The Walking Dead - TV Series on AMC ( Comic and Un-aired Spoilers unwelcome!)

[Kibagami]

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Executed isn't on Rick.

The security risk already existed whether Randall lived or died.

Avoiding the risks of not letting Randall die on the fence would have left them without knowledge that the thugs knew about the farm, or that they outnumbered them, or that they outgunned them, or that they were only five miles away.

Leaving him would have radically put them at greater risk.

Seriously, they jumped the gun on wanting to let him go and or executing him: only when he mentioned the farm, they actually tried to weasel info out of him. I would have tortured information out of him then shot him when he was useless. That guy was a creep.

 

[devilof76]

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It has become clear that devil would not survive more than a couple days (and that is being generous) in the Walking Dead world.

FIXED (Sorry Devil)

Where's Shane?

 

[a-dev]

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Wait a second, what'd I miss? Who said the other group knows about the farm? Just because Randall knew about it doesn't mean the entire group also knows.

 

[wofford29]

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You can take the blame all the way up to Randall's parents for having sex the night he was conceived. But you have to draw the line somewhere. Fact is, had Rick not chosen to take Randall's life into his hands, all the events of the last 3 episodes would not have occurred. That was the axis point upon which all the events which followed rests. That lies with Rick and Rick alone. The obvious keyword here is choice. If you can't see that you are just being obtuse.

Shane decision to murder Randall is a different matter.

You could take it all the way back, but you don't have to. The answer is there and you obviously missed the point of my previous post. If you can place the blame on Rick for everything that happened, when he did nothing but bring him back that is just as broad a concept as placing it all on Randall for falling off the roof. You can say with certainity that if Randall had not fallen off the roof he would not have ended up in the barn.

 

[wofford29]

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Where's Shane?

 

[pixletwin]

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You could take it all the way back, but you don't have to. The answer is there and you obviously missed the point of my previous post. If you can place the blame on Rick for everything that happened, when he did nothing but bring him back that is just as broad a concept as placing it all on Randall for falling off the roof. You can say with certainity that if Randall had not fallen off the roof he would not have ended up in the barn.

Sigh. While you are very wrong, I respect your right to be wrong.

 

[Michael Crawford]

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Rick should have just shot Randall in the head while he was impaled on the fence. Easier said than done I'm sure but still - it would have simultaneously been a merciful and understandable action given the imminent zombie threat. Since they ended up torturing Randall anyway (and surely Rick knew what was going on - otherwise why was Daryl the one doing the interrogating and not Rick himself?) it would seem to have been, at least in hindsight, the better action to take.

Yes, he should have - Herschel even told him so. What is so good about how Rick's character is being developed is that he is changing, although he hasn't completely lost it. The Rick that killed Shane in the field is a Rick that would probably have just shot Randall in the first place.

I think it's interesting though that the same people who say it's Rick's 'fault' that Randall ends up beaten in the barn wouldn't say it was Rick's 'fault' that Randall was dead if Rick had chosen to shoot him back on the fence.

I don't mean that snidely either - it's very interesting, and not uncommon. Had Rick chose to kill him, most people would say it wasn't his fault, it was Randall and his buddies fault for the situation. But Rick instead chooses to try to save Randall's life, and suddenly all the things that happen to Randall after become Rick's responsibility. Some cultures in the past have even had that 'rule' - save someone's life, and you're responsible for them there on out.

 

[devilof76]

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Randall could have saved himself a lot of trouble if he had just shut his mouth and accepted getting left at the 18 mile marker. Who made him spill Maggie's name?

Wait a second, what'd I miss? Who said the other group knows about the farm? Just because Randall knew about it doesn't mean the entire group also knows.

If Randall was the snake he appeared to be, he would have told them about it. The guy with the mouth in the bar asked them outright if they were staying on "some kind of farm or something". It's enough to assume, and even if it wasn't the case, it wouldn't be worth the risk to treat it like it wasn't.

 

[madcy23]

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Maybe it doesn't matter who is at fault. The writers know what they are doing. They have set Rick and the group up for future instances with outsiders. Never trust anyone in this new world. The Randall experience mixed with the Shane one is needed to sculpt Rick into the person he will become.

 

[wofford29]

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Sigh. While you are very wrong, I respect your right to be wrong.

If I'm wrong put Randall in the barn without him falling off the roof. Rick doesn't make a choice if he's not there. There has to be a cause to his effect.

 

[pixletwin]

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If I'm wrong put Randall in the barn without him falling off the roof. Rick doesn't make a choice if he's not there. There has to be a cause to his effect.

The effect of Randall falling off the roof was Randall being caught in the fence. There he would have stayed to the end of his life had Rick not made the decicsion to remove him to the barn. I can't make that any clearer for you than that.

What you are saying is akin to the rapist who says that if a woman hadn't dressed so provocatively than he wouldn't have been tempted to rape her. Or the murdering husband who tells himself that he wouldn't have killed his wife if she hadn't slept with another man. Your logic is no less faulty than the rapist or the murderer.

Anyhoo I think at this point it is best if we both just gracefully agree to disagree about these imaginary people and their motives.

 

[FLOSI]

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I blame Lori.

 

[The Mike]

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Now we are paralleling Randall on the roof to a woman being raped? or a man killing his cheating wife?

 

[devilof76]

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The effect of Randall falling off the roof was Randall being caught in the fence. There he would have stayed to the end of his life had Rick not made the decicsion to remove him to the barn.

I understand that point. Rick saved him. Rick brought him back from mile 18. Rick had Daryl interrogate him. Rick decided to execute him. Rick decided to let him live.

But Randall decided to get involved with the guys at the bar. Randall decided to shoot at Rick, Glenn and Hershel. Randall decided to try and jump off the roof. Rick is who he is and does what he does, and he may have even invited him to stay at the barn forever as their friend if Randall hadn't been who he was. Instead, he ended up how he did. f(x)=y. Neither agent is without causal consequence.

 

[pixletwin]

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Now we are paralleling Randall on the roof to a woman being raped? or a man killing his cheating wife?

When a toothpick isn't getting the job done, one must sometimes use a sledge hammer.

 

[pixletwin]

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I understand that point. Rick saved him. Rick brought him back from mile 18. Rick had Daryl interrogate him. Rick decided to execute him. Rick decided to let him live.

But Randall decided to get involved with the guys at the bar. Randall decided to shoot at Rick, Glenn and Hershel. Randall decided to try and jump off the roof. Rick is who he is and does what he does, and he may have even invited him to stay at the barn forever as their friend if Randall hadn't been who he was. Instead, he ended up how he did. f(x)=y. Neither agent is without causal consequence.

Right. I guess folks are just disagreeing on where that line should be drawn. No biggie to me.

 

[devilof76]

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Why is this important, again?

 

[devilof76]

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I blame Lori.

That's too easy.

 

[pixletwin]

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Why is this important, again?

To pass the time until Sunday I think.

 

[thenammagazine]

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Where's Shane?

You're a quick learner, so I'd have your back.

Randall could have saved himself a lot of trouble if he had just shut his mouth and accepted getting left at the 18 mile marker. Who made him spill Maggie's name?

If Randall was the snake he appeared to be, he would have told them about it. The guy with the mouth in the bar asked them outright if they were staying on "some kind of farm or something". It's enough to assume, and even if it wasn't the case, it wouldn't be worth the risk to treat it like it wasn't.

The fact that they were looking for a farm in general, and Randall's face when discussing the rape plays to motive.