UFC, etc.

[Devil_666]

Why the UFC has no HW's. Lesner and Mir, thats a joke.

The same way Forrest Griffin was a "Joke" for Shogun?

The same way Gabriel Gonzaga was a "Joke" for Cro Cop?

I see people respond with your answer all the time, and it cracks me up all the time. First response whenever ANYONE even dares to mention Fedor signing with the UFC is "why, there's no HW's there worth fighting" or some variant of that. Fedor has never fought in cage. People are quick to point out that "he trains in a cage" though. Yeah.. Cro Cop trained in a cage as well. Saw what happened to him in the UFC. If every fighter were as good as they are "in training" yeah we'd always have action packed cards. Training and actually fighting is 2 different things.

When I say Fedor needs to sign with the UFC, I'm not saying that based on there being a specific opponent in the UFC that he NEEDS to face. Far from it. No one can deny that the UFC is the #1 MMA promotion in the world right now. Unless you're a UFC-Hater. No other MMA promotion has as much talent or even close either. So how can someone be the absolute best, without fighting there at all!? And not only that, but flat out AVOIDING it?

Obviously it doesn't matter, we're just discussing and what not here. But I personally will always have doubts about Fedor until he fights in the UFC where:

We'll finally see how he does in a Cage and if he can adapt.

Someone OTHER THAN his management will pick who he fights.

He'll fight consistently, against guys who are doing something NOW as opposed to guys who did something significant in the PAST.

But the Best HW's out there are Barnett#2 and Fedor#1 so its equivalent to GSP v Silva.

No. GSP vs. B.J. Penn equaled the #1 WW vs. the #1 LW while both were champions in their divisions. If GSP fights A.Silva it will be the #1 WW vs. the #1 MW while both are champions in their divisions. Completely different.


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FYI: I've been hearing rumors that Fedor will most likely fight Monson next.. NOT Josh Barnett. So we'll see.

 

[LOTRFan]

I wonder who Shogun fights next.

Rampage?

 

[kobayashi93]

I'd like that. I'd also like to see him take on the winner of Griffin vs T. Silva.

 

[LOTRFan]

I'd like that. I'd also like to see him take on the winner of Griffin vs T. Silva.

That actually may be better, he soundly beat Rampage in Pride.

 

[915stag51]

I dont know what happened to Shogun, he used to be very explossive in Pride, now he tires out after the 1st round....

 

[Devil_666]

I dont know what happened to Shogun, he used to be very explossive in Pride, now he tires out after the 1st round....

Drug Tests.

That actually may be better, he soundly beat Rampage in Pride.

So did Wand. Twice.

Didn't matter in their third fight.



I'd like to see Shogun and Rampage fight again.

 

[LOTRFan]

Very true.

 

[NASEDO]

The same way Forrest Griffin was a "Joke" for Shogun?

The same way Gabriel Gonzaga was a "Joke" for Cro Cop?

I see people respond with your answer all the time, and it cracks me up all the time. First response whenever ANYONE even dares to mention Fedor signing with the UFC is "why, there's no HW's there worth fighting" or some variant of that. Fedor has never fought in cage. People are quick to point out that "he trains in a cage" though. Yeah.. Cro Cop trained in a cage as well. Saw what happened to him in the UFC. If every fighter were as good as they are "in training" yeah we'd always have action packed cards. Training and actually fighting is 2 different things.

When I say Fedor needs to sign with the UFC, I'm not saying that based on there being a specific opponent in the UFC that he NEEDS to face. Far from it. No one can deny that the UFC is the #1 MMA promotion in the world right now. Unless you're a UFC-Hater. No other MMA promotion has as much talent or even close either. So how can someone be the absolute best, without fighting there at all!? And not only that, but flat out AVOIDING it?

Obviously it doesn't matter, we're just discussing and what not here. But I personally will always have doubts about Fedor until he fights in the UFC where:

We'll finally see how he does in a Cage and if he can adapt.

Someone OTHER THAN his management will pick who he fights.

He'll fight consistently, against guys who are doing something NOW as opposed to guys who did something significant in the PAST.




No. GSP vs. B.J. Penn equaled the #1 WW vs. the #1 LW while both were champions in their divisions. If GSP fights A.Silva it will be the #1 WW vs. the #1 MW while both are champions in their divisions. Completely different.


