Tron Legacy

[ProgMatinee]

is there a novel treatment for Legacy? I really would like to read it as I'm sure it would flesh out what CLUs goal was.

If his intention was to materialize in the real world, I don't think its out of the realm of possibility that CLU and his army could materialize in appropriate disguise, nor would he need to do it one by one.

Remember, in TRON 1982 Flynn is materialized in the computer world wearing that world's gear and is then rematerialized in the real world with his original clothing back on.

I think what Legacy may have missed was reestablishing the power of the laser from TRON 1982. The laser held the power to digitize and then put back together the digital information.

So, therefore, one can presume that if CLU held the key to the laser, that CLU could manipulate the laser to actualize just about anything from the digital world to the real world.

Of course, that creates a whole new realm of questions and basically makes the laser a cure for hunger, medicine shortages, mineral shortages, etc.

This goes back to TRON 1982 being a fantasy film. Theres no way an orange, much less a human, could have been transported via digital information. If you can make that leap, I guess anything is possible.

One more note, considering the power of the laser, I think TRON:Legacy should have established that Flynn thought the laser was too dangerous to let loose to society, so he ended the (public)research.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

Yeah that was one thing that kind of irked me in this one. Sam just materialized in the world. Nothing fancy like the original one that showed him getting digitized. It just happened like the flipping of a switch, and he was there.

 

[stshammgod]

Yeah that was one thing that kind of irked me in this one. Sam just materialized in the world. Nothing fancy like the original one that showed him getting digitized. It just happened like the flipping of a switch, and he was there.

Better tech I guess. But yeah, I was hoping for an updated tunnel sequence.

 

[ProgMatinee]

My wife thinks they didn't do the tunnel because kids these days have seen that stuff too much already. I would have liked to seen it.

 

[Dusty]

You liked Revenge of the Fallen!!!
Why would you care about story and following rules?
Bay said Megatron couldn't transform into a pistol due to some "matter cannot shrink" crap, yet the Cube does shrink?...
He said Megatron wouldn't be in TF2 yet there he was...
Transformers doesn't follow any rules either...

Any movie eventually will have to overlook something in order to move forward...
You can't compare a movie like Black Swan to Tron... come on!!
Besides, you can question every single movie there is...

For example:

-In Star Wars, why don't the Jedi switch off each others lightsabers during a combat using the Force?
- In back to the Future, why doesn't Lorraine or George question why their son looks exactly like "Calvin Klein"?
- In Empire Strikes Back, how exactly does Luke get trained by Yoda in about 2 days...?
- In Transformers, why don't the Decepticons hack into Ebay and buy the glasses from Sam?
- How do the cars in Cars reproduce?
- In the new Star Trek movie, what are the odds of Kirk arriving to the exact planet where old Spock is?...
- In Edward Scissorhands, at the end, he's carving ice sculptures... how did he managed to get the ice up there when he can barely grab a fork?
- In The Dark Knight, why do the police decide that a maniac like the Joker can be guarded by one dumb cop in the interrogation room?...
- In Terminator 2, how can the T-1000 travel in time when only organic tissue can do it, as established in the first movie?

I understand you didn't like the movie, but the reasoning behind it seems a bit "over-analyzing it" and quite "nitpicky" IMO

The difference is that TRON is not like ANY of those movies (a few of which are in my top 25). It tries really hard to be, by ripping off from nearly all of them. But it's not on par with ANY of those. It's more like Indiana Jones #4 than anything else, if you must compare.

I didn't like it because it wasn't well written, and I didn't care a whit for any of the characters or feel any threat whatsoever. This is entirely the fault of the screenwriters who seemed not to really care one way or another... "let's just write that in because it'll look awesome."

Again, the problem is they tried to cram WAY too much into 2 hours. Mini-series or TV show, in which they can explain stuff more in-depth? Sure, sign me up!

