X-Men: Apocalypse - May 27, 2016

[EVILFACE]

Zack Snyder is going to release Order 66.

 

[jye4ever]

He already did on WB's box office.

 

[karamazov80]

Superman is easily replaceable by Captain Carrot, though.

 

[Victοr]

Well, honestly, Hopeman is just a straight and a tad more serious Apollo at this point. Same goes for Batman and Midnighter...

 

[karamazov80]

https://www.latimes.com/entertainme...nger-xmen-apocalypse-20160526-snap-story.html

Sounds like Singer the director is interested in moving on to something else. But he was also consciously trying to set the stage for what's to come with this film.

 

[JAWS]

Today's GA wants safe, generic summer fare disguised as serious, inspired filmmaking.

Iron Man 3, Thor: TDW, AOU, CW....the trailers for those movies made them look like masterpieces.

Disney knows how to sell tickets.

The only movies that have been honest with their marketing were GOTG & Ant-Man which delivered exactly what the packaging claimed they would.

Civil War actually looked like a war movie in those trailers.

I thought CW delivered what the trailer promised. A great and entertaining Marvel movie. I did not expect anyone to die... Nor would I want anyone to die.. No reason for it really. I thought the consequences were there... Tony lost a friend and Cap was / is out of the Avengers and a criminal. Killing off Cap just to bring him back for IW would have been dumb and a poor choice IMO.

Exactly. Its not a bad movie nor is it the masterpiece the MCU lovers are making it out to be.

Its a good, fun popcorn movie perfect for Feige's safe MCU.

At this point I'm starting to think TWS was a fluke that The Russos somehow got past Feige and co.'s strict kid-friendly guidelines.

What do people want from these films?? I mean I read Marvel comics and while I know some of them can get dark they are for the most part a pretty light affair. Admittedly I was not a Cap comic guy so perhaps those get dark, I don't know. Hulk comics (my main read) tend to avoid major deaths (and bring back those who do die). These are comic movies... Does a main hero have to die to make it real "art" That is silly IMO. Plenty of people die in the MCU. They just tend to be the bad guys and their minions.

I'm 100% convinced that Nick Fury's miraculous "Hey, he's really alive!" was all Feige's doing. I mean, at least they waited for a year of so for a TV show (AOS) before robbing all of the emotional weight from Coulson's "death" in THE AVENGERS. In TWS, they bring Fury back in the same damn movie! That's absolutely its one big flaw, imho. Because it rings completely hollow.... you can just FEEL that the movie really wanted to kill him off, but wasn't allowed to.

If you don't watch the TV show and ignore it as canon then Coulson is still dead

As for Killing Fury I am happy they did not kill him off. I would have been waiting movie after movie for him to come back

Besides that I like the character and want to see more.

Yup Feige is so evil that he allowed the Russo's to make 2 great superhero movies, damn that man.

Many movie sites reported that the problem isn't Feige, it was his boss Perlmutter who is now gone.

Even if it is Feige so what, every movie made will always have studio interference, it can't be Hollywood without that taking place.

Look at the PT, no one stepped in to interfere and looked how they turned out.

Sometimes producers from the studios actually help make a movie better.

Fury Road was taken over by the producers for awhile and it received high praise.

I have no issue with what the MCU has been doing. Not all the films are homeruns... It would almost be impossible to do that. But I would say that all have been good to great entertainment.

I keep hearing them being called really good popcorn flicks... Exactly!!! That is what they should be. Why should they be more? If I want something more serious I will watch a depressing drama or something. When watching these films I want action, excitement and fun. Marvel has delivered.

X-men movies try and take it too a more serious level and I think they fail a bit and are not nearly as fun or as watchable as the MCU films. I like them but they are flawed even more then the MCU films.

"Deadpool, the movie you have to be 17 years old to see but 16 years old to appreciate." That about sums it up.

I liked Deadpool but I agree it was not the cinematic masterpiece some want it to be. It's great that is was close to the comic... But many of the jokes fell flat and where eye rolling. It's not that the humor was juvenile... I like that kind of Humor. It just was not that well written humor IMO.

 

[Khev]

I think if they can't off major characters after a 17 movie buildup to a galactic threat then they'll never have any credible stakes to speak of going forward. And it would be silly if Ultron was more lethal than Thanos. But at this point I'm sure the Russos will deliver regardless of who lives or dies.

With regard to replacing Tony Stark, was Iron Pepper a big thing in the comics? Maybe Paltrow could wear the armor for a couple movies.