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FYI: I've been hearing rumors that Fedor will most likely fight Monson next.. NOT Josh Barnett. So we'll see.

You crack me up, and its you thats makes no sense. Just re-read what you wrote. So EVERY fighter that DOESN'T fight in the UFC sucks, becuase the UFC is the most popular and has a cage, is this a joke.

Fedor Tried to sign and is actually meeting with Dana I think in July about fighting there. Why you hate the guy so much??? You must be a UFC-Nuthugger. The UFC is my Favorite but I respect and give credit to fighters outside the UFC. And Basically the UFC is all Pride Fighters where Fedor was, and won the Tournaments, far from picking opponents. You probably started watching MMA when the UFC came on spike.

GSP was asked who's P4P No.1 and his answer...Fedor. And thats from the UFC poster boy, but thats the answer from 90% of the fighters, what do they know.

 

[NASEDO]

I dont know what happened to Shogun, he used to be very explossive in Pride, now he tires out after the 1st round....

Didn't he just KO Chuck in the 1st Round. Great Fight. And Both were Aggressive.

 

[Devil_666]

You crack me up, and its you thats makes no sense. Just re-read what you wrote. So EVERY fighter that DOESN'T fight in the UFC sucks, becuase the UFC is the most popular and has a cage, is this a joke.

What in the blue hell are you babbling about!? I don't care about orgs and I have no affiliation to any. Same way you won't see me carrying on about who's better HT or Medicom or Enterbay etc. on here, you won't see me doing that with ANY companies. Because I don't care. But that has nothing to do with understanding what organizations are #1. NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB are all universally considered #1 regarding their respective sports. Just like UFC is regarding MMA.

Who said anything about people sucking if they don't fight in the UFC!? lmao. Does a street ball player "Suck" if they never play in the NBA? Nope. But will their name be mentioned concerning best Basketball players of all time? Nope. Because unless you compete in the #1 organization of your respective sport you're not considered.

Fedor Tried to sign and is actually meeting with Dana I think in July about fighting there.

That whole "Fedor is meeting with Dana in July" is BS. Dana White has already stated that. Dana said he's willing to meet with Fedor's people but the deal he offered BEFORE will be the same deal offered if and when that happens. The reason the whole deal collapsed in the first place genius is because: Fedor's management wanted a say in who Fedor fought, they wanted the UFC to sign some of Fedor's team mates, they wanted the UFC to co-promote with them (M-1) and they wanted Fedor to be able to compete in Combat Sambo. The UFC wouldn't agree to that.

Why you hate the guy so much??? You must be a UFC-Nuthugger. The UFC is my Favorite but I respect and give credit to fighters outside the UFC.

Who the hell said I hate Fedor? Or any fighter for that matter? Do you even know what you're going on about?

And Basically the UFC is all Pride Fighters where Fedor was, and won the Tournaments, far from picking opponents.

The UFC is basically all PRIDE fighters!? First, PRIDE is gone, sorry to break the news to you. Second: there's less than 20 fighters in the UFC who came over from PRIDE. So according to you I guess the UFC only has like 30 fighters then, right?

Won the Tournaments? With an "S"!? Seriously. You mean that 1 tournament he won in PRIDE? lmao. What does that have to do with him and his management picking opponents!? Did I say EVERY single fight he's ever had was against hand picked opponents? Nope. You just assumed that like everything else you typed.

You probably started watching MMA when the UFC came on spike.

I'm 32. How old are you?

GSP was asked who's P4P No.1 and his answer...Fedor. And thats from the UFC poster boy, but thats the answer from 90% of the fighters, what do they know.

And? So I'm not allowed to have an opinion on something because it's not popular!? GTFO. Seriously.. what does GSP's opinion have to do with mine? Should I disregard my opinion and my own thoughts from here on out and just blindly follow what other people think? Man.. you probably cried when the UFC bought PRIDE huh?

 

[sscalltheway]

The same way Forrest Griffin was a "Joke" for Shogun?

The same way Gabriel Gonzaga was a "Joke" for Cro Cop?

I see people respond with your answer all the time, and it cracks me up all the time. First response whenever ANYONE even dares to mention Fedor signing with the UFC is "why, there's no HW's there worth fighting" or some variant of that. Fedor has never fought in cage. People are quick to point out that "he trains in a cage" though. Yeah.. Cro Cop trained in a cage as well. Saw what happened to him in the UFC. If every fighter were as good as they are "in training" yeah we'd always have action packed cards. Training and actually fighting is 2 different things.

