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So walking forward and swinging and missing by a few feet is attacking? :rotfl


Rd1 nothing much happened both held the other against the cage and machida landed some nice shots(mostly leg kicks)

Rd2 Rampage won.

Rd3 Machida won easily.

No no... thats what THEY probably thought not me. I felt the fight was more of a Draw then anything else. But these things happen. I still like Machida and hope he comes back in better form.
 
Karo Parisyan vs. Dennis Hallman


worst match of the night. I even question if it was a "legit" match.
 
after watching the Ramp fight again, i still easily go with 2-1 in favor of Ramp. No doubt in my mind. Machida only landed like 4 leg kicks in the first rd and didnt even throw hardly at all, while Ramp was moving forward the whole time, landed more punches, had him in the clinch, not landing much, but had multiple body shots and foot stomps while Machida did nothing.

in the 2nd, much of the same, Machida avoiding, not throwing a whole lot, let alone landing anything. Ramp didnt do much with the takedown, but still got it nonetheless and he also won the clinch battle again and was more aggressive.

the 3rd, was the more exciting round, Machida landed his flurry, then Ramp came back right after that. Machida didnt do anything on the ground either, but still had the control, and Ramp almost slammed him, so the takedown got him the win in that rd.
 
sorry but that is 50% truth. If Penn showed up against Edgar like he did tonight, Edgar wouldnt even have a puncher's chance. and THAT is the truth.

I've actually seen a few people saying that, and the problem is you guys are completely forgetting who Penn fought last night AND Penn's past going into the GSP II, Edgar fights.

Matt Hughes is the WW GOAT no doubt but he's not at the same level as GSP at this point in time. And there's no comparison between Hughes and Edgar as far as fighting styles at this point in time. Edgar is faster, his boxing is better and his movement/footwork is far superior.

Same Penn from last night vs. GSP, Penn loses like their last fight. Same Penn from last night vs. Edgar, Penn loses like their last fight.

Going into the GSP II fight Penn had just destroyed Sean Sherk (Top 5 LW) and won the LW title. He looked just as great and just as fired up as he did last night. GSP still whooped his ass.

Going into the first fight with Edgar Penn had just destroyed Kenny Florian AND Diego Sanchez and defended the LW title 2 times in a row. He looked just as great and just as fired up as he did last night. Edgar won a controversial Unanimous Decision but in the second fight there was no question, Edgar whooped his ass.

I stand by my statement. I think both GSP and Edgar are bad match-ups for Penn. Which is why he's 0-2 against each of them.

And why is that bad news?

BJ better start working on his cardio alot more cause he is going to need it.

^^^That's why nash.

Karo Parisyan vs. Dennis Hallman. worst match of the night. I even question if it was a "legit" match.

Blame it on Karo's former drug problem. He looked like a crackhead in there last night. :lol

*EDIT

Looks like Karo got cut from the UFC.. again.
 
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Karo Parisyan vs. Dennis Hallman


worst match of the night. I even question if it was a "legit" match.
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The Harris fight was pretty lame as well. Atleast the Karo fight ended in teh first round.

Blame it on Karo's former drug problem. He looked like a crackhead in there last night. :lol

*EDIT

Looks like Karo got cut from the UFC.. again.

Thats should have been obvious. He looked horrible in that fight. I think he just wanted some money.

Maybe Karo will be on Celebrity Rehab. :lol
 
I've actually seen a few people saying that, and the problem is you guys are completely forgetting who Penn fought last night AND Penn's past going into the GSP II, Edgar fights.

Matt Hughes is the WW GOAT no doubt but he's not at the same level as GSP at this point in time. And there's no comparison between Hughes and Edgar as far as fighting styles at this point in time. Edgar is faster, his boxing is better and his movement/footwork is far superior.

Same Penn from last night vs. GSP, Penn loses like their last fight. Same Penn from last night vs. Edgar, Penn loses like their last fight.

Going into the GSP II fight Penn had just destroyed Sean Sherk (Top 5 LW) and won the LW title. He looked just as great and just as fired up as he did last night. GSP still whooped his ass.

Going into the first fight with Edgar Penn had just destroyed Kenny Florian AND Diego Sanchez and defended the LW title 2 times in a row. He looked just as great and just as fired up as he did last night. Edgar won a controversial Unanimous Decision but in the second fight there was no question, Edgar whooped his ass.

I stand by my statement. I think both GSP and Edgar are bad match-ups for Penn. Which is why he's 0-2 against each of them.


As for GSP i agree with you completely.

With Edgar, I can't help but disagree. I think Penn has all the tools to beat Edgar, i just think he didnt go about it the right way. In other words, he came out with the wrong game-plan. You're right Edgar is faster and has just as good boxing as Penn (saying his boxing is better a bit of a stretch i think). BUt if Penn took him to the ground and neutralized Edgar's speed I think he'd easily still be LW champ today.

Hughes is getting old, and definitely not in his prime any more. but even at his age, when was the last time you saw someone knock him the F out like what Penn just did? Seriously....Matt Hughes.
 
