The Walking Dead - TV Series on AMC ( Comic and Un-aired Spoilers unwelcome!)

[ali032373]

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Im only being slightly sarcastic.

I agree Dale can do more, but i think being a decent human being is a good thing in these times. He's well intentioned and has never had beef with anyone beyond shane. But shane has beef with just about everyone. i think we're learning that just because some is a gun carrier doesnt mean theyre good for the group. I'll take dale over the 2 a-holes rick gunned down any day.

 

[barryo]

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how can you hate on TheDale?..............he rocks that floppy fishing hat like no body's business.............

besides............he is probably going to be the catalyst that splits shane & his followers from the group when shane either beats the hell out of or kills him.............

though i hope TheDale gets at least one shot at shane as that happens. prolly not though........

 

[ali032373]

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Also, lets ask the blonde woman (her name eludes at the moment) how valuable dale is.

 

[Michael Crawford]

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Actually, Dale's value is obvious - it's to the writers as the person who knows what kind of man Shane really is. Let's not forget this isn't real life - it's a show, and the characters value lies in what they can add to the storyline, not what they add to a real life situation.

It will be interesting to see what happens with Hershel's group. I didn't even realize there were two blondes other than Otis' wife. That means there are four women and one guy that I expect will either die or decide to come with (Maggie) Rick's group. That provides a few red shirts for any sort of upcoming battle. No way Hershel will live to the end of the season...

And as lame as Lori's accident was, I'm thinking it was an excuse for the writers so they could drag things out at the farm for at least three more hours. Now with Lori hurt, Herschel won't be able to kick them off the farm quite so fast.

 

[neo]

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No one here read the books?
Becaue I think that it will follow what happen in it

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

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No one here read the books?
Becaue I think that it will follow what happen in it

 

[Johnny Utah]

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The books are some of the most addictive and shocking works of fiction I've ever read. Real edge of your seat stuff. Tv Rick took a page out of comic Rick's book this week.

 

[Mister Ski]

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Yes some do. Andrea needed a slap upside the head for the longest time. Carol could use a companion of some sort, Daryl isn't what she needs.

Not sure if Ali is being sarcastic but yes, he has tools and an RV to help transport the group. If he doesn't contribute to killing walkers he doesn't need to, there are plenty of killers already.

Aside from losing Merle's cuff keys what has T-Dog done that's so commendable? Everyone has their part, don't blame Dale for being too old. If you're not a walker being human is a good enough reason to be left apart of the group.

Plus don't forget Shane has been taking his personal problems out on the group too. Personal problems that don't pertain to their survival. He's getting to the boiling point and it won't be good.

Andrea has almost nothing to do with Dale nowadays as she has made it clear she doesn't need him as she is now taking care of herself more and becoming a stronger more productive part of the group.

As far as Carol goes, I think you found the perfect plot device to get rid of all the dead weight on the show. Dale and Carol can take the RV and go riding off into the zombie sunset.

T-Dawg has gone on runs into Atlanta to scavenge for supplies. He has learned how to shoot a gun and was teaching Herchel's people how to defend themselves. He took part in the barn shoot out and helped pick up the bodies, dig the graves and burn the rest.

I think the reason I don't care for Dale is because the writers have gone to an extreme to show that Dale is the most humane of the group by having him do nothing substantial and never partaking in defending the group. He doesn't ever get his hands dirty or do any kind of manual labor.

Don't get me wrong, I am no fan of Shane either (I am a Rick person) but at least his actions are helping keep the group safe. Dale wants to hide their guns?? That is absolutely crazy and to do it without telling anyone (especially Rick) was a stupid and foolish thing to do. If he wants to maintain his humanity and not try to defend himself that is completely his choice. When he starts making that choice for others in the group - that is when he becomes a problem in my eyes. I can see Rick and Dale disagreeing more in the future as Rick adopts a more practical and pragmatic view towards the walkers.

 

[CelticPredator]

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I only have issues with Dale now. Because he needs to stop hounding Shane. You don't antagonize someone like that. It could be his end.

 

[BuddyGus]

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I think Dale has a solid role in the group. He does pull a lot of guard duty.


