The Walking Dead - TV Series on AMC ( Comic and Un-aired Spoilers unwelcome!)

[TheObsoleteMan]

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Or it could also mean that this show doesn't provide the instant gratification that our society has come to take for granted and demand in everything we do. Cell phones, IMs, blogs, fast food, etc...

Like I have said several times already, this show is never going to be like that. The books are not, so why would the show? It is a show with a slow burn. The main focus of the show is continually building the characters and plots and interspersed are the zombie encounters. It is an ever present threat even if we don't actually see them (zombies) on screen for an episode or two.

I can see where you are coming from when you say the last episode was slow. I can even agree with it to a point. But to say there was little meaningful development is simply not accurate. Rick's character development has taken on a whole new direction with his shooting of the two scumbags in the bar. I imagine this will continue to play out over the rest of the episodes this season.

Has it? He gave them ample opportunity to walk away, and tried to diffuse the situation as any good cop would do. When it became obvious they were going to draw on him, he shot them. That seems right in line with Rick's character as we've seen him all along. People are acting as if he mowed them down like Clint Eastwood in a spaghetti western.

 

[tylerdurden]

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Or it could also mean that this show doesn't provide the instant gratification that our society has come to take for granted and demand in everything we do. Cell phones, IMs, blogs, fast food, etc...

Like I have said several times already, this show is never going to be like that. The books are not, so why would the show? It is a show with a slow burn. The main focus of the show is continually building the characters and plots and interspersed are the zombie encounters. It is an ever present threat even if we don't actually see them (zombies) on screen for an episode or two.

I can see where you are coming from when you say the last episode was slow. I can even agree with it to a point. But to say there was little meaningful development is simply not accurate. Rick's character development has taken on a whole new direction with his shooting of the two scumbags in the bar. I imagine this will continue to play out over the rest of the episodes this season.

please, i'm not one of the instant gratification ADHD generation. the problems with the show are nothing to do with "slow burn". and i don't mean nothing develops with the characters, just because some stuff happens to a character doesn't automatically make it compelling. when i said "little meaningful development", i meant that i get the impression the show's writers are dragging things way past the point that is necessary to get a character to where he/she could go, when instead it could be accomplished in much more expedient or efficient ways. sometimes, long, drawn out elaborations of a character's nature or direction aren't necessary.

for example, in one of the episodes where they were looking for sophia, daryl had this little speech he gave to carol about the flowers in order to give her hope her daughter was still alive. in that brief 5-minute scene, i learnt much more about daryl as a character than half a season of badassery and smart-ass quips could ever do. of course, i realise not all the writing for characters or plot can be in bite-sized vignettes, but that's a good example of concise, meaningful --- and SMART --- development. something that was lacking in last week's episode.

and please don't get me wrong, i'm NOT trashing the whole season. my criticism was directed at this episode, in relation to the already long, languid, drawn-out events prior to it. after the shocker of sophia's fate, things needed to pick up a little, in terms of urgency. the urgency they tried to bring in this episode was forced, in lori's silly mishap. it was only at the end, with rick's confrontation that i felt things snapping back into place. that was powerful stuff.

 

[Wake]

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Has it? He gave them ample opportunity to walk away, and tried to diffuse the situation as any good cop would do. When it became obvious they were going to draw on him, he shot them. That seems right in line with Rick's character as we've seen him all along. People are acting as if he mowed them down like Clint Eastwood in a spaghetti western.

Um... he did. He shot one in the skull and then put two in the fat guy before walking up to the corpse to lodge a 357 bullet in the brain so it wouldn't reanimate.

This is a character who was hesitant to kill the zombies in the barn 3 episodes ago.

If you can't tell that he changed as a character I suggest you not only stop watching the show but please don't post in thread anymore becuz you offer NOTHING to the conversation.

 

[MarfMaster]

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I agree with theobsoleteman. Rick has always been a "last resort" kind of guy. He does what needs to be done, but only after he's considered or exhausted every other avenue. He knew those bastards in the bar aimed to kill them, there was no other avenue, bing bang boom.

 

[316what]

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at 4 slaps.

Only because it was CP.

 

[Blkinterceptor]

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More survival? No thanks. They showed you chickens - do you really need to see them planting corn? They showed the wells where they get water. I get it, and I don't need to see any more.

