Things I Hate

[Solidus]

 

[crows]

Ok, why is it messed up?

It's messed up to me because some paranoid alcoholic nut with a conviction for domestic battery can buy a gun with no questions asked (if I understand the process corrcetly). I submit that you and I are less safe in society when this is permitted.

Will it stop every paranoid alcoholic nut with a conviction from getting a gun? No. But it may stop 3 of 10. Society has said this person is too much of a risk to own a gun. And i'd rather stop 3 of 10 than 0 of 10.

it is messed up because gun shows might as well be a black market itself lol. i think craiglist banned the sales of guns recently, but for a while anyone could sell and buy with ni record

 

[ali032373]

There are really 3 issues on this in my mind-

1. Who should be able to buy and/or own a gun? If youve been on anti depressants for 4 months and was fired for weird behavior at work- should this person be able to own/buy a gun? Are you ok with this person owning a gun? Sometimes with no questions asked or record of the sale. Are you ok with that?


2. What types of guns should people be able to buy? The ******* in NV used at least some belt fed machine gun you only see in iraq. Are you ok with average citizens (the same pple who get road rage or text while driving) owning machine guns?


3. How many guns, if any, should a citizen be able to buy? Are you ok with the average citizen owning 18 guns regardless of size or capacity? Is it ok for the average citizen to stockpile guns? Are you ok with that?

There are ppl who are ok with all 3. Im not one of those ppl.

 

[hockeyflow33]

For me the more telling event was when congress tried to ban people on the no fly list from buying a gun- the logic being if youre too dangerous to get on a plane, youre too dangerous to own a gun. They defeated that measure arguing it was unfair to the ppl wrongly on the no fly list.

Give that some thought. And ask yourself whose interests are really being served.

The issue was that people are placed on the no fly list and there is no fair trial to it. Flying isn't a right, owning a gun is.


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[hockeyflow33]

the thing i dont like is that u dont need a background check at gun shows or private sales (like craiglist) that seems really messed up.

This isn't true about gun shows and the private sales are small and extremely burdensome


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[Snake Plissken]

All gun sales need to be on the books. No sane gun owner thinks otherwise.

 

[ali032373]

The issue was that people are placed on the no fly list and there is no fair trial to it. Flying isn't a right, owning a gun is.


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You are absolutely right. That was reason provided against the no fly/no gun issue. And it made complete legal sense.

 

[GasparZizou]

I love this, one of the classics of the internet.

Should be on Things I Love thread, what a sight.

 

[xipotec]

The fact is the law/gun issue is a red herring that keeps us from asking and trying to answer the real hard questions.

Like what makes a man want to murder people on mass. What creates a mass murderer? How can we recognize it and prevent them from carrying out the plan? And is there really anything we can do to stop it.

It's not new , this has been happening to humans since we picked up a rock and used it as a tool.

There are many ways people can harm others in masse now. It's the cost of a modern society. Whenever people gather together in large numbers they create a soft target. It's interesting thou how these mass shooters never walk into a police station, or army barracks or gun club.....




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[The Ween]

Don't worry. The system won't be able to take your weapon away. Say what you want, if Mr. Green have it his way, all guns will be confiscated and become illegals. It doesn't matter if they're bought legally or illegal, all should be gone. The benefit won't be immediate but eventually.

You would have to outlaw hunting too.

People keep comparing us to Australia and the UK, both are basically islands. They have more control over what comes into their countries. We don't. We have a wide open border that would supply criminals, and nutjobs, with anything they wanted. Then you'd have a real mess.

 

[hoodonit00]

Don't worry. The system won't be able to take your weapon away. Say what you want, if Mr. Green have it his way, all guns will be confiscated and become illegals. It doesn't matter if they're bought legally or illegal, all should be gone. The benefit won't be immediate but eventually.

You own a cell phone? How about a knife? Baseball bat? Hands? Do you smoke? Drink alcohol?

 

[The Ween]

The fact is the law/gun issue is a red herring that keeps us from asking and trying to answer the real hard questions.

Like what makes a man want to murder people on mass. What creates a mass murderer? How can we recognize it and prevent them from carrying out the plan? And is there really anything we can do to stop it.

It's not new , this has been happening to humans since we picked up a rock and used it as a tool.

There are many ways people can harm others in masse now. It's the cost of a modern society. Whenever people gather together in large numbers they create a soft target. It's interesting thou how these mass shooters never walk into a police station, or army barracks or gun club.....




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The more people there are in the world, the more crazies there are.

 

[shells075]

Humans will always find a way to kill its prey

 

[Lejuan]

You would have to outlaw hunting too.

People keep comparing us to Australia and the UK, both are basically islands. They have more control over what comes into their countries. We don't. We have a wide open border that would supply criminals, and nutjobs, with anything they wanted. Then you'd have a real mess.

There are loads of guns in Oz, and plenty of people have them. Plenty make it in illegally too, just like drugs find a way. They are heavily controlled though.

https://time.com/4172274/what-its-like-to-own-guns-in-a-country-with-strict-gun-control/

 

[GasparZizou]

The fact is the law/gun issue is a red herring that keeps us from asking and trying to answer the real hard questions.

Sometimes you say things that are ok.

 

[Snake Plissken]

 

[hockeyflow33]

The best part is the people crying loudest that this administration is fascist are also calling for the government to irrationally revoke a constitutional right and round up guns


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[ali032373]

Who called for rounding up guns?

 

[hockeyflow33]

Who called for rounding up guns?

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[ali032373]

You would have to outlaw hunting too.

People keep comparing us to Australia and the UK, both are basically islands. They have more control over what comes into their countries. We don't. We have a wide open border that would supply criminals, and nutjobs, with anything they wanted. Then you'd have a real mess.

if you're referring to guns, I'd bet 95% of the guns in the US are made in the US. Why smuggle in a gun when anyone can get one at Walmart or cabellas?

Drugs is a diff issue. We are highly dependent on foreigners for plant based drugs.