Things I Hate

[WellCQCaboutthat]

atheists as not simply disbelieving in God but rather hating God and feeling themselves morally superior to God which has always been the true nature of atheism.

im atheist and you got it all wrong buddy. i dont hate god, its asinine and a bit delusional to hate something that does not exist just as it is to believe in something that doesnt. if anything i cant believe that someone would lead their whole life by thin air. it kind of makes me rethink their logic in other areas until they prove me otherwise. science is a wonderful thing and when we think we prove something to be true and find out otherwise we can admit we were wrong and show why we were wrong. science isnt run by hearsay. i wish i could write a book and make masses believe everything i said a follow it to a T. i cant believe that old technology that kept people in line however long ago it was still works today. its also funny how we get a revised edition and no one asks any questions and is like "oh, ok". on top of that we can interpret god however we wish and everyone has their own version of him. when we do something horrific we can obviously blame him and say he said it was ok too. i really want no part in that and i cant fathom how others can do it.

i felt i needed to speak my mind because you being a mod shouldnt have such a pompous outlook on people who are atheist. thats like me saying mods are mods so that they can get away with anything they want to without any repercussions. do you see how dumb that sounds?

 

[Khev]

im atheist and you got it all wrong buddy. i dont hate god, its asinine and a bit delusional to hate something that does not exist just as it is to believe in something that doesnt. if anything i cant believe that someone would lead their whole life by thin air. it kind of makes me rethink their logic in other areas until they prove me otherwise. science is a wonderful thing and when we think we prove something to be true and find out otherwise we can admit we were wrong and show why we were wrong. science isnt run by hearsay. i wish i could write a book and make masses believe everything i said a follow it to a T. i cant believe that old technology that kept people in line however long ago it was still works today. its also funny how we get a revised edition and no one asks any questions and is like "oh, ok". on top of that we can interpret god however we wish and everyone has their own version of him. when we do something horrific we can obviously blame him and say he said it was ok too. i really want no part in that and i cant fathom how others can do it.

i felt i needed to speak my mind because you being a mod shouldnt have such a pompous outlook on people who are atheist. thats like me saying mods are mods so that they can get away with anything they want to without any repercussions. do you see how dumb that sounds?

No man, speaking your mind on that is fine. Tell me this though, for the sake of discussion let's say that I could magically snap my fingers and reveal that the God of the Bible is 100% real. Would you be happy or upset?

 

[Chakor]

I hate phrases like "going forward" and "reaching out". You don't literally "go forward" unless your driving forward, and you don't literally "reach out" to someone unless you're saving a person from falling off of a cliff (or something like that).

 

[Solidus]

Idioms in general are kind of annoying, because people usually say them without understanding the context behind them.

 

[WellCQCaboutthat]

happy. because this debate is so boring at this point. i would LOVE to be proved wrong. the inner tinkerer in me would love to know how we would come to this realization after this incredible amount of time. i feel like if we found out he WASN'T real, there would be worldwide mayhem. i don't think most theists would be able to handle it. they would immediately feel betrayed and do anything they ever wanted to do because they are so guided by the light they wouldn't have a guardian over their shoulder to keep them in line. this is why i feel the way i do toward the vast majority of religious people. i feel like they NEED the idea of god in their head because it gives them closure that someone is taking care of them. i really feel like if they did it on their own from the jump off they would be no better than they are right now, just have way more time on their hands. church is the biggest ripoff to these people as well. they donate to the churches and just make them rich and nothing else. i guess im more mad at the people for being taken and constantly teaching generations to be taken just as they did.

 

[Khev]

happy. because this debate is so boring at this point. i would LOVE to be proved wrong. the inner tinkerer in me would love to know how we would come to this realization after this incredible amount of time. i feel like if we found out he WASNT real, there would be worldwide mayhem. i dont think most theists would be able to handle it. they would immediately feel betrayed and do anything they ever wanted to do because they are so guided by the light they wouldnt have aguardian over their shoulder to keep them in line. this is why i feel the way i do toward the vast majority of religious people. i feel like they NEED the idea of god in their head because it gives them closure that someone is taking care of them. i really feel like if they did it on their own from the jump off they would be no better thn they are right now, just have way more time on their hands. church is the biggest ripoff to these peple as well. they donate to the churches and just make them rich and nothing else. i guess im more mad at the people for being taken and constantly teaching generations to be taken just as they did.

