really speculation. You castrate all the progress of the story by reverting back to a point where nothing really significant happened that the audience doesn't already know about, just to "tell something cool." Can you imagine if Season 2 had opened with the bicycle zombie's backstory? If The Walking Dead was comprised of vignettes of all the zombies they encounter, not only would the main story never get anywhere, but the series would lack the depth of the comic with an overall plot shallower than a kiddie pool.

As for it being garbage, that's just an opinion and just because a few don't like it doesn't mean it was a bad idea.

The idea isn't garbage. Hindering story progression for a quick thrill, is. Doing that multiple times, and you'll wind up with something convoluted and not even remotely entertaining as far as drama's concerned. 1000 Ways To Die anybody? :lol

On the same token just because a few do like the idea doesn't mean it would've worked. :peace

It would've worked beautifully as another webisode, filler between seasons or like now, season breaks, or even bonus content exclusively for the DVD/BR release. So the idea does work, just not in the context of a weekly show so far removed from the epilogue of the pilot, where said content is relevant. :lol

Then again, Darabont is known for tantrums and this could just be some made-up ____ to stick it to AMC stemming from bitterness about being removed from the project. :huh
 
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:nana: Right here. :wave

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I'm surprised how good the show has been without Darabont.

However I still would've have preferred Darabont's story over the current one. I really admire Darabont's work and he should've been with Walking Dead till the end.

Some of you are complaining his season 2 opener would open the door for more back stories to be told, which may be unnecessary. Well I think Frank was thinking in the long run, if the show ends up being as successful as its proven to be....then why the hell not tell some more character back stories and in doing so tell the backstory of what has happened to the world (e.g. soldier and Atlanta). Especially if it looks like your gonna get a minimum of three seasons.

I personally would like to know what happened to Atlanta anyways, obviously it got overrun with zombies...but what exactly happened? Atlanta was suppose to be a safe zone.

Instead we're chilling on the farm all season.
 
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I'm surprised how good the show has been without Darabont.

However I still would've have preferred Darabont's story over the current one. I really admire Darabont's work and he should've been with Walking Dead till the end.

Some of you are complaining his season 2 opener would open the door for more back stories to be told, which may be unnecessary. Well I think Frank was thinking in the long run, if the show ends up being as successful as its proven to be....then why the hell not tell some more character back stories and in doing so tell the backstory of what has happened to the world (e.g. soldier and Atlanta). Especially if it looks like your gonna get a minimum of three seasons.

I personally would like to know what happened to Atlanta anyways, obviously it got overrun with zombies...but what exactly happened? Atlanta was suppose to be a safe zone.

Instead we're chilling on the farm all season.

They could spin off a whole different show to cover these questions. They could have Walking Dead shows for countless major cities in the US like Walking Dead - Boston. :drool

Let the fan fiction begin.
 
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They could spin off a whole different show to cover these questions. They could have Walking Dead shows for countless major cities in the US like Walking Dead - Boston. :drool

Let the fan fiction begin.

Haha, it could be the next 'CSI' in terms of spin-offs.
 
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