Last episode not only gave us the funeral - did you really think they needed to skip that part, as well as skipping any effect the death of Sophia had on various members of the group? It also gave us developments with the sickness of one of Hershel's people, new people showing out of the blue, Rick gunning down two humans, Hershel making the transition from hating Rick to realizing he can protect his girls, the further decline of Shane in several scenes, not to mention my favorite scene of the whole episode - Andrea stopping the truck to go back and pick up an arm that fell off on the ground. Why do I like that scene? Because that shows how both the characters and the world has changed. There was nothing special about it. No zombie suddenly tried to grab someone. It was not meant for any dramatic purpose. It simply was showing that this is how far both the world and Andrea have changed - picking up a human's arm off the ground and tossing it into the back of an old pickup is no different than grabbing any other piece of litter up off the ground.

Dammit this ____ gave me goosebumps good catch on Andrea's dramatic change.

 

[FLOSI]

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I agree with theobsoleteman. Rick has always been a "last resort" kind of guy. He does what needs to be done, but only after he's considered or exhausted every other avenue. He knew those bastards in the bar aimed to kill them, there was no other avenue, bing bang boom.

They were both so damn unlikable too... The fat guy reminded me a little of that Philly fan who threw up on that cop and his daughter at a baseball game a few years back.

It was nice to see some proactive aggression out of Rick.

 

[MarfMaster]

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They were both so damn unlikable too... The fat guy reminded me a little of that Philly fan who threw up on that cop and his daughter at a baseball game a few years back.

It was nice to see some proactive aggression out of Rick.

Totally. Especially Dave, with his smug attempt at Charisma. I love that Rick wasn't lulled by it, even for a second. As soon as he saw Dave's expression change, and his eyes drop to the counter (rookie mistake), Rick showed him how it was done.

The scene showed me that, even though Rick might look like a sheep sometimes, he still knows how to ____ing roar like a lion.

 

[Michael Crawford]

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Rick's a leader - he doesn't operate off emotion, but logic and common sense. I'll also point out that Wake just made an important point that I had in spoiler tags a few pages back. Rick put a bullet in fat boy's head...which lends a lot of evidence to the theory that the CDC dude told him with that whisper that they are all infected, and just dying - not dying of a zombie bite - means they become a zombie.

 

[FLOSI]

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Did he shoot him in the head? I know he walked up to him and pointed the gun at his head but I thought he didn't shoot?

 

[Mister Ski]

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please, i'm not one of the instant gratification ADHD generation. the problems with the show are nothing to do with "slow burn". and i don't mean nothing develops with the characters, just because some stuff happens to a character doesn't automatically make it compelling. when i said "little meaningful development", i meant that i get the impression the show's writers are dragging things way past the point that is necessary to get a character to where he/she could go, when instead it could be accomplished in much more expedient or efficient ways. sometimes, long, drawn out elaborations of a character's nature or direction aren't necessary.

for example, in one of the episodes where they were looking for sophia, daryl had this little speech he gave to carol about the flowers in order to give her hope her daughter was still alive. in that brief 5-minute scene, i learnt much more about daryl as a character than half a season of badassery and smart-ass quips could ever do. of course, i realise not all the writing for characters or plot can be in bite-sized vignettes, but that's a good example of concise, meaningful --- and SMART --- development. something that was lacking in last week's episode.

and please don't get me wrong, i'm NOT trashing the whole season. my criticism was directed at this episode, in relation to the already long, languid, drawn-out events prior to it. after the shocker of sophia's fate, things needed to pick up a little, in terms of urgency. the urgency they tried to bring in this episode was forced, in lori's silly mishap. it was only at the end, with rick's confrontation that i felt things snapping back into place. that was powerful stuff.

You could always apply for a writer's position and show them how it is done. I am sure they will all appreciate you setting them straight.

So waiting 50 minutes for things to pick up is too long?

 

[Mister Ski]

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Did he shoot him in the head? I know he walked up to him and pointed the gun at his head but I thought he didn't shoot?

Yup and after re-watching the scene, it looks like he shot the guy behind the bar in the head too.

 

[Wake]

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Yup and after re-watching the scene, it looks like he shot the guy behind the bar in the head too.

Both guys got bullets between the eyes.

 

[devilof76]

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Has it? He gave them ample opportunity to walk away, and tried to diffuse the situation as any good cop would do. When it became obvious they were going to draw on him, he shot them. That seems right in line with Rick's character as we've seen him all along. People are acting as if he mowed them down like Clint Eastwood in a spaghetti western.