When I say Fedor needs to sign with the UFC, I'm not saying that based on there being a specific opponent in the UFC that he NEEDS to face. Far from it. No one can deny that the UFC is the #1 MMA promotion in the world right now. Unless you're a UFC-Hater. No other MMA promotion has as much talent or even close either. So how can someone be the absolute best, without fighting there at all!? And not only that, but flat out AVOIDING it?

Obviously it doesn't matter, we're just discussing and what not here. But I personally will always have doubts about Fedor until he fights in the UFC where:

We'll finally see how he does in a Cage and if he can adapt.

Someone OTHER THAN his management will pick who he fights.

He'll fight consistently, against guys who are doing something NOW as opposed to guys who did something significant in the PAST.




No. GSP vs. B.J. Penn equaled the #1 WW vs. the #1 LW while both were champions in their divisions. If GSP fights A.Silva it will be the #1 WW vs. the #1 MW while both are champions in their divisions. Completely different.


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FYI: I've been hearing rumors that Fedor will most likely fight Monson next.. NOT Josh Barnett. So we'll see.

True that. If Fedor wants to be the best with no doubts come into the UFC. I really do hate people who say Fedor will walk over all the people in the UFC. If you compare matchups (which don't really matter) you will see Fedor has beaten a bunch of UFC vets. Wonder why he didn't fight them in the UFC??? Because they were cut from the promotion's roster and didn't qualify to be the best in the world. If Fedor really will just walk through the UFC HWD then why doesn't he join to silence critics and fans alike?

I totally support Devil's post 100%

 

[sscalltheway]

O and the post about Rampage fighting Shogun will most likely happen but not for either man's next fight. Dana White and Joe Silva already confirmed with Rampage that he gets the winner of Machida vs. Evans. I really wouldn't like to see Shogun fight the winner of Forrest and Silva because a rematch i think is to soon and Shogun needs a better challenge then Silva.

 

[kobayashi93]

True that. If Fedor wants to be the best with no doubts come into the UFC. I really do hate people who say Fedor will walk over all the people in the UFC. If you compare matchups (which don't really matter) you will see Fedor has beaten a bunch of UFC vets. Wonder why he didn't fight them in the UFC??? Because they were cut from the promotion's roster and didn't qualify to be the best in the world. If Fedor really will just walk through the UFC HWD then why doesn't he join to silence critics and fans alike?

I totally support Devil's post 100%

Arlovski left cause they didn't want to pay him, not because of his losses. He won three UFC fights in a row before going to Affliction and EXC. He was on a 5 fight win streak when Fedor beat him.

Sylvia walked away cause he felt that he had fought everyone in the division, and that there was no point in him being there. So he left and got to fight Fedor. Who beat him faster and more dominant fashion than anyone before.

They didn't get cut. Coleman and Randleman did for sure, I'll agree with that.

Fedor will not fight in the UFC because they are not willing to pay him 1 mil for a single fight. Especially if it's for their title.

 

[LOTRFan]

Fedor will not fight in the UFC because they are not willing to pay him 1 mil for a single fight. Especially if it's for their title.

I thought it was also concerns over long-term contracts, I don't think he wants to be locked down for 8 or so bouts.

 

[kobayashi93]

I thought it was also concerns over long-term contracts, I don't think he wants to be locked down for 8 or so bouts.

Probably does. IMO I don't see why he would want to get locked down at this level. Affliction is paying him ridiculous money. If they go under another promotion that offers single fights will step in. His management may be shady, but they're pretty smart imo.

Why did Randy take that leave from the UFC to try to fight Fedor? He was on top at the time. And when he left, why didn't the UFC just release him and let him fight Fedor?

 

[Devil_666]

Arlovski left cause they didn't want to pay him, not because of his losses. He won three UFC fights in a row before going to Affliction and EXC. He was on a 5 fight win streak when Fedor beat him.

True. He wanted more money.

Sylvia walked away cause he felt that he had fought everyone in the division, and that there was no point in him being there.