On a serious note though, I think his role in the group is sort of similar to a Chaplin's role in a combat unit. Moral strengh and support. He is blazing away and getting knee deep in the fight, but he helps those who do deal with issues that bother them.

At the end of the day, a person will do what ever it takes to survive, for the most part. But, they normally need someone to help them cope and deal with the emotional aftermath.

ala Dale.

Shane is the exception to this. He has gone completely off the reservation.

 

[316what]

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Help me understand his usefulness. Yes, he is old and as such can be looked at as a father figure but is that what anyone in the group needs?

Shane put it perfectly: when I need a radiator hose I'll call you.

Aside from losing Merle's cuff keys what has T-Dog done that's so commendable?

Someone has to dig holes and take out the "trash" lol.

 

[ali032373]

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It's not just about who can shoot or dig graves. Other tasks need to be accomplished for the group- food prep, clean up, laundry, etc. And actually, someone does need to keep lookout.

Dale didnt see the herd on the highway because that was how it was written. Really, anyone could have seen that slow moving mass literally miles away.

 

[Voorhees27]

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Andrea has almost nothing to do with Dale nowadays as she has made it clear she doesn't need him as she is now taking care of herself more and becoming a stronger more productive part of the group.

As far as Carol goes, I think you found the perfect plot device to get rid of all the dead weight on the show. Dale and Carol can take the RV and go riding off into the zombie sunset.

T-Dawg has gone on runs into Atlanta to scavenge for supplies. He has learned how to shoot a gun and was teaching Herchel's people how to defend themselves. He took part in the barn shoot out and helped pick up the bodies, dig the graves and burn the rest.

I think the reason I don't care for Dale is because the writers have gone to an extreme to show that Dale is the most humane of the group by having him do nothing substantial and never partaking in defending the group. He doesn't ever get his hands dirty or do any kind of manual labor.

Don't get me wrong, I am no fan of Shane either (I am a Rick person) but at least his actions are helping keep the group safe. Dale wants to hide their guns?? That is absolutely crazy and to do it without telling anyone (especially Rick) was a stupid and foolish thing to do. If he wants to maintain his humanity and not try to defend himself that is completely his choice. When he starts making that choice for others in the group - that is when he becomes a problem in my eyes. I can see Rick and Dale disagreeing more in the future as Rick adopts a more practical and pragmatic view towards the walkers.

Well we agree on one thing, we're both Rick people.

You do make some good points though, mister. I can respect that.

I only have issues with Dale now. Because he needs to stop hounding Shane. You don't antagonize someone like that. It could be his end.

This is a very good point.

I think Dale has a solid role in the group. He does pull a lot of guard duty.


On a serious note though, I think his role in the group is sort of similar to a Chaplin's role in a combat unit. Moral strengh and support. He is blazing away and getting knee deep in the fight, but he helps those who do deal with issues that bother them.

At the end of the day, a person will do what ever it takes to survive, for the most part. But, they normally need someone to help them cope and deal with the emotional aftermath.

ala Dale.

Shane is the exception to this. He has gone completely off the reservation.

Well said imo.

 

[Mister Ski]

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I think Dale has a solid role in the group. He does pull a lot of guard duty.


On a serious note though, I think his role in the group is sort of similar to a Chaplin's role in a combat unit. Moral strengh and support. He is blazing away and getting knee deep in the fight, but he helps those who do deal with issues that bother them.

At the end of the day, a person will do what ever it takes to survive, for the most part. But, they normally need someone to help them cope and deal with the emotional aftermath.

ala Dale.

Shane is the exception to this. He has gone completely off the reservation.

I can see the chaplain parallel with the exception that the chaplain doesn't try and take away the soldiers guns when they are in the middle of a battle.

It's not just about who can shoot or dig graves. Other tasks need to be accomplished for the group- food prep, clean up, laundry, etc. And actually, someone does need to keep lookout.

Dale didnt see the herd on the highway because that was how it was written. Really, anyone could have seen that slow moving mass literally miles away.

Except Dale has been shown doing none of those things you mention. The women in the group have been shown cooking and doing laundry etc. Dale is the lookout no more, no less (and not a very good one at that IMO).

