The Walking Dead - TV Series on AMC ( Comic and Un-aired Spoilers unwelcome!)

[TheObsoleteMan]

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Thank goodness George Lucas had nothing to do with shooting that scene.

I'd love to see some photoshop genius erase the guy behind the bar and replace him with Greedo. Devil666 where art though?

 

[CelticPredator]

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He reached. I slowed it down. You can see him reach for the gun. It's so quick, but it was incredibly realistic. That was some brilliant editing. It felt like it was in real time.

I want more of that. That scene looked incredible. Reminded me of the Mist a little bit. I loved the lighting, the editing, the acting, the writing....to me, THAT was the episode. It was just perfect.

 

[TheObsoleteMan]

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He reached. I slowed it down. You can see him reach for the gun. It's so quick, but it was incredibly realistic. That was some brilliant editing. It felt like it was in real time.

Well, there ya go then. Rick waited til the perp made the first move and drew on him. Self defense, right in line with standard Rick behavior.

 

[CelticPredator]

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Yep. Why I love the guy. He did not shot him in cold blood. He knew what was coming. And some of you did too. I felt it. It kept building.

 

[Wake]

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Yep. Why I love the guy. He did not shot him in cold blood. He knew what was coming. And some of you did too. I felt it. It kept building.

this is precisely my argument... The law-abiding rick would have found a way to quell the argument/tension before things escalated. Merely by 'playing along' he could have done that. He could have also asked both men to put the weapons on the floor. But he didn't.

 

[MarfMaster]

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How was rick at an advantage? He had two men with guns surrounding him. He couldn't be sure that they weren't trained or proficient with their weapons. If Rick goes down YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE that glenn and hershal were next .. so yes there were other's lives at stake.

He had one man behind him with a gun at a relaxed position, and one man in front of him without the gun even in his hand. Neither pointed at him, let alone Glen or Herschel. Rick had the advantage in that he knew he had the ability to take both men out (in their current, lax and unarmed state) should Dave make a move. He had their intentions figured out, so Rick was just waiting for it. He had that ____ handled.

Perhaps my memory of last epsiodes ending is a bit fuzzy, but was the guy behind the bar not starting to reach for his gun when Rick drew down and shot him? That"s not "shooting first," that's getting the draw on someone who's threatening your life. But as I said, perhaps I'm remembering that scene incorrectly, and the guy did not reach at all.

Yup, he reached And totally telegraphed it with his eyes and expression change.

 

[greygoose]

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Just watched the new episode. I like the how they are actually trying to develop the characters and that firstly it's a survival drama about regular people and a zombie story second. Looking forward to seeing how the season reaches it's climax. I think it's pretty obvious that the farm will be stormed by a large amount of walkers.

 

[Mister Ski]

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Ok, different situation, still the same idea. It was in self defense. Put Dave in the context of a pre-apocalypse "heist-gone-bad" scenario. Do you really think Rick's going to wait to see if a bullet comes out of his god damn gun before he squeezes one off? And do you think anyone would blame him? Sure internal affairs would investigate, but he would come out squeaky clean, especially if there were witnesses. Totally justifiable, in either scenario.

You are just making up another scenario to fit your logic. It is not the same idea. If it was a heist gone bad scenario, then Rick would have drawn his gun on Dave because he was in the act of committing a felony! He would not have fired immediately. He would have told Dave to put his hands in the air and drop his gun if Dave had one in his hands. Once Dave made a threatening move he would have shot him. DO you see the difference? He didn't give Dave any warning that he was going to shoot him, he just did it as soon as Dave made a threatening move. Kill or be killed at its simplest.

Well, there ya go then. Rick waited til the perp made the first move and drew on him. Self defense, right in line with standard Rick behavior.

See above. Standard behavior that Rick would have followed is dictated by the law.

He had one man behind him with a gun at a relaxed position, and one man in front of him without the gun even in his hand. Neither pointed at him, let alone Glen or Herschel. Rick had the advantage in that he knew he had the ability to take both men out (in their current, lax and unarmed state) should Dave make a move. He had their intentions figured out, so Rick was just waiting for it. He had that ____ handled.





Yup, he reached And totally telegraphed it with his eyes and expression change.

Dave's gun was pointed right at Rick. He just wasn't holding it yet. The fat guy was staring a hole in the back of Rick's head just waiting to shoot him. What slowed him down was the fact that he had a rifle and not a handgun.

We can debate this all night long. (Does anybody hear Lionel Richie in the background?) There are those of you who think Rick hasn't changed at all and then there are us who think he has or this shooting marks the beginning of that change. Let's see how the last five episodes play out and then we will see who was right and who was wrong. Just to be clear, I don't think Rick will become another Shane, but I do think he will toughen up enough and be forced to make some difficult choices that he would not have faced prior to the zombies to keep his family safe.