As for GSP i agree with you completely.

With Edgar, I can't help but disagree. I think Penn has all the tools to beat Edgar, i just think he didnt go about it the right way. In other words, he came out with the wrong game-plan. You're right Edgar is faster and has just as good boxing as Penn (saying his boxing is better a bit of a stretch i think). BUt if Penn took him to the ground and neutralized Edgar's speed I think he'd easily still be LW champ today.

Hughes is getting old, and definitely not in his prime any more. but even at his age, when was the last time you saw someone knock him the F out like what Penn just did? Seriously....Matt Hughes.

I'm sorry I do not agree with you. I highly doubt BJ will EVER be able to defeat Frankie. He is too quick and too explosive for BJ. I do NOT think he would be able to take Edgar down and hold him down...just don't ever see it happening. BJ is Superman, Frankie is his Kryptonyte.

Matt Hughes looked OLD compared to BJ. He was sluggish compared to BJ...similar to how BJ was when he fought the speedy & explosive Edgar...I agree 21 second KO against Hughes is a HUGE deal. BJ's gonna have his hands FULL with Jon Fitch. He needs the performance of his life if he's gonna win that fight.
 
after watching the Ramp fight again, i still easily go with 2-1 in favor of Ramp. No doubt in my mind. Machida only landed like 4 leg kicks in the first rd and didnt even throw hardly at all, while Ramp was moving forward the whole time, landed more punches, had him in the clinch, not landing much, but had multiple body shots and foot stomps while Machida did nothing.

in the 2nd, much of the same, Machida avoiding, not throwing a whole lot, let alone landing anything. Ramp didnt do much with the takedown, but still got it nonetheless and he also won the clinch battle again and was more aggressive.

the 3rd, was the more exciting round, Machida landed his flurry, then Ramp came back right after that. Machida didnt do anything on the ground either, but still had the control, and Ramp almost slammed him, so the takedown got him the win in that rd.

I watched the fight 2xs as well and I saw it exactly as you did...2 rounds to 1 for Rampage. Aggression & Octagon Control won Rampage this fight.
 
Penn's first fight against Edgar was BS. If a fight is that close then to be the champ then you have to beat the champ, and Edgar did not do that. The second fight was clearly Edgar, but as sluggish as BJ looked I wouldn't doubt his being injured going into that fight. Edgar looked exactly the same and followed the exact same game plan whereas BJ moved completely awkward and with zero aggression.
Fitch's game plan in every fight is to get the take down and control the ground game, which BJ can nullify that with him because he is nowhere near the caliber of GSP, and BJ is the far superior striker of the two, so I don't see where he will have to "have the fight of his life to win that one".
I see BJ trying to build his confidence back up at WW before making his move back into LW to make another move at the title, whether it be against Edgar or Maynard.
 
Fitch's game plan in every fight is to get the take down and control the ground game, which BJ can nullify that with him because he is nowhere near the caliber of GSP, and BJ is the far superior striker of the two, so I don't see where he will have to "have the fight of his life to win that one".
I see BJ trying to build his confidence back up at WW before making his move back into LW to make another move at the title, whether it be against Edgar or Maynard.

Frankie won both fights. However the first was much closer than their 2nd meeting.

It's a fact that Jon Fitch is one of best in the world at implementing his gameplan. BJ has great Takedown Defense, but i'm not certain he will be able to stop Fitch's relentless takedowns. Jon is considerably larger and considerably stronger than BJ. I'm sorry I'm a huge fan of BJ but Jon Fitch is NOT the guy you attempt "to build up your confidence". He has ONE sole loss in the past 7 1/2 years, and that loss was to arguably the greatest pound for pound fighter in the world (GSP). It's gonna be an interesting matchup, but once again, if the undersized BJ Penn is gonna win, he must FIGHT THE FIGHT OF HIS LIFE, and be pretty much flawless.
 
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Frankie won both fights. However the first was much closer than their 2nd meeting.

It's a fact that Jon Fitch is one of best in the world at implementing his gameplan. BJ has great Takedown Defense, but i'm not certain he will be able to stop Fitch's relentless takedowns. Jon is considerably larger and considerably stronger than BJ. I'm sorry I'm a huge fan of BJ but Jon Fitch is NOT the guy you attempt "to build up your confidence". He has ONE sole loss in the past 7 1/2 years, and that loss was to arguably the greatest pound for pound fighter in the world (GSP). It's gonna be an interesting matchup, but once again, if the undersized BJ Penn is gonna win, he must FIGHT THE FIGHT OF HIS LIFE, and be pretty much flawless.

BJ has beat better fighters than Fitch, and putting your words in bold does not make your opinion any stronger
 
BJ has beat better fighters than Fitch, and putting your words in bold does not make your opinion any stronger

I disagree. BJ has not beaten fighters that are better than Jon Fitch.

here's a list of BJ's best wins:
Takanori Gomi
Matt Hughes 2xs
Renzo Gracie
Joe Stevenson
Sean Sherk
Kenny Florian
Diego Sanchez

Sorry braaa, Fitch would OWN everyone on that list.
 
