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Celebrities do the same thing. They all have to give a statement about it, which usually gets preachy and political.

They have to get on their soapbox and blame their opposing viewpoint like somehow being Republicans brought this upon them. Jimmy Kimmel is such a jerk off.
 
I hate that people think you can legislate crazy people or criminals. Make all the rules you want. They're not going to follow them.
 
You remove guns, people use cars and trucks. Just look at what's been going on in the UK. If someone wants to kill lots of people, they're going to do it regardless of the tools available.
 
I hate that people think you can legislate crazy people or criminals. Make all the rules you want. They're not going to follow them.

You remove guns, people use cars and trucks. Just look at what's been going on in the UK. If someone wants to kill lots of people, they're going to do it regardless of the tools available.

some stuff can be changed for safety

 
You remove guns, people use cars and trucks. Just look at what's been going on in the UK. If someone wants to kill lots of people, they're going to do it regardless of the tools available.
They can get a hold of guns as well. Criminals will always have guns. They don't follow rules.

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So why have any laws at all then? Just for the formality of judicial punishment for those who break the law about which they dont care?

The law exists to serve a more than a punitive purpose IMO. Laws reflect the society in which they exist. For example in some countries it's legal for a nine year old to work in coal mine. I think that says something about that country.

The law also can provide a prophylactic measure- frustrating the wrong doer before he/she can commit the act. For example, the idea of a background check in the purshase of a firearm is designed to prevent mentally unstable people from owning a firearm- because society is less secure when mentally ill people are free to own firearms.
 
some stuff can be changed for safety



Yuck his ****ing crocodile tears. He's the go to guy now for politicizing and pushing agendas on late night. Bodies weren't even cold and all these soulless Hollywood types and politicians have to run their mouths.

Respect the dead. Have some ****ing decency.

For hundreds of millions of guns in the country, the disproportionate majority of murders done with them are illegally bought. This amount of people are shot every weekend in Chicago. Where's the outrage there? Where's the tears for grandmothers and children shot with stray bullets?
 
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So why have any laws at all then? Just for the formality of judicial punishment for those who break the law about which they dont care?

The law exists to serve a more than a punitive purpose IMO. Laws reflect the society in which they exist. For example in some countries it's legal for a nine year old to work in coal mine. I think that says something about that country.

The law also can provide a prophylactic measure- frustrating the wrong doer before he/she can commit the act. For example, the idea of a background check in the purshase of a firearm is designed to prevent mentally unstable people from owning a firearm- because society is less secure when mentally ill people are free to own firearms.

the law says that drugs are illegal and you go to jail for using them or selling them. they are prohibited items. yet they are all over in every state. millions of people get them or sell them,
the thing i dont get about gun control is how they are planning to stop a black market from erupting. you ALWAYS hear about bigger control and laws, but not one single person ever tries to discuss what happens after they become highly regulated.
And im not being snarky either, i truly wonder how they plan to stop the cartels from just flooding the street the same way they do with drugs.
 
Laws are just for administering punishment. They've never kept anyone from doing anything.

Speeding is against the law, we all break that law and we pay up when caught.
 
Laws are just for administering punishment. They've never kept anyone from doing anything.

Speeding is against the law, we all break that law and we pay up when caught.

i think more people die from drunk driving than guns. we should ban acohol
 
You will never be completely rid of illegal behavior. Thats just life. But thats not a reason to not try to eliminate as much as you can. You likely stop *some* illegal behavior. And stopping some is better than stopping none.

If the argument is ppl are still going to do X, then why bother with any laws? Why have any restrictions? Why not allow regular citizens to buy a bazooka? Or a sea to air missle? Or grenades? Or anthrax? When people want to do harm theyre going to find a way to do it, right? The de facto concession in that argument is that law serves no other purpose than punishment (because the law only exists to punish after commission). And i dont belive that is true.
 
You will never be completely rid of illegal behavior. Thats just life. But thats not a reason to not try to eliminate as much as you can. You likely stop *some* illegal behavior. And stopping some is better than stopping none.

If the argument is ppl are still going to do X, then why bother with any laws? Why have any restrictions? Why not allow regular citizens to buy a bazooka? Or a sea to air missle? Or grenades? Or anthrax? When people want to do harm theyre going to find a way to do it, right? The de facto concession in that argument is that law serves no other purpose than punishment (because the law only exists to punish after commission). And i dont belive that is true.

my argument is never "ppl are still going to do X, then why bother with any laws? "
my argument (OR question because it is a question technically) is, how do they plan to stop the illegal sell of guns? the huge markets that will come out of it. my only argument was, every city in the country has people using drugs, it is like an epidemic. Im not talking about "Some illegal behavior just being part of life"
im talking about literally millions of people breaking the law and buying/selling. so the question i always get is, if they pass the laws and stuff. HOW do they stop illegal sells? because they completely failed with the war on drugs. we have very strong drug laws yet the streets are filled with them, like, do you see the problem?
 
So why have any laws at all then? Just for the formality of judicial punishment for those who break the law about which they dont care?

The law exists to serve a more than a punitive purpose IMO. Laws reflect the society in which they exist. For example in some countries it's legal for a nine year old to work in coal mine. I think that says something about that country.

The law also can provide a prophylactic measure- frustrating the wrong doer before he/she can commit the act. For example, the idea of a background check in the purshase of a firearm is designed to prevent mentally unstable people from owning a firearm- because society is less secure when mentally ill people are free to own firearms.

You are right but this goes beyond the mental ill. Even if this happen in front of them, these hardliner won't change much. They'll simply make excuses. It's the culture that we live in. 57 dead and 500+ wounded, did anyone with a gun besides the officer kill him? No, he committed suicide. Never thought one person can take down that much people. Guess bullets can double hit or ricochet. The simplest solution is to remove the guns. The effect won't be known in the short run but definitely in the long run. But no, not in America.
 
Name more stuff. I like lists.

There's plenty of regulations. You can't buy a "silencers"... or automatic weapons. You need to go through tons of red tape and the majority of states don't allow them, at all. The lowlife killer, modified his gun the last I heard to fire full auto.
 
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