 

[Mister Ski]

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Just watched the new episode. I like the how they are actually trying to develop the characters and that firstly it's a survival drama about regular people and a zombie story second. Looking forward to seeing how the season reaches it's climax. I think it's pretty obvious that the farm will be stormed by a large amount of walkers.

Welcome to the party greygoose. Now pass that bottle around to the rest of us.

 

[TheObsoleteMan]

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So you're telling me that if a cop had an armed man both in front of and behind him, and the one in front started to draw, that cop is going to give that guy a warning to A) give him time to get the drop on him, and B) give the man behind him time to draw as well? Nonsense.

 

[Mister Ski]

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So you're telling me that if a cop had an armed man both in front of and behind him, and the one in front started to draw, that cop is going to give that guy a warning to A) give him time to get the drop on him, and B) give the man behind him time to draw as well? Nonsense.

If you got that from what I wrote then you need to re-read it.

 

[CelticPredator]

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this is precisely my argument... The law-abiding rick would have found a way to quell the argument/tension before things escalated. Merely by 'playing along' he could have done that. He could have also asked both men to put the weapons on the floor. But he didn't.

If you don't think what he did was right, then you wouldn't last one day in that world. Not one single day.

 

[pixletwin]

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So you're telling me that if a cop had an armed man both in front of and behind him, and the one in front started to draw, that cop is going to give that guy a warning to A) give him time to get the drop on him, and B) give the man behind him time to draw as well? Nonsense.

It's possible that a cop would react that way. He'd be a dead cop though.

 

[MarfMaster]

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You are just making up another scenario to fit your logic. It is not the same idea. If it was a heist gone bad scenario, then Rick would have drawn his gun on Dave because he was in the act of committing a felony! He would not have fired immediately. He would have told Dave to put his hands in the air and drop his gun if Dave had one in his hands. Once Dave made a threatening move he would have shot him. DO you see the difference? He didn't give Dave any warning that he was going to shoot him, he just did it as soon as Dave made a threatening move. Kill or be killed at its simplest.

Sure, Rick would have had his gun drawn in the heist scenario, but his thoughts would be the same. "This man is dangerous, so as soon as I see him reach for or draw his weapon, I'm going to put him down." Hasn't that been what the discussion is about, after all?

Also, I think he didn't give Dave warning in the bar, because he wanted to see if the situation could possibly diffuse without threats or violence. The situation would have escalated, and he would have lost his advantage.

Dave's gun was pointed right at Rick. He just wasn't holding it yet. The fat guy was staring a hole in the back of Rick's head just waiting to shoot him. What slowed him down was the fact that he had a rifle and not a handgun.

We can debate this all night long. (Does anybody hear Lionel Richie in the background?) There are those of you who think Rick hasn't changed at all and then there are us who think he has or this shooting marks the beginning of that change. Let's see how the last five episodes play out and then we will see who was right and who was wrong.

A gun on the table is not a gun in the hand, and is a huge disadvantage in a fight with a man who knows how to use a pistol. That's an extra second you don't have. Same thing as "waiting" to shoot vs. ready to shoot.

But you're right, no point in keeping the argument going! I do think that Rick's character is going to arc this season, no argument there. I've simply been arguing that Rick's actions in the bar were not out of character.

 

[greygoose]

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Welcome to the party greygoose. Now pass that bottle around to the rest of us.

If you don't think what he did was right, then you wouldn't last one day in that world. Not one single day.

'That world' being the point. Survival and protecting your family is number one.

 

[CelticPredator]

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I'm not sure if i'd last either. But I don't know. I like thinking about it. I like survival stories.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

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Episode 9 Sneak Peek photos...

 

[Wake]

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If you don't think what he did was right, then you wouldn't last one day in that world. Not one single day.

I'm NOT DEBATING THE RIGHT OR WRONG HERE... just that he has CHANGED. He changed EXACTLY to deal with this new world.

For the record, I probably would've done the same thing in this post-apocalyptic situation.

 

[CelticPredator]

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Alright. It just looked like you were doing that thing where you would say you're more moral then some TV characters.

 

[Mister Ski]

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I'm NOT DEBATING THE RIGHT OR WRONG HERE... just that he has CHANGED. He changed EXACTLY to deal with this new world.

For the record, I probably would've done the same thing in this post-apocalyptic situation.

That is what I am saying too. Just look at Glenn's face after the shootings. It sure as hell doesn't look like he is thinking, "Yup, this is the same ole Rick I have known."