Well we agree on one thing, we're both Rick people.

You do make some good points though, mister. I can respect that.

I respect your viewpoints too. Fellow Rick people unite!

What I love about this show is that there is no clear cut "good" guy or "bad" guy. It mainly comes down to who you relate to the most. I tend to relate to Rick the most, although I wish I could be a little more like a Daryl too. I can see where someone like a Dale is coming from, but the world has changed and you need to change with it in order to survive. That doesn't mean doing whatever is necessary to survive (ala Shane), but it also doesn't mean living your life as though nothing has changed either (ala Dale). There is a middle ground there and I think someone like Rick will be able to find it.

You need to surround yourself with people you can trust. I would trust Shane to have my back in a fight, but I wouldn't trust him to have my best interests at heart, while I would trust Dale as someone who would have my best interests at heart but would not have my back in a fight (I seriously don't think he is capable of shooting a walker at this point). When push comes to shove, I would rather be alive with no one looking after my best interests, than dead with someone looking after my best interests. Survival instinct at its most basic for me.

P.S. - I'm still waiting for devil and Nam to come in here and add their input.

 

[BuddyGus]

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I agree with you on that, Mister Ski. Being that this isn't a normal battle field. On real battle fields guys like Shane get identified and sent packing, for the most part.

I am a Rick guy, through and through. But, I see the value in having a guy like Dale around. Not everyone is a tried and true hero like Rick. Shane is a hammer, a fighter, a survivor in the most brutal sense. He lacks a moral compass at this point and that makes him dangerous. Dale is a port in the storm, so to speak, for people seeking advice (Glenn, Rick, Lori, and even Shane to a point). Should survival and recovery ever be a real possibility, guys like Dale and Hershel will be extrememly valuable for life lessons and personal history's sake.

 

[Mister Ski]

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I agree with you on that, Mister Ski. Being that this isn't a normal battle field. On real battle fields guys like Shane get identified and sent packing, for the most part.

I am a Rick guy, through and through. But, I see the value in having a guy like Dale around. Not everyone is a tried and true hero like Rick. Shane is a hammer, a fighter, a survivor in the most brutal sense. He lacks a moral compass at this point and that makes him dangerous. Dale is a port in the storm, so to speak, for people seeking advice (Glenn, Rick, Lori, and even Shane to a point). Should survival and recovery ever be a real possibility, guys like Dale and Hershel will be extrememly valuable for life lessons and personal history's sake.

Point well taken.

 

[Voorhees27]

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Btw mister, I want you to rematch just the first 3 episodes of season 1. Report back to me on Dales involvement.

Hey straight up beheaded a walker in the forest. (the one eating the deer Daryl was hunting)

 

[CelticPredator]

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I think when you take out Darabont, you lose some of the passion he had for the actors playing the characters.

Amy was never a bad character, and neither was Dale.

And then once Frank left, they drifted off to a new level. One that I'm still not a 100% sold on. At least that's how I feel.

 

[plasmid303]

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The Walking Dead's return broke ratings records:

https://insidetv.ew.com/2012/02/13/walking-dead-ratings-return/

'Walking Dead' return delivers massive ratings

AMC’s midseason return of The Walking Dead broke the show’s previous records.

On Sunday night, the zombie drama had 8.1 million viewers and 5.4 million viewers among adults 18-49. That’s TV’s biggest drama series telecast in the adult demo in basic cable history. That’s up 12 percent in the demo compared to the show’s previous record, October’s season 2 premiere. Combined with its encore, Walking Dead had 10.1 million viewers for the night.

Great, so now they can bump up the budget.

 

[Voorhees27]

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I think when you take out Darabont, you lose some of the passion he had for the actors playing the characters.

Amy was never a bad character, and neither was Dale.

And then once Frank left, they drifted off to a new level. One that I'm still not a 100% sold on. At least that's how I feel.

Also keep this in mind, when Darabont was forced out DeMunn voiced his opinion on the matter. Claiming that if Frank goes he goes as well. I wouldn't be surprised if Dale is axed by the end of the season.