The Walking Dead - TV Series on AMC ( Comic and Un-aired Spoilers unwelcome!)

[cilantropants]

Oh, I thought every episode was supposed to be meaningful and well written. My bad.

Don't be ridiculous. There's a reason I put your use of the word in quotes. But if that's how you want to go with it, I'll let someone else bother with it after this.

 

[cilantropants]

That's not at all true. You can have character development in an episode that isn't filler. Breaking Bad had very few filler episodes by comparison to TWD. The boring filler episodes just make you appreciate a truely well done episode that much more. I mean look at Agents of Shield. Those fans are so desperate if you give them something remotely average for a single episode they herald it as the second coming.

You should amend that after reading my followup to obsolete. From all I've said up to this point, I don't really believe in filler, which is why I put that word in quotes in reference to his post.

The internet is the worst place to try and communicate with people. lol

 

[EVILFACE]

Carol is a cold hearted biiiiiatch

No she isn't. Cold hearted people have no remorse.

 

[DiFabio]

Carol at this point is one of my favorite characters now, easily.

Lizzie had to go, I don't see why there's any question about it in here. Hard choice? Sure. But it had to be done. Not only did she kill her little sister in cold blood, but her plans wouldn't have stopped there. In her mind, she thought being a walker was a better life. How soon before she'd try and kill Judith, Tyreese, Carol and then herself? Hell, she would have killed Judith if Carol hadn't shown up.

I loved Carol's reasoning at that part too. That it'd be unwise to murder Judith considering she couldn't walk yet. Had she panicked like some of the other characters undoubtedly would, Lizzie might have gotten knife and/or trigger happy. Everything Carol did in this episode made perfect sense in my opinion. I also LOVE the irony that Rick cast her out. Didn't he say something like he wouldn't want his children (Judith and Carl) around her to her face? Well, turns out Carol saved his daughter and is protecting/watching her with Tyreese. I'm hoping we get to see Rick's reaction to this.

 

[siquisiri]

Did next weeks sneak preview show rick getting beat up by daryl's new crew?? Possibly leading to him losing his hand??

 

[DiFabio]

I thought that was Daryl getting beat down.

 

[DiFabio]

What about any time Carol or Tyreese were asleep? I don't think Carol was too concerned with Lizzie killing her as much as she was Lizzie killing other people, especially Judith.

It'd be tough having to constantly supervise Lizzie for 24 hours, 7 days a week with her homicidal tendencies. Lizzie had to be put down.

 

[Deckard]

Also if a little girl can kill you I'm guessing you wouldn't last long in a zombie apocalypse, just have to take precautions which I sooner do then kill a little girl who has not been turned into a walker.

If Carol and Tyrese had left her alive and went to sleep they would be dead. She was going to do the baby right in front of them to show them. I don't think you really understand how sick she was. You're talking about it like she just needed a nap to get her head straight.

There is no safe envirnoment you can put a sick little girl in to make her get better, do you not get that? The zombies and thus murder is everywhere. You can't send her to a Malibu Rehab for a few months. Even if you explain everything to her, eventually you have to give her a gun again. Who's to say the second she starts killing people and walkers again she wouldn't just relapse right back to being a pyscho? honestly can't even believe I'm having this convo.

 

[cilantropants]

It's simple: you can't cure a psychopath. And the chances, starting at 0 in a normal world, are even lower in a zombie apocalypse. To let Lizzie live is tantamount to killing yourself. Which might be better for the group in the long run. Then they can kill her.

 

[Deckard]

exactly you have two options after you get back and find what she did.

you kill her, or you leave her. That's it. Goto sleep with an armed murdering child who can't distinguish between living relatives and a zombie? nice knowing ya.

 

[DiFabio]

Without those "fillers", episodes like this wouldn't have the impact they do. This seems to be lost on people who want every week to be like this.

Pretty heavy stuff, and I'm glad they killed that little psycho *****. She earned it.