P.S. I LOVE movies. I take slight offense to anyone who says "Oh, you don't like [insert film here], you must not like many movies" I had a "good time" in Tron (besides being a bit bored at times). But that doesn't make a movie stand-out from my point of view - will I watch it again and again throughout my lifetime (or at least a 2nd time)? That's what makes a movie top my charts

 

[Kuzeh]

No seriously...
I understand this movie is not for everyone...
some critics call the story too simplistic... but IMO they just didn't get it...
The movie didn't connect with you, and that's not the screenwriters fault... simply some movies aren't for everyone,
Tron isn't a crowd-pleaser like let's say Avatar...

I understood everything that happened perfectly, but then again, I am a Tron fan...
I had a great time watching it! I've seen it twice already and this one is already one of my favorites of the year!
!



PS. I'll watch Black Swan this weekend as I am also an Aronofsky fan!

 

[Shatterer of Dreams]

If it wasn't for the effects in this movie I would have hated it - like Avatar. I'm a Tron fan, I own the original movie, used to have the toys when I was a kid, but it doesn't make me automatically like this movie - it still had to be good.

Don't get me wrong this movie is entertaining only because of the visuals and the amazing soundtrack but if this script was in the original Tron then I wouldn't have liked the original. It's irking me that I'm reading the original Tron was a "bad" movie, sorry but those who are saying that are wrong. At no point did I ever feel like I was really in a computer unlike the original. Like Dusty said it was an awesome music video, oh and that it seemed like The Dude was now in Tron and that was jarring a little since that is not exactly how the character was in the original.

Kuzeh you're taking someone not liking the film a little too personally, to say that you got the movie and that people who do not like it don't get it is slightly insulting. All you have to say is "ok, cool, you didn't like it".

I would rate this movie the same way I rated Avatar.........8/10 for visuals 2/10 for the script.

 

[ProgMatinee]

it would be great if everyone loved the movie and we got 6 sequels more, but in the end, I really don't care if someone liked it or not.

 

[Kuzeh]

If it wasn't for the effects in this movie I would have hated it - like Avatar. I'm a Tron fan, I own the original movie, used to have the toys when I was a kid, but it doesn't make me automatically like this movie - it still had to be good.

Don't get me wrong this movie is entertaining only because of the visuals and the amazing soundtrack but if this script was in the original Tron then I wouldn't have liked the original. It's irking me that I'm reading the original Tron was a "bad" movie, sorry but those who are saying that are wrong. At no point did I ever feel like I was really in a computer unlike the original. Like Dusty said it was an awesome music video, oh and that it seemed like The Dude was now in Tron and that was jarring a little since that is not exactly how the character was in the original.

Kuzeh you're taking someone not liking the film a little too personally, to say that you got the movie and that people who do not like it don't get it is slightly insulting. All you have to say is "ok, cool, you didn't like it".

I would rate this movie the same way I rated Avatar.........8/10 for visuals 2/10 for the script.

Wow, where did that come from?...
I didn't mean it as an insult... come on...
there's nothing wrong with not liking/connecting/understanding a movie...
I don't get the appeal of Harry Potter, it's not for me, and I don't get it... but I wouldn't feel insulted if somebody said to me I don't get it... it's true... I don't!
That's all I meant!
Sorry if it sounded condescending, it's wasn't the intention...
OK?

Are we cool?
!!

 

[KBA]

If Kevin Flynn and Sam are able to become digital (while keeping their human traits)

Does this mean, in the real world, she won't bleed blood, but instead have her pixels crumble off?

I can suspend belief long enough to enjoy the movie; I just wish some things were explored a little more. Show me a made up universe, and I'll dive right in. If you don't show enough, coming along for the ride can be harder.

Enjoyed the flick. 3.5/5

 

[KBA]

Oh, and the soundtrack was simply amazing. Daft Punk needs to score more movies

 

[Shatterer of Dreams]

Wow, where did that come from?...
I didn't mean it as an insult... come on...
there's nothing wrong with not liking/connecting/understanding a movie...
I don't get the appeal of Harry Potter, it's not for me, and I don't get it... but I wouldn't feel insulted if somebody said to me I don't get it... it's true... I don't!
That's all I meant!
Sorry if it sounded condescending, it's wasn't the intention...
OK?

