Wolverine Origins (Spoilers/Discussion)

[Dr.Mirakle32]

Here is the thing about Wolverine being an animal. It makes sense that he wouldn't be feral because he is for all intents and purposes still intact. Most of what brought his rage was dealing with frustration of not knowing his past and taking it out on everyone who was dumb enough to cross him. This film will do well enough to launch a sequel and that is where you'd need to show that to keep the integrity of the character, he wouldn't act exactly the same after going through all of this.

What this film didn't really do well is leave it open for newcomers, you had to have watched the previous films to really get what occurred here which is bad form (again not on the film itself but the screenwriters and director)

-Nothing was noted how James went from sickly little kid to well...Wolverine.
-Nothing was noted that its the healing factor is what kept them immortal.
-Nothing was noted that they were Canadians who fled to America (which was new to this but never noted)
-Nothing was ever noted how Professor X found them
-Nothing was ever noted how or why Wolverine went by Logan and Striker called him that even though he was around Victor when he was calling him "Jimmy" 9,000 times.
etc, etc, etc.

There are a bunch of them where fans like us know it and can watch and continue without much fanfare but for the casual fan like my sister-in-law (who liked the film) it meant she had to ask a lot of questions to gain understanding.

Oh and I loved the opening montage. Much better than the useless graphics done in films like Spider-Man or even the first X-Men.

Here's hoping for an extended cut that would fix most of those problems and give the film a little more room to breathe, though I doubt it.

 

[J-Wild]

Well, the movie def had it's problems, but I actually liked it. Granted, I was going in with low expectations, but I thought it was pretty entertaining. May be one reason I liked it is because I'm not a huge Marvel comics reader, so I don't really know how badly they butchered the characters...but I definitely liked it better than X-Men 3. That' still my least fave of the XM movies.

 

[IrishJedi]

Can't wait till Star Trek comes out so I can jump off discussing this movie, and get on the USS Enterprise....until the big mother ^^^^er of a movie known as Terminator Salvation comes out.

This movie really isn't even worth all of this discussion. I'm done.

 

[DarthNeil]

Everyone knows that the Canadians love to get involved in American wars.

Unless it's in Vietnam or Iraq...

Oh, but thanks for showing up to WWI & WWII well after the Canadians were stuck into both from the beginning.

The problems in this movie are that it was an amalgamation of every tired action movie cliche-- from the lines to the camera work ("Khan" scream... right stuff walk of the elite uber secret corps... etc...etc...)-- and worse it took too many characters and tossed them onto the screen poorly underdeveloped or in Deadpool's case re-imagined for the sake of a Hollywood movie... and I'd put the forthcoming G.I.Joe movie as another example of this type of film-- and that ain't a good thing.

If I could've turned off my comic-lovin' brain or the other memory section of my brain that had not already taken in this movie (in mini doses) hundreds of times over then I might've enjoyed this popcorn flick, but we've been spoiled with directors "getting it right" and these sad attempts, by a room full of suits, to gouge the geek's pocketbook and still reach the mainstream are starting to fail miserably due to the success of Iron-Man and The Dark Knight honouring the source material and nailing it.

Well-- Can't wait the five more days until Star Trek.

 

[Deckard]

Oh, but thanks for showing up to WWI & WWII well after the Canadians were stuck into both from the beginning.

No problem, just keep that round bacon coming.

I just don't see why they couldn't have shown them landing with canadians at Juno or Sword beach instead. It's not like that service wouldn't still be documented in a military record.

 

[DarkArtist81]

Well, in the comics.... Logan fought in several US wars, after he fled Canada when he killed his Father. So the opening made sense to me, I didn't think twice about it. Especially considering that Victor would have been instantly attracted to any excuse to kill people. It wasn't about a flag, it was about mayhem. James (or Logan) would have been there primarily to watch over Victor....

 

[DarthNeil]

Well, in the comics.... Logan fought in several US wars, after he fled Canada when he killed his Father. So the opening made sense to me, I didn't think twice about it. Especially considering that Victor would have been instantly attracted to any excuse to kill people. It wasn't about a flag, it was about mayhem. James (or Logan) would have been there primarily to watch over Victor....

I agree... as a Canuck I'm just looking for an excuse to wave the flag. The opening montage to get through so much exposition was good in my opinion and so was Shrieber's (sp?) performance as Victor/Sabertooth... but as I said earlier, for me, the negative far outweighed the positive.

 

[The Ween]

I loved it!!