Nah, the antics of Daryl and Beth (and Maggie, Sasha and Bob to a lesser extent) had no bearing on this Grove episode. None once so ever. Those were definitely fluff episodes that could have been combined into a single episode instead of spanning to two sleep inducing ones.

Seeing the dilemmas (most of which originated from the first half of this season) play out here was fantastic. Solid writing, interesting character development, great characterization, sad and somber ending. The last two episodes? Beth wanting a drink? The golf house? Porch exposition about history and traits that we already know about with both characters (I already knew about Daryl and Beth, didn't really need that tweaker story to know more about them)? Talking about and doing the same things they did the last episode? "Should we help find Glenn or stay here or split up"? That was awful. It almost seemed written in such a way to kill 50+ minutes.

This Grove episode and the Rick, Carl, Michonne centric episode (Claimed) have been the best ones thus far (in the last half of the season) in my opinion. You can have episodes that are "fillers" and still have them be meaningful with their development. Best thing to come out of the last two terrible episodes was Beth's kidnapping and Daryl "joining" Joe and his gang. The thing about that was, it could have been reduced to ONE episode instead of two and still pack a punch.

 

[Deckard]

Days of Our Lives has been on the air monday-friday for like 40 years. Trust me, Filler is a real thing.

 

[JonWes]

Fantastic episode. I have to agree, that Carol didn't have a lot of options. I can't believe what the writers have done with Carol as a character. From dead weight to one of the most interesting characters in the show.

 

[cilantropants]

I'm one of the few that's been a Carol fan since the start. I've heard a lot of people hating on her, but once she got out from under her ratbag husband, she's been a certifiable badass and a hell of a great character.

 

[DiFabio]

Days of Our Lives has been on the air monday-friday for like 40 years. Trust me, Filler is a real thing.

And you had a great example, Breaking Bad.

I'd consider "Fly" a filler episode, but it never once felt like fluff or a filler episode. It actually examined what it was going on in the story without me thinking "wtf is going on here" or looking at what time it was.

 

[Deckard]

Yea Fly is absolutely filler. A great well acted revelation from Walt about when he "should have died" makes it memorable, along with some laughs. But nothing about it moves the overall plot forward or is anything we the viewer could not have already figured out on our own.

 

[Scareb]

Are you saying bad acting? I thought she did fantastic.

Just that one part. Overall she did fantastic, especially at the end of the episode but just that one part where she had her psycho fit. It just seemed like the actress was trying really hard to do psycho upset and it made her acting not as great.

 

[yruh8n]

I think I finally get it now. An episode really doesn't count as character development unless one or more of the known characters gets fragged. I can only imagine what kind of whining we would be reading if the sisters walked away from that pecan grove with Tyrese and Carol, even given the character development we got. I hope the showcase for Melissa isn't a sign of what's to come. Personally I hope Rick and/or Carl are not reunited with Judith until the last episode of the series. Doubt that will happen though.

 

[DiFabio]

I think I finally get it now. An episode really doesn't count as character development unless one or more of the known characters gets fragged.

Nobody said that. I thought Claimed was great and Rick, Carl and Michonne didn't die.

Come to think of it, one of my favorite episodes from last season was Clear, which also featured the same characters (plus Morgan) and that didn't have any characters die AND had great character development. So no, that's not it at all.

 

[yruh8n]

The people who complained about the last few episodes being filler would probably have the same beef with this episode if everyone had walked away at the end credits. Older people who learned storytelling from reading books understand the importance of character development. The story is never as interesting if you are not invested in the characters. If you strand characters on a disserted island, the interesting thing is how they react to the situation and each other. Being lost is the catalyst for character development. If you only watch a show like that to see them rescued your missing the point. If the characters are well written you will think about the parts of thier story that were never told. I still wonder to this day how Roy Hinkley kept that radio going and if Ms. Summers pie was really as good as it looked.