Wolverine Origins (Spoilers/Discussion)

[Booyah!]

Just a quick question... Why were two Canadian immortals (James and Victor/Wolverine and Sabertooth) fighting in so many American conflicts for the U.S. army in the opening montage?

'Cause it would've made for a boring opening montage if they were just sitting there drinking Molson and going "eh".

Sometimes I forget Canada exists


J/K !

 

[Deckard]

Everyone knows that the Canadians love to get involved in American wars.

Ok I just seem to hear the same 2 bull^^^^ things in defence of this movie.

1. Its just a fun summer comic book movie.

2. They alter everyones origins.


Sorry but thats total bs. Its 2009, when we've had movies like The Dark Knight and Spiderman 3 that DOMINATE the box office, and make more then any other serious films, you don't get to use the fun movie defence, That wasn't Fox's intentions, they wanted to make a good movie. Not just a fun one.

Yea they alter alot of origins. Heres the problem. Its not called Wolverine. Its called X-Men ORIGINS : Wolverine. Origins, its there in the title. I dunno what else to tell you.

Its like instead of Batman's parents being murdered, they just had a fat kid knock some ice cream out of Bruce's hands and thats why he becomes Batman. And then instead of fighting people, he just goes around telling criminals that murder isn't very nice.

I hear if you look really closely, theres a scene in the Weapon X facility where they have Wolverine's balls suspended in a jar.


Hulk Vs Wolverine 9/10
Wolverine Video Game 7/10
Wolverine Origins 2.5/10 That aint wolverine.

 

[Moonloop]

Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I enjoyed the movie throughly and thought it was a great fun film!

I never expected it to be on par with Batman Begins or anything, I expected it to simply be a good film version of telling Wolverine's origin. And it was, it was done nicely and I really liked it. I can look past the fact about how they ^^^^ed up Deadpool, because the movie was about Wolverine. And honestly, I don't care about Deadpool that much. I love Hugh Jackman as Wolverine, he is awesome!

BTW, are the only two secret endings the one where Deadpool says "shhhhh" and the one where Logan says he is drinking to remember?

 

[Morbach]

Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I enjoyed the movie throughly and thought it was a great fun film!

I never expected it to be on par with Batman Begins or anything, I expected it to simply be a good film version of telling Wolverine's origin. And it was, it was done nicely and I really liked it. I can look past the fact about how they ^^^^ed up Deadpool, because the movie was about Wolverine. And honestly, I don't care about Deadpool that much. I love Hugh Jackman as Wolverine, he is awesome!

BTW, are the only two secret endings the one where Deadpool says "shhhhh" and the one where Logan says he is drinking to remember?

I agree with you. I never expected it to be Batman Begins or The Dark Knight and it wasn't better than them but I liked this movie still. Hugh Jackman plays a badass Wolverine.

 

[CelticPredator]

You're exaggerating the Wolverine dialogue. I'm not. And seriously, explain the difference between the cube shrinking and Megatron shrinking. You brought it up.
I don't care at all what you think of G1 or Bayformers. I'm just genuinely confused by your continual bashing of the movie. You admitted that you didn't know anything about Deadpool but that didn't stop you from going on and on about how terrible it is how they ruined such an awesome character, how you were pissed because you wanted to see Deadpool in the movie.
You're just grinding an axe. Exaggerating to make it all seem worse than it is. You tell people in other threads to stop bashing and move on. Why doesn't it apply to you?

When did I say that last part?


Anyway, put aside Deadpool.

I hated how pointless every single character in the movie was. I hated how they set up Wolvie to be a horrible person...when he really wasnt that bad.

I hated how nothing seemed to flow right at all. I just didnt enjoy the movie at all.

Even if Deadpool was in his costume, i'd still hate the movie...cuz I didnt like it. Because it isnt good.

Niether is Transformers....but it's FUN.

 

[Deckard]

I also was not expecting it to be on par with Batman, all I'm saying there is, that is whats set the bar in it's genre. Not every movie has to be really dark and gritty, but this was Wolverine, not Fantastic Four, they cheapened and weakened his character to appeal to a mass audience which wasn't neccassary, we all already knew this guy and what his deal was. I mean it's not like parents with little kids were going, "this may be as violent as Watchmen so were not going." I feel like he didn't live up to what was already established for his character, and that overall, this was just really poorly handled. When you have 3 movies worth of a guy, you up the stakes for the 4th, like rambo 4, just not anywhere near as graphic as that.

Hugh is the best thing in the movie, but they never really let him off the leash and the story hurts alot of what he does with the character.

 

[CelticPredator]

Yep. X-2 was dark and violent as hell....Magneto ripped the pins off of the gaurd's granades!