Yes. My whole contention prior to the end of last season was that simply because Rick would never shoot a man in the leg and leave him for zombie bait did not mean that he wasn't hard enough to exist in this new world. He has not 'learned' to be more like Shane. What he did in the bar had nothing in common with what Shane did to Otis.

Um... he did. He shot one in the skull and then put two in the fat guy before walking up to the corpse to lodge a 357 bullet in the brain so it wouldn't reanimate.

This is a character who was hesitant to kill the zombies in the barn 3 episodes ago.

His hesitation had nothing to do with a reluctance to kill zombies. He managed to do that just fine for the whole first season. In fact, they even opened the show with him putting down a little girl.

The only reason he wasn't killing the zombies in the barn was because 1) they were secure, and 2) it wasn't his farm and he was respecting the man who owned it. He's not insecure enough to throw a fit and violate that common standard of decency when there's no need for it.

If you can't tell that he changed as a character I suggest you not only stop watching the show but please don't post in thread anymore becuz you offer NOTHING to the conversation.

His character didn't change, but thanks for contributing that useful bit of whatever that iz.

 

[Blkinterceptor]

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My theory on Rick having shot both scumbags in the head at the bar was if walkers fed on them they wouldn't turn them, therefor preventing further outbreak and more walkers. Like the guy who hung himself on the tree and walkers fed off his legs.

That's a simple way of looking at it, I like the CDC theory too.

 

[Michael Crawford]

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Guy in the tree was already bit by a zombie before he hung himself.

 

[pixletwin]

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Yes. My whole contention prior to the end of last season was that simply because Rick would never shoot a man in the leg and leave him for zombie bait did not mean that he wasn't hard enough to exist in this new world. He has not 'learned' to be more like Shane. What he did in the bar had nothing in common with what Shane did to Otis.

I'm not so sure.

Shane was protecting his group by making sure he was able to get back with the medical supplies. Shane is certainly more brutal than Rick, but they were motivated by the same thing.

 

[Blkinterceptor]

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Guy in the tree was already bit by a zombie before he hung himself.

Sorry should have been more clear the fact that Daryl, said that the guy didn't know enough to "shoot himself in the head". You die or get bit shoot the head.

Like the fact the the guys continue to smash the walkers heads in or "double tap" if I may, before they burn them, even after they take them down.

Like I said it was a simple way of looking at it.

 

[Mister Ski]

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Yes. My whole contention prior to the end of last season was that simply because Rick would never shoot a man in the leg and leave him for zombie bait did not mean that he wasn't hard enough to exist in this new world. He has not 'learned' to be more like Shane. What he did in the bar had nothing in common with what Shane did to Otis.



His hesitation had nothing to do with a reluctance to kill zombies. He managed to do that just fine for the whole first season. In fact, they even opened the show with him putting down a little girl.

The only reason he wasn't killing the zombies in the barn was because 1) they were secure, and 2) it wasn't his farm and he was respecting the man who owned it. He's not insecure enough to throw a fit and violate that common standard of decency when there's no need for it.



His character didn't change, but thanks for contributing that useful bit of whatever that iz.

I'm not so sure.

Shane was protecting his group by making sure he was able to get back with the medical supplies. Shane is certainly more brutal than Rick, but they were motivated by the same thing.

I tend to agree. No one is saying Rick is becoming Shane or anything like him, but I think they are both motivated by the same thing - protecting Lori and Carl and now the baby. I think Sophia coming out of the barn as a walker was the cold bucket of water in Rick's face to make him see the world around him a little differently. Instead of trying to live by the rules of the pre-walker world, he is beginning to adapt to his current situation.

I also think his character did (or is) changing. He has to if he wants his family to be safe.

 

[Michael Crawford]

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Sorry should have been more clear the fact that Daryl, said that the guy didn't know enough to "shoot himself in the head". You die or get bit shoot the head.

Like the fact the the guys continue to smash the walkers heads in or "double tap" if I may, before they burn them, even after they take them down.

Like I said it was a simple way of looking at it.

Daryl said that because the guy had been bit by a zombie. We haven't seen anyone in the group exposed to the death of someone by something other than a zombie bite that then turned into a zombie, so there's no reason for them to assume that it's the case. You get bit, yes - shot to the head. You have a heart attack? No reason why the group would assume that means you become a zombie. I believe that's what the guy at the CDC told Rick, and it's actually a pretty big revelation for them emotionally. He's the only one that knows right now, which is why he put a bullet in those two guys heads.