See there's some of that moral and intellectual superiority that I noticed in Stephen Fry's interview. We're all living by faith. Science can't explain why the Big Bang happened without a higher power kicking it off any more than it can explain that a higher power exists in the first place. All we can see with our own eyes is that a universe is now here. Now you can cling to faith that states the universe just appeared out of nothing for no reason at all and I can cling to faith that says God did it but at the end of the day that's all it is, faith.

 

[a-dev]

He definitely should not be prosecuted for speaking his mind (what a terrible law if it is indeed true.) But I actually love the fact that he called out himself and all atheists as not simply disbelieving in God but rather hating God and feeling themselves morally superior to God which has always been the true nature of atheism. Bravo for your honesty Stephen. Now I don't think that he'll ultimately be happy for the misguided logic he has chosen to cling to but free will allows us all to choose our own path.

As a believer you obviously find it very significant that anyone would consider themselves morally superior to God. If you think about it from an atheist POV though it's really not that big a deal to be morally superior to a non-existent thing.

mfw Khev tells me Rogue One is canon with a long explanation but I know it really isn't






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Difabio is going to turn Gay Byrne into an international Meme, I love it.

 

[Khev]

As a believer you obviously find it very significant that anyone would consider themselves morally superior to God. If you think about it from an atheist POV though it's really not that big a deal to be morally superior to a non-existent thing.

Of course but you could feel Stephen Fry's venom. He doesn't hate nothingness but he clearly hates God. "Why does evil/suffering exist" is SO easily answered yet many supposedly brilliant atheists cling to it as if it somehow validates their disbelief. I'm not saying that applies to you of course but we all worship something, whether it be an infinite God or our own finite brains/knowledge. Atheists obviously tend to gravitate toward the latter.

 

[pixletwin]

See there's some of that moral and intellectual superiority that I noticed in Stephen Fry's interview. We're all living by faith. Science can't explain why the Big Bang happened without a higher power kicking it off any more than it can explain that a higher power exists in the first place. All we can see with our own eyes is that a universe is now here. Now you can cling to faith that states the universe just appeared out of nothing for no reason at all and I can cling to faith that says God did it but at the end of the day that's all it is, faith.

Faith in science is still faith. When my mom takes her magic radiation pills she is going off of faith that the doctor knows what he is on about.

 

[Khev]

Faith in science is still faith.

Exactly. As is the belief that science contradicts the existence of God.

 

[WellCQCaboutthat]

i appreciate your answer, firstly. faith is like gambling, you're essentially gambling your personal time, financial institutions, and your mind for what payoff? god to exist? after all is said and done and he turns out to be nothing more than a story how would you feel after? you wouldn't feel stupid or cheated? i prefer to find out that there is something out there new to experience than to find out ive been handed snake oil. some people under that situation would commit suicide. the other side of the coin is wed have deniers walking around, essentially mentally delusional who will never believe that god not existing was ever proven.

 

[pixletwin]

i appreciate your answer, firstly. faith is like gambling, you're essentially gambling your personal time, financial institutions, and your mind for what payoff? god to exist? after all is said and done and he turns out to be nothing more than a story how would you feel after? you wouldn't feel stupid or cheated? i prefer to find out that there is something out there new to experience than to find out ive been handed snake oil. some people under that situation would commit suicide. the other side of the coin is wed have deniers walking around, essentially mentally delusional who will never believe that god not existing was ever proven.

I reckon if there is no God and no afterlife, there isn't much room for regret.

 

[Chakor]

...we all worship something, whether it be an infinite God or our own finite brains/knowledge.

I worship the most powerful kind of god.

