Pixelpiper
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That means no episode to unwind… Ruh roh.
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I think it seems like Tyrion and Danerys are the only two who truly feel central to me.
Runner up is Jon. Then maybe the stark girls.
Some guys like Stannis and Bolton and those damn zombies and their whole storyline are the worst kind of afterthought characters ever.... Everyone else falls in the middle of having more screen time but seeming like their stories just are stuck in limbo.
Pixelpiper
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I don't disagree, and I know a lot of people have a problem with this. I'm fine with it and don't think there's really any central character - it's a very widely dispersed ensemble cast, and this is the whole issue I had with trying to pick a character to purchase a figure of. I'm very glad they did Tyrion first.
It's also been proven time and again that any character may disappear or be killed off at any moment without warning - so watch out who you get attached to.
It's also been proven time and again that any character may disappear or be killed off at any moment without warning - so watch out who you get attached to.
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Very good point!
SurlyJ
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Tyrion is central mostly because people like him. Yes, he is important but he doesn't affect the storyline anymore than most characters. Littlefinger actually has the largest impact on how things unfold, he just does it all from the shadows. Danaerys is clearly the most "important" character, and Jon Snow and Bran seem to be shaping up to have some of the bigger impacts on the story... eventually. Unless George RR Martin is just a total ****, which is also very possible.
m.c.d.spargo
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Negative? I was elated when the Mountain crushed the princes head. Oberyn was a decent character, but he was getting on my nerves.
Yyyup! I dont have any insider knowledge, but going by the events of the book I strongly think the "big thing" for this season will be episode 10, while the big battle (much like season 2) will be episode 9.
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SurlyJ
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Correctamundo....
chilipep66
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the unique, and impressive aspect of this show and this series is that is is by far the most comprehensive, vast, well thought out, and yes, realistic, depiction of a fictional universe ever set to television, or book
Martin truly created a WORLD. he gives constant reminders of the vast size of the world at the beginning of every episode in its opening titles. of course the show has to pick some central families to follow, the Starks, Lannisters, and Targaryans, but as is in life, of course there are more people in the world that that of the 3 families. Alliances, geography, families, and characters all continue to be presented to the audience as their role in the central story becomes more important, as the Martell's did this year and the Boltons and Tyrell's did last year.
Every time i hear someone talk smack about the show for there being too many characters i want to smack them back. APPRECIATE the show for that fact, not condem it cause of what it isnt. The way the characters come to be in the grand events of the story, and relate, is really nothing short of a remarkable achievement in storytelling, and a far greater challenge when compared to the other great shows of today. The histories of the houses and the Whites continually are expanded upon in the novels as im sure they will be in the show too
Not saying GoT is better than these, but the vastness of its scope, and the detail of its fictional universe dwarfs Star Trek, Star Wars, LOTR, and all the rest.
the one and only critique of the show should be Martins admitting of killing characters just cause they are popular to troll the audience. it becomes tiresome because its for the shock value and not actually to the service of the story.
Martin truly created a WORLD. he gives constant reminders of the vast size of the world at the beginning of every episode in its opening titles. of course the show has to pick some central families to follow, the Starks, Lannisters, and Targaryans, but as is in life, of course there are more people in the world that that of the 3 families. Alliances, geography, families, and characters all continue to be presented to the audience as their role in the central story becomes more important, as the Martell's did this year and the Boltons and Tyrell's did last year.
Every time i hear someone talk smack about the show for there being too many characters i want to smack them back. APPRECIATE the show for that fact, not condem it cause of what it isnt. The way the characters come to be in the grand events of the story, and relate, is really nothing short of a remarkable achievement in storytelling, and a far greater challenge when compared to the other great shows of today. The histories of the houses and the Whites continually are expanded upon in the novels as im sure they will be in the show too
Not saying GoT is better than these, but the vastness of its scope, and the detail of its fictional universe dwarfs Star Trek, Star Wars, LOTR, and all the rest.
the one and only critique of the show should be Martins admitting of killing characters just cause they are popular to troll the audience. it becomes tiresome because its for the shock value and not actually to the service of the story.