 

[CelticPredator]

Here's hoping for an extended cut that would fix most of those problems and give the film a little more room to breathe, though I doubt it.

if there was, you would've seen it in the final cut.

 

[Natrix]

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[cerealkeller]

Pete rules And even though Wolverines is not my favorite comic character, he's up there and that pretty much sums up how i feel.

 

[GDZILLA95]

Few things I noticed:

-Deadpool shouldn't have been able to bend his arms when the blades weren't out. They are longer than his forearms so he wouldn't have been able to bend his elbows like Wolverine.

- Wolverine should now have two bullet holes in his skull. The adamantium doesn't heal right, so there would be the two holes left over that wouldn't ever heal up. And possibly some chips or other areas where he was also shot with the adamantium bullets.

The movie was not GREAT, but I enjoyed it. The one thing that I did not like is the whole deal with the Adamantium bullets as Buttmunch pointed out above..

 

[The Ween]

Few things I noticed:

-Deadpool shouldn't have been able to bend his arms when the blades weren't out. They are longer than his forearms so he wouldn't have been able to bend his elbows like Wolverine.

- Wolverine should now have two bullet holes in his skull. The adamantium doesn't heal right, so there would be the two holes left over that wouldn't ever heal up. And possibly some chips or other areas where he was also shot with the adamantium bullets.

Wouldn't his skin heal over them so you wouldn't see them? Maybe it would somehow meld together?

 

[HdoubleD]

Just checked it out. 4/10

1) "Deadpool" was a mockery. Why they couldnt just have him keep the katanas for the last fight?? It is retarded. How do you sew deadpools mouth?? Thats his whole character.... Its like they went out of thier way to mess up the character. And giving him optic blast??

2) What was clops even doing in the movie?? It causes a cont. problem because then why dosent Scott remember logan when he meets him in the first X film?? Blob??? Frost??? Shameless name dropping.

3) Some of the effects looked terrible for a 150 million dollar production. Logan looking at his painfully obvious cgi claws in the bathroom stood out like a sore tumb, as did destroying the fire escape in the alley.

4) Gambits New Orleans accent was terrible. Some sentences, he'd attemp to use it and in others he spoke with no accent at all. His whole part was a huge letdown. Gambit in this film def. has the "Spidey 3 Venom syndrome", that is a popular character thrown into a movie that they have no place in to take advantage of hypebeast, while they only min resemble the source material.

 

[The Mike]

2) What was clops even doing in the movie?? It causes a cont. problem because then why dosent Scott remember logan when he meets him in the first X film?? Blob??? Frost??? Shameless name dropping.

While it doesn't excuse it, Cyclops never actually sees Logan because of the heavy blinders he wears throughout the facility. I haven't watched X1 in a while but I don't think he actually has an interaction with Sabretooth there but even if he did the look is so drastically different he wouldn't remember.

There are contradictions with the franchise but they did make sure that the character interactions were noted so they didn't.

 

[CelticPredator]

It sorta feels like Sabes and Cyke have been fighting for a while in X-1....but that really doesnt matter....Cyke really had no point....meh.

 

[EVILFACE]

The FX were terrible, especially the kids running the copter at the end.

I heard there were 3 different credit endings, is that true? The one I saw was "deadpool" going shhhhhh.

 

[Buttmunch]

Wouldn't his skin heal over them so you wouldn't see them? Maybe it would somehow meld together?

Yeah the skin healed over as would his real skull, but the metal covering the bones should always have that hole in it now since the healing factor doesn't work on the added metal. So he would have 2 small weak spots in his forehead with no visable sign. Not much of a problem, but they should have shown up in the X-Ray in X-men 1.

 

[Buttmunch]

The FX were terrible, especially the kids running the copter at the end.

I heard there were 3 different credit endings, is that true? The one I saw was "deadpool" going shhhhhh.

I think just 2 and then the Stryker mid-credit one. The 2 after the credits are either the Deadpool one (I saw this one) and Wolverine in a Japanese Bar (didn't see this one except on Youtube). You get one or the other of those two. Weird.

 

[CelticPredator]

The FX were terrible, especially the kids running the copter at the end.

I heard there were 3 different credit endings, is that true? The one I saw was "deadpool" going shhhhhh.

Theres one where Stryker is walking down a road, and another military vehicle picks him up, and some dude wants to question him about the murder of that other guy Stryker killed.

And the last one is Logan in a bar in Japan. The waitress asks him if he's drinking to forget...he says he's drinking to remember...