Are we cool?
!!

we're cool, I have no beef with anyone here it just sounded a little condescending the way it was phrased is all. You didn't mean it that way so yeah it's all good.

 

[ProgMatinee]

Its sort of something that they purposely left you hanging on...I think they wanted us to be asking, "how did she make it into the real world?" and then in the next one, maybe its explained. We may never find out now though, if it doesn't have legs.

 

[CAhobbit]

I'm more in the Dusty camp with the film too. Visually pretty neat, loved the score, and loved certain moments of the film but the story was badly conveyed IMO. Although I realize the hope was that the movie would do well enough to garner at least one sequel, I really feel that should not have been the mindset of Disney going into the movie.

I have to think of the first 'Pirates of the Caribbean' film. Totally works as a one off (which was the intention for the film), but because of its fun factor and well told story (for the most part), the film garnered a following which led to more. This is how TRON Legacy should have been done IMO. Do one solid film and see how it goes. Instead we get a movie that has set-up after set-up after set-up for future films, which in turn created a rushed story, moments that had me scratching my head...

Spoiler

TRON just turning good and sinking away with nothing further was a missed opportunity, for example.

weak character development...

Spoiler

Kevin Flynn's flash moments of his young son, and the scene surrounding it, COULD have had an emotional punch if only we got a much better established relationship between them, like some kind of bonding time when Sam sees his father for the first time since he was a child. Instead we get a rushed dinner and then it's off to bed. Yet another missed opportunity in the film.

I can ignore the blatant rip offs from other films, but I can't ignore a story that just came across as jumbled and unfinished. The script REALLY needed some polishing up.

It's a very pretty film to look at and listen to, but it failed in the story telling department, which for me, brought it down into mediocre land.

 

[ProgMatinee]

i was ok with the character developement. I thought the intro with Kevin telling Sam the story was a great way to reintroduce the basics, and I felt the first half of the movie establishing who Sam is, what his motive is, was pulled off very well.

I did think the Flynn and Sam reunion was odd, not sure if that awkwardness was intentional, or bad writing.

 

[CelticPredator]

It did need more Tron. It's probably just the issue with the fact that doing 2 CGI characters is incredibly expensive. Hence why Tron was Rinzler, and wore a mask.

Even during his final stand, you bearly saw his face.

And the awkwardness was intentional I think. Or that's how I precived it. It worked for me.

And I agree a bit with Alex....I did feel an emotional moment with the short flashback when Flynn was about to die, but at the same time, they could've had more...and I think they did. Things were probably cut out because it IS a bit too long for kids.

Movie aint perfect...but it's incredibly fun. And I had a blast while I watched it.

 

[Dr.Mirakle32]

Just got back. I really enjoyed it! Story was interesting, had a good cast, some gorgeous women, good pacing and a terrific musical score.

I just had rock-bottom standards after being bored to tears with the original. This basically took what was good about the first one, and gave it a real story.

 

[CelticPredator]

What's funny is the original isnt boring. Like...at all.

 

[darthviper107]

What's funny is the original isnt boring. Like...at all.

But it makes up for it by being cheesy

 

[Dusty]

You liked Revenge of the Fallen!!!
Why would you care about story and following rules?
Bay said Megatron couldn't transform into a pistol due to some "matter cannot shrink" crap, yet the Cube does shrink?...
He said Megatron wouldn't be in TF2 yet there he was...
Transformers doesn't follow any rules either...

Actually, I have always said I loved the FIRST Transformers. I merely "enjoyed" the second. In fact, I've only seen that one once (saw the first 4 times). The first is a pretty near perfect summer blockbuster style film. The second, not even close. And that may very well be because the writers "cheated" in some of the ways you describe. I rank it higher than TRON: Legacy because of a few stand out scenes (the fall of Optimus, etc). Funny how both the leads are named Sam... and say what you will about him, but Shia's a way better actor than Garrett.