Wolvie in the mansion? Holy ^^^^! Thats what I wanted. Him going BESERK.

 

[The Mike]

Here is the thing about Wolverine being an animal. It makes sense that he wouldn't be feral because he is for all intents and purposes still intact. Most of what brought his rage was dealing with frustration of not knowing his past and taking it out on everyone who was dumb enough to cross him. This film will do well enough to launch a sequel and that is where you'd need to show that to keep the integrity of the character, he wouldn't act exactly the same after going through all of this.

What this film didn't really do well is leave it open for newcomers, you had to have watched the previous films to really get what occurred here which is bad form (again not on the film itself but the screenwriters and director)

-Nothing was noted how James went from sickly little kid to well...Wolverine.
-Nothing was noted that its the healing factor is what kept them immortal.
-Nothing was noted that they were Canadians who fled to America (which was new to this but never noted)
-Nothing was ever noted how Professor X found them
-Nothing was ever noted how or why Wolverine went by Logan and Striker called him that even though he was around Victor when he was calling him "Jimmy" 9,000 times.
etc, etc, etc.

There are a bunch of them where fans like us know it and can watch and continue without much fanfare but for the casual fan like my sister-in-law (who liked the film) it meant she had to ask a lot of questions to gain understanding.

Oh and I loved the opening montage. Much better than the useless graphics done in films like Spider-Man or even the first X-Men.

 

[CelticPredator]

Spider-Man had one of the best opening titles ever....:

He needed to be me more feral. He needed to cut people to bits. THATS what was hinted at in X-2.

If they wanted it to be a stand alone, they shouldnt have had Hugh Jackman in it. Because now it was a prequel....and as a prequel, it doesnt match up with the other films.

 

[IrishJedi]

It's because Fox has no balls. So neither does this film.

 

[Buttmunch]

Few things I noticed:

-Deadpool shouldn't have been able to bend his arms when the blades weren't out. They are longer than his forearms so he wouldn't have been able to bend his elbows like Wolverine.

- Wolverine should now have two bullet holes in his skull. The adamantium doesn't heal right, so there would be the two holes left over that wouldn't ever heal up. And possibly some chips or other areas where he was also shot with the adamantium bullets.

 

[CelticPredator]

That whole thing was retarded. The game actually did it better....they had Stryker say "We have his DNA for 11...terminate him..."

Which works better then "Erase his mind."

The trama from the proceedure should've done that for him.

 

[The Mike]

The secret ending where his hand "walks" itself to his head doesn't make sense either because he was beheaded but what made his body break apart into pieces?

If you really focus on the plotholes you'll tear apart a movie, every film has them including Iron Man, The Dark Knight, etc.

 

[Chapter 2099]

has this been shown....
Man.. I haven't seen this movie but this guy makes me laugh.

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WTF

I couldn't even finish watching this. This movie review is coming from a guy with a Sweeney Todd poster in his room....Need I say more?

And it seems like half of the video is him just repeating the words: "Oh, my God."

 

[CelticPredator]

I'm focusing on the bad characters, and story...like I said.

The little plot holes didnt bother me. But big one's do.

Gambit ends up on the roof? Alright...stupid, but so what.

It's the fact that to me, the whole movie felt pointless...I mean, nothing was accomplished.....prequel or not, it felt like a waste of time.

 

[CelticPredator]

I couldn't even finish watching this. This movie review is coming from a guy with a Sweeney Todd poster in his room....Need I say more?

Sweeny Todd is great.

 

[Mooncat]

I liked it until I started reading this thread

 

[YoNoSe]

When did I say that last part?

I can't be bothered searching to quote you but you've said it repeatedly, probably in ref to TDK.
Regardless, you're just repeating yourself ad nauseum. Have fun if that's your bag.

 

[YoNoSe]

- Wolverine should now have two bullet holes in his skull. The adamantium doesn't heal right, so there would be the two holes left over that wouldn't ever heal up. And possibly some chips or other areas where he was also shot with the adamantium bullets.

I was thinking the same thing. Obviously they're not terribly concerned with continuity.
I wish he had shot me with an ad bullet so I could forget the bullet plot device.

 

[CelticPredator]

I can't be bothered searching to quote you but you've said it repeatedly, probably in ref to TDK.
Regardless, you're just repeating yourself ad nauseum. Have fun if that's your bag.

I did? I dont remember.....maybe that was when I let other people's opinions effect me personally.

Now, I dont.

Dont like the movie? So what. Like the movie? Good for you!

Can't wait till Star Trek comes out so I can jump off discussing this movie, and get on the USS Enterprise....until the big mother ^^^^er of a movie known as Terminator Salvation comes out.