The Walking Dead - TV Series on AMC ( Comic and Un-aired Spoilers unwelcome!)

[Blkinterceptor]

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My theory on Rick having shot both scumbags in the head at the bar was if walkers fed on them they wouldn't turn them, therefor preventing further outbreak and more walkers. Like the guy who hung himself on the tree and walkers fed off his legs.

That's a simple way of looking at it, I like the CDC theory too.

^^^^^^

Makes sense to me. If it's true we should start seeing more to this theory as it unfolds in the next episodes.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

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I hope his death is painless?

They're on a freaking farm.

What about a flashback of Otis ____ing some sheep?

That's for the extended DVD set.

 

[Wake]

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Yes. My whole contention prior to the end of last season was that simply because Rick would never shoot a man in the leg and leave him for zombie bait did not mean that he wasn't hard enough to exist in this new world. He has not 'learned' to be more like Shane. What he did in the bar had nothing in common with what Shane did to Otis.



His hesitation had nothing to do with a reluctance to kill zombies. He managed to do that just fine for the whole first season. In fact, they even opened the show with him putting down a little girl.

The only reason he wasn't killing the zombies in the barn was because 1) they were secure, and 2) it wasn't his farm and he was respecting the man who owned it. He's not insecure enough to throw a fit and violate that common standard of decency when there's no need for it.



His character didn't change, but thanks for contributing that useful bit of whatever that iz.

If you don't believe MURDERING another human being (even if in self-defence) represents a change in Sherrif of the law Rick Grimes' character then I'm done arguing....

 

[TheObsoleteMan]

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If you don't believe MURDERING another human being (even if in self-defence) represents a change in Sherrif of the law Rick Grimes' character then I'm done arguing....

If it's in self-defense, then it's not murder. He's a career cop, you think he was never in a situation like that before? He was in that situation in the very first episode.

 

[Wake]

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Killing is killing.

 

[MarfMaster]

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If you don't believe MURDERING another human being (even if in self-defence) represents a change in Sherrif of the law Rick Grimes' character then I'm done arguing....

It's a good thing you're done arguing...

If it's in self-defense, then it's not murder. He's a career cop, you think he was never in a situation like that before? He was in that situation in the very first episode.

because there really is no arguing with this

 

[Maglor]

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Exactly. He's no more a murderer than any other cop who's killed in self defense.

 

[pixletwin]

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Killing is killing.

Meaning what exactly?

 

[Mister Ski]

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If it's in self-defense, then it's not murder. He's a career cop, you think he was never in a situation like that before? He was in that situation in the very first episode.

He was NOT in the same situation in the very first episode. In the first episode, he did not shoot first. He was ready to defend himself, but none of the law enforcement officers shot first. The criminals got out of the car shooting FIRST and Rick et al returned fire in self defense. The reason why Rick (or any of them) did not shoot first is because they were acting within the guidelines of the law.

Now fast forward to the last episode and we all know that Rick shot FIRST because he is beginning to realize that there are no more guidelines of law and order to follow. It is more of a kill or be killed world. Rick knew they were going to shoot them, so he did to them first what they intended to do to him and Glenn and Herschel. If he had acted this way prior to the zombie apocalypse, he would have been arrested, prosecuted and put in jail for killing two men he "thought" were going to kill him.

It's a good thing you're done arguing...




because there really is no arguing with this

Oh yes there is. See my response above.

 

[Wake]

Meaning what exactly?

Meaning he killed a human being.

 

[Maglor]

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I can see that this thread is just gonna frustrate me.


Let me just say that I love this show and I wanna know what the heck was Lori thinking in this episode?

 

[pixletwin]

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Killing is killing.

Meaning what exactly?

Meaning he killed a human being.

Obviously. But surely the point you were attempting to make was a little less "captain obvious" than that.

 

[wofford29]

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Not all killing is created equal(period)

 

[Wake]

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Obviously. But surely the point you were attempting to make was a little less "captain obvious" than that.