I disagree. BJ has not beaten fighters that are better than Jon Fitch.

here's a list of BJ's best wins:
Takanori Gomi
Matt Hughes 2xs
Renzo Gracie
Joe Stevenson
Sean Sherk
Kenny Florian
Diego Sanchez

Sorry bro, Fitch would OWN everyone on that list.

That list is more impressive than Fitch's. Most of Fitch's wins over upper level fighters has been by decision, and Fitch has the talent to beat everyone on that list, but not OWN them. OK, braaaaaa :lol
 
If i were a betting man, i'd bet on Fitch for a decision victory over BJ Penn.

One, I would never bet on a fight because you never know who's going to show up, and two, Fitch damn near got knocked out by GSP and BJ is leagues above him in striking. He hung in against GSP, and though it's not putting down his talent, he really didn't do anything impressive against him. Fitch is tough, but other than Sanchez he really hasn't beat any household names. I honestly think Fitch and Koschek should have fought for that slot as a coach on TUF and the shot at GSP, which I think Koschek would have won due to his being a better striker. But anyway, the only way we'll know for sure is when they fight, and that's one I'd love to see.
 
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I'm sorry I do not agree with you. I highly doubt BJ will EVER be able to defeat Frankie. He is too quick and too explosive for BJ. I do NOT think he would be able to take Edgar down and hold him down...just don't ever see it happening. BJ is Superman, Frankie is his Kryptonyte.

Matt Hughes looked OLD compared to BJ. He was sluggish compared to BJ...similar to how BJ was when he fought the speedy & explosive Edgar...I agree 21 second KO against Hughes is a HUGE deal. BJ's gonna have his hands FULL with Jon Fitch. He needs the performance of his life if he's gonna win that fight.

you also have to take int account that even though he was on a 3 fight streak, he won those fights with his ground game, not his stand up, in fact, when was the last time he won a fight with his stand up? Theres no way in hell he was gonna beat BJ as slow as he is now with his stand up, but BJ's stand up is just way too much for him to handle, the same when he fought Alves as well, i just didnt expect it to end as quick as it did. Hughes vs. Shields could be interesting if that happened.

Penn's first fight against Edgar was BS. If a fight is that close then to be the champ then you have to beat the champ, and Edgar did not do that. The second fight was clearly Edgar, but as sluggish as BJ looked I wouldn't doubt his being injured going into that fight. Edgar looked exactly the same and followed the exact same game plan whereas BJ moved completely awkward and with zero aggression.
Fitch's game plan in every fight is to get the take down and control the ground game, which BJ can nullify that with him because he is nowhere near the caliber of GSP, and BJ is the far superior striker of the two, so I don't see where he will have to "have the fight of his life to win that one".
I see BJ trying to build his confidence back up at WW before making his move back into LW to make another move at the title, whether it be against Edgar or Maynard.

well its all about perspective. Most thought Shogun beat Machida the first time, and he didnt end up with the victory, so it works both ways, thats why there have been rematches right after and both times the rematches nolified who was truly the better fighter. I dont see BJ going back to LW unless Maynard beats Edgar cause the last time he fought for both titles (Edgar II and GSP II), he was completely dominated in every aspect. Fitch has shown hes capable of taking down just about anyone, and if he does, BJ is screwed cause like he said, the guys in WW are much stronger than in LW. It wont be the toughest fight for BJ against Fitch, but hes gonna have do to Fitch what he did to Hughes to win it.
 
You're right Edgar is faster and has just as good boxing as Penn (saying his boxing is better a bit of a stretch i think).

:lol Either I didn't write it right or you mis-read it but I was comparing Edgar and Hughes. Not Edgar and Penn. I agree with you, Edgar's boxing is just as good as Penn's (definitely not better). But when it comes to power: Penn > Edgar.. IMO.

BUt if Penn took him to the ground and neutralized Edgar's speed I think he'd easily still be LW champ today.

Penn had Edgar down at one point and he simply could not keep him there. So iunno about that.. I think it's easier said than done.

Hughes is getting old, and definitely not in his prime any more. but even at his age, when was the last time you saw someone knock him the F out like what Penn just did? Seriously....Matt Hughes.

True. Impressive win, but I just don't understand how people can see that and think Penn could do the same thing to Edgar or GSP (which is what I've been seeing from die hard Penn fans).
 
:lol Either I didn't write it right or you mis-read it but I was comparing Edgar and Hughes. Not Edgar and Penn. I agree with you, Edgar's boxing is just as good as Penn's (definitely not better). But when it comes to power: Penn > Edgar.. IMO.



Penn had Edgar down at one point and he simply could not keep him there. So iunno about that.. I think it's easier said than done.



True. Impressive win, but I just don't understand how people can see that and think Penn could do the same thing to Edgar or GSP (which is what I've been seeing from die hard Penn fans).

Screw you, Penn can walk on water. :lol

Edgar is just too fast. If Penn could have kept up with him, he'd still be champ.
 
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