NOT TRUE. I don't doubt that he may have said that at some point, but truthfully it was about money as well. Tim Sylvia hadn't even come close to fighting everyone in the UFC HW division and the biggest named fighters that Tim had fought, beat him. I mentioned this before: the biggest names on his record are in his loss column, not his win column.

So he left and got to fight Fedor. Who beat him faster and more dominant fashion than anyone before.

True, but Frank Mir beat Tim Sylvia in under a minute as well and just as easy. And in the end, it was more brutal because Mir broke Sylvia's arm. After Tim tapped to Fedor he was up with no problems because he tapped from the pain of Fedor applying pressure to his throat. Also a 40 yr. old + Randy Couture dominated Tim Sylvia for 5 straight rounds, like no one had before.

Fedor will not fight in the UFC because they are not willing to pay him 1 mil for a single fight. Especially if it's for their title.

Affliction is paying him ridiculous money.

Affliction pays Fedor $300,000 per fight, the rest comes from M-1. They pay the majority of his salary which puts him over the 1 million dollar mark. He would've been making MORE money in the UFC. His management has even confirmed that the negotiation break down had nothing to do with money because it would've been the most Fedor ever made per fight. Chuck makes 1 million+ for his fights JUST from the UFC, and Dana White confirmed if Fedor had signed he would've been the highest paid fighter in the UFC.

Why did Randy take that leave from the UFC to try to fight Fedor? He was on top at the time.

Randy originally left because he found out HOW MUCH money Fedor was being offered by the UFC. And he took it as a sign of disrespect because he was their champ, had put in the years, had done everything he could for the company and he still wasn't making as much as like Chuck Liddell or as much as what Fedor (an outsider) was being offered.

And when he left, why didn't the UFC just release him and let him fight Fedor?

Because the UFC had a contract. No company in the world would've allowed that. Randy was basically unhappy about his pay, so he wanted to break his contract by pretending to retire with the plan to come out of that fake retirement just to fight Fedor for more money. That's shady.

 

[kobayashi93]

Even if Tim left because he wanted more money, my point still stands. He didn't get cut for losing.

Yes, M1 does promotion efforts with Affliction and pays a large part of his purse. Either way he still makes more for single fights. Of course the UFC says they will offer him more money. Which doesn't make sense to me cause they always say how bad he sucks in public. Fedor's stock goes up as long as he doesn't lose. He's not going to lock it down with a contract.

The UFC was scared to release Randy cause they thought their champ would lose. That and they didn't want another promotion signing one of the biggest fights in MMA history.

 

[Devil_666]

Even if Tim left because he wanted more money, my point still stands. He didn't get cut for losing.

Oh no, I agree 100%. He wasn't cut.

Yes, M1 does promotion efforts with Affliction and pays a large part of his purse. Either way he still makes more for single fights. Of course the UFC says they will offer him more money. Which doesn't make sense to me cause they always say how bad he sucks in public. Fedor's stock goes up as long as he doesn't lose. He's not going to lock it down with a contract.

He doesn't kobayashi93. It's not just the UFC who said they'd pay him more, his management said that as well. The UFC doesn't need Fedor. He doesn't sell PPV's. That's a fact. He's headlined the last 2 Affliction cards and both were below mediocre in the PPV buy rate department. Both those shows LOST money. He's simply not a draw in North America.

The UFC was scared to release Randy cause they thought their champ would lose. That and they didn't want another promotion signing one of the biggest fights in MMA history.

It's fine to think that, but you're seeing it on a small scale. You're not seeing the bigger picture. When you see the bigger picture, you realize it had absolutely NOTHING to do with what you're saying. Big Picture: ALL contracts would be useless in ALL forms of business because people could just fake retirement and then re-work again shortly after.

 

[kobayashi93]

Randy didn't want to retire, he made it quite public that he wanted to fight just not in the UFC. If he did want to retire I could see why the UFC would hold him under contract. Two completely different situations.

 

[Devil_666]

Randy didn't want to retire, he made it quite public that he wanted to fight just not in the UFC. If he did want to retire I could see why the UFC would hold him under contract. Two completely different situations.

He resigned under the false premise that he was retiring. That's what he told the UFC: that he was no longer going to fight anymore. Which is why initially the UFC said it was fine. It wasn't until his real intentions were made public (that he just wanted out of his contract to fight Fedor for more money) that the UFC took legal action.