And to add to that:
GoT> LOTR
And that's coming from a guy that loves Lord of the Rings. The characters and plots are infinitely more interesting and complex.
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GoT> LOTR
And that's coming from a guy that loves Lord of the Rings. The characters and plots are infinitely more interesting and complex.
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I think I will need to read all the books (from one to seven.. or eight... which ever ends up last) before I could make a judgement like that.
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I agree. I was never a uber Midevil / Dark Age fan, but GOT literally butt ****s LOTR... Then kills it! Mountain style.
That's assuming he ever finishes before he croaks on us. My money is on HBO finishing the story before the books due, sadly.
SurlyJ
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Good comment, but have to disagree about it dwarfing the scope of LoTR. Tolkein's universe is far richer to me than Martin's for me. Tolkein's history goes back thousands of years, in pretty great detail, whereas Martin's goes back a few hundred in less detail. Sure, it's a matter of opinion which is the vaster story, but while Martin obsesses over some details more than Tolkein did, Tolkein's world feels more complete to me. And if we are comparing scope and detail, let's also not forget Tolkein invented many complete languages. You also have to consider the Silmarillion and other stories when talking about LotR
All that said, to completely contradict myself, let's not get into a pissing match here
All that said, to completely contradict myself, let's not get into a pissing match here
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Ce Ilhuicamina
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I agree, although, to be fair, lotr was groundbreaking for it's time: very well written and with great scope. I can see why a lot of people love Tolkien's work but it just doesn't appeal to me in the slightest, it bores me to death to be honest.
Lejuan
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Calling LoTR 'very well written' is like calling a Ferrari a 'nice little runabout'
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No way in hell is Lord of the Rings more vast than Game of Thrones.
The first season of GoT alone dwarfs LotR in scale. Way more characters, cities, and kingdoms, all of which are expanded on more than anything in LotR. Same with the houses and the history for each house. They even have their own sigils and their own house words. Not to mention all of the fantasy elements.
That's the thing about Game of Thrones. It's so vast and richly detailed that it's like a real world. You could teach history lessons about this stuff.
Not bashing LotR at all, I love LotR and always have, but it doesn't compare to GoT.
The first season of GoT alone dwarfs LotR in scale. Way more characters, cities, and kingdoms, all of which are expanded on more than anything in LotR. Same with the houses and the history for each house. They even have their own sigils and their own house words. Not to mention all of the fantasy elements.
That's the thing about Game of Thrones. It's so vast and richly detailed that it's like a real world. You could teach history lessons about this stuff.
Not bashing LotR at all, I love LotR and always have, but it doesn't compare to GoT.
SurlyJ
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That's the thing though. GoT has all those little details that make the world a bit "realer" because they are mundane details, mostly. Tolkein's world has less families and such focused on, but the history is much richer.
I'm guessing most people haven't read Silmarillion.
I'm guessing most people haven't read Silmarillion.
Lejuan
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I really can't fathom people comparing them to be honest. And what is being compared anyway? It's apples and oranges.
If it's just screen versions, then a broadcast series is being compared with a movie trilogy? What for? The pacing and story arcs are necessarily completely different.
If it's text versions, you can't discount the appendices and Silmarillion in an assessment about the scope of the universe and the characters that populate it.
And then there's the detail and texture of the writing - I've only just started on A Game of Thrones, but there is no comparison in which is the better written.
Maybe a more simple (and almost equally as irrelevant) comparison can be made by regarding hour-for-hour viewing experience - in which case give me ten hours to myself in front of the TV, I'd pick Game of Thrones.
If it's just screen versions, then a broadcast series is being compared with a movie trilogy? What for? The pacing and story arcs are necessarily completely different.
If it's text versions, you can't discount the appendices and Silmarillion in an assessment about the scope of the universe and the characters that populate it.
And then there's the detail and texture of the writing - I've only just started on A Game of Thrones, but there is no comparison in which is the better written.
Maybe a more simple (and almost equally as irrelevant) comparison can be made by regarding hour-for-hour viewing experience - in which case give me ten hours to myself in front of the TV, I'd pick Game of Thrones.
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