My point is that he took the law into his own hands. He's not on duty. He wasn't wearing a badge. He shot first, no questions asked. He is now DEFINITIVELY and FUNDAMENTALLY different from the man he was before he committed those acts. Remember how Rick handled the situation with the VATOS... you know, the last time he was in a mexican standoff?! I don't remember people ending up dead.

 

[Blkinterceptor]

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Now say something nice about Dale!

I hope his death is painless?

I'd like to see your old a$$'s make it through a zombie infested world.

Remember no keyboards allowed.

 

[pixletwin]

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My point is that he took the law into his own hands. He's not on duty. He wasn't wearing a badge. He shot first, no questions asked. He is now DEFINITIVELY and FUNDAMENTALLY different from the man he was before he committed those acts. Remember how Rick handled the situation with the VATOS... you know, the last time he was in a mexican standoff?! I don't remember people ending up dead.

Much better. I thought you were saying something stupid like "All killing is wrong. Period". Short and simple doesn't always get the point across.

 

[MarfMaster]

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He was NOT in the same situation in the very first episode. In the first episode, he did not shoot first. He was ready to defend himself, but none of the law enforcement officers shot first. The criminals got out of the car shooting FIRST and Rick et al returned fire in self defense. The reason why Rick (or any of them) did not shoot first is because they were acting within the guidelines of the law.

Now fast forward to the last episode and we all know that Rick shot FIRST because he is beginning to realize that there are no more guidelines of law and order to follow. It is more of a kill or be killed world. Rick knew they were going to shoot them, so he did to them first what they intended to do to him and Glenn and Herschel. If he had acted this way prior to the zombie apocalypse, he would have been arrested, prosecuted and put in jail for killing two men he "thought" were going to kill him.


Oh yes there is. See my response above.

Ok, different situation, still the same idea. It was in self defense. Put Dave in the context of a pre-apocalypse "heist-gone-bad" scenario. Do you really think Rick's going to wait to see if a bullet comes out of his god damn gun before he squeezes one off? And do you think anyone would blame him? Sure internal affairs would investigate, but he would come out squeaky clean, especially if there were witnesses. Totally justifiable, in either scenario.

I can see that this thread is just gonna frustrate me.


Let me just say that I love this show and I wanna know what the heck was Lori thinking in this episode?

Bye Mag, I love this show too

Remember how Rick handled the situation with the VATOS... you know, the last time he was in a mexican standoff?! I don't remember people ending up dead.

It wasn't just him that was in danger of being shot, and more importantly, he knew he didn't have a strategic advantage.

 

[Wake]

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Ok, different situation, still the same idea. It was in self defense. Put Dave in the context of a pre-apocalypse "heist-gone-bad" scenario. Do you really think Rick's going to wait to see if a bullet comes out of his god damn gun before he squeezes one off? And do you think anyone would blame him? Sure internal affairs would investigate, but he would come out squeaky clean, especially if there were witnesses. Totally justifiable, in either scenario.




Bye Mag, I love this show too



It wasn't just him that was in danger of being shot, and more importantly, he knew he didn't have a strategic advantage.

How was rick at an advantage? He had two men with guns surrounding him. He couldn't be sure that they weren't trained or proficient with their weapons. If Rick goes down YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE that glenn and hershal were next .. so yes there were other's lives at stake.

 

[TheObsoleteMan]

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Perhaps my memory of last epsiodes ending is a bit fuzzy, but was the guy behind the bar not starting to reach for his gun when Rick drew down and shot him? That"s not "shooting first," that's getting the draw on someone who's threatening your life. But as I said, perhaps I'm remembering that scene incorrectly, and the guy did not reach at all.

 

[pixletwin]

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Perhaps my memory of last epsiodes ending is a bit fuzzy, but was the guy behind the bar not starting to reach for his gun when Rick drew down and shot him? That"s not "shooting first," that's getting the draw on someone who's threatening your life. But as I said, perhaps I'm remembering that scene incorrectly, and the guy did not reach at all.

Thank goodness George Lucas had nothing to do with shooting that scene.