 

[Khev]

i appreciate your answer, firstly. faith is like gambling, you're essentially gambling your personal time, financial institutions, and your mind for what payoff? god to exist? after all is said and done and he turns out to be nothing more than a story how would you feel after?

I guess I'd feel nothing if my consciousness ceased to be when I died. But how will *you* feel if you're wrong? Stephen Fry talks big now but I think he's going to be singing a *slightly* different tune when he's one day face to face with the ramifications of his misplaced priorities.

 

[WellCQCaboutthat]

seriously pixel? the pills were proven to work through chemistry trial and errors and human testing. your mom has faith because she doesn't 100% believe they work, which is still a science experiment for her of sorts. that's her gremlin that she will get over eventually. faith on doctors is another beast which i can agree, not all are as knowledgeable as they are supposed to be. ive been a victim of misdiagnosis and being prescribed with the wrong meds.

 

[WellCQCaboutthat]

i already answered that khev. i will be happy i suppose and i can finally trust more people i guess. i suppose i should read a little more at that point. dunno. i wouldn't think people (me included) would want to kill themselves knowing someone actually exists they thought didn't, you wouldn't get that empty feeling you would when you lose someone you loved and respected. i guess more indifferent, but know i have a god now!?!?! hard to say.

btw, i didn't mean when you died, when i said said and done i meant when we got the answer to if god was real or not.

 

[Khev]

seriously pixel? the pills were proven to work through chemistry trial and errors and human testing. your mom has faith because she doesn't 100% believe they work, which is still a science experiment for her of sorts. that's her gremlin that she will get over eventually. faith on doctors is another beast which i can agree, not all are as knowledgeable as they are supposed to be. ive been a victim of misdiagnosis and being prescribed with the wrong meds.

I know you're responding to a comment made by pixel but let me clarify that just because we all live by faith doesn't mean that we all live by "blind" faith. Now lots of atheists like to *pretend* that Christians live by blind faith, and your initial response to me even implies the same, but that isn't the case.

A universe appearing out of nothing requires the greater leap of faith, I honestly don't know how you'd get around claiming that that *isn't* blind faith since there's no precedent for nothing creating something in all of science. But something being created by something else? Well we have millions upon millions examples of that.

I'm not saying that I've proven you wrong or anything, I just marvel at the much greater degree of faith that you have in such a theory than I do in my own beliefs.

 

[a-dev]

I reckon if there is no God and no afterlife, there isn't much room for regret.

Yeah that's a bummer about my position. If I'm right I'll never know I was right If I'm still around to know anything at all - then I was wrong. Of course even then it doesn't necessarily mean that any particular religion got everything right either. Consciousness after death is just that, consciousness after death. But is there a God? Is there heaven? Is there hell? Do we really get to meet up with all our loved ones again? It's all speculation. So I see no reason to actually believe in any of it.

Whatever upbringings and experiences you guys had to make you stick with religion and actively believe in it, I simply did not have.

 

[Khev]

i already answered that khev. i will be happy i suppose and i can finally trust more people i guess. i suppose i should read a little more at that point. dunno. i wouldn't think people (me included) would want to kill themselves knowing someone actually exists they thought didn't, you wouldn't get that empty feeling you would when you lose someone you loved and respected. i guess more indifferent, but know i have a god now!?!?! hard to say.

btw, i didn't mean when you died, when i said said and done i meant when we got the answer to if god was real or not.

Oh, ha ha. Gotcha. What if I learned *right now* that there is no God, eternity, anything? I wouldn't commit suicide, might as well just live for the moment since that's all life would be then. A pointless millisecond of a moment in the grand span of time.

 

[Solidus]

Perhaps off topic, but as a Christian, I find that the fear of hell is a very real and compelling motivator to keep me in. I truly wish if I could go my own way, and have only myself to answer to . That said, I think it takes guts to be an atheist - to be fully convinced that an afterlife doesn't exist, and that you won't have to answer to a higher power for the decisions you've made in your life (and how those decisions have affected others). I'm sure it's very cathartic to live your life that way. But, quite frankly, that's a gamble I'm not willing to take...