 

[Khev]

What do people want from these films?? I mean I read Marvel comics and while I know some of them can get dark they are for the most part a pretty light affair. Admittedly I was not a Cap comic guy so perhaps those get dark, I don't know.

No darker than the films. For over 30 years (1968-2002) Cap killed all of two bad guys; one vampire and one terrorist (and he was pretty bothered about the terrorist.) The body count in the Russo films is much, much higher than the comics so anyone who complains that their films are sanitized or for kids or whatever just isn't very familiar with the source material.

 

[JAWS]

I'll take something ambitious and chaotic done out of respect for the source any day over something censored and restrained to appease children and sell toys.

Nice try with that "you gotta be 16 to appreciate Deadpool" bit though. I hate to break it to you, but its your beloved MCU that's being made first and foremost for the high school crowd.

Hey some of the greatest movies ever sold toys.. Star Wars anyone?

Deadpool IMO was more of a teenager film IMO. Just because of the Humor and style. I would have freaking loved it when I was 15.

Of course I would have loved the MCU films also... But I think Many of the MCU films will age much better then Deadpool. In fact I think they already have as I found my second viewing of Deadpool to be much much less satisfying.

The MCU films are aimed at the whole family and many of them are fun and easy to watch over and over.


I like some dark elements to my films.. I am a horror buff so I don't mind some dark and dread.. Its just not the place for it in the MCU Imo.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I think if they can't off major characters after a 17 movie buildup to a galactic threat then they'll never have any credibly stakes going forward. And it would be silly if Ultron was more lethal than Thanos. But at this point I'm sure the Russos will deliver regardless of who lives or dies.

With regard to replacing Tony Stark, was Iron Pepper a big thing in the comics? Maybe Paltrow could wear the armor for a couple movies.

With the Infinity Gauntlet anything is possible, so even if Thanos kills everyone, they can be brought back using the IG. I still have no idea how Thanos is going to fit in in these films. I can't picture him on earth fighting the Avengers, but I also can't picture the Avengers in space either. How do they even fight someone like Thanos? I better not see Black Widow and Hackeye somehow fighting against Thanos. They better hide like Batman did against DD.

 

[jye4ever]

JAWS gets it.

 

[karamazov80]

Yeah, personally I think of all comic book movies, even the Nolan films, as "popcorn movies." You go to get entertained for a couple of hours. None of these are Maus. There's a time and place for genuinely heavy comic-related experiences (I wouldn't say entertainment if you're talking Maus), but it's not usually what I want to hone in on during my brief times I have available to watch a movie.

No darker than the films. For over 30 years (1968-2002) Cap killed all of two bad guys; one vampire and one terrorist (and he was pretty bothered about the terrorist.) The body count in the Russo films is much, much higher than the comics so anyone who complains that their films are sanitized or for kids or whatever just isn't very familiar with the source material.

In the Brubaker run (which was after 2002), Cap kills a few terrorists. And he had no real qualms about it. But it's true that Cap isn't a guy who runs around killing baddies left and right in the comics. And typically he'll do what he can to minimize the loss of life.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

I think if they can't off major characters after a 17 movie buildup to a galactic threat then they'll never have any credible stakes to speak of going forward. And it would be silly if Ultron was more lethal than Thanos. But at this point I'm sure the Russos will deliver regardless of who lives or dies.

With regard to replacing Tony Stark, was Iron Pepper a big thing in the comics? Maybe Paltrow could wear the armor for a couple movies.

Rescue? I think it's still a thing in the comics

 

[Khev]

In the Brubaker run (which was after 2002), Cap kills a few terrorists. And he had no real qualms about it. But it's true that Cap isn't a guy who runs around killing baddies left and right in the comics. And typically he'll do what he can to minimize the loss of life.

Yeah Brubaker's Cap was darker but was technically a continuation of the rebooted Marvel Knights Cap from 2002. Pretty much a different character from the 1968-2002 version, just as the 1968 Cap was a reboot of the 1941 Timely Comics version.

 

[Khev]

Daisy Ridley as the next Iron Man.

 

[YoNoSe]

No darker than the films. For over 30 years (1968-2002) Cap killed all of two bad guys; one vampire and one terrorist (and he was pretty bothered about the terrorist.) The body count in the Russo films is much, much higher than the comics so anyone who complains that their films are sanitized or for kids or whatever just isn't very familiar with the source material.

Or just desperate to set up a cardboard target that their precious can knock down.

I truly can't take any of the anti-Marvel/pro-Fox or WB arguments when the movies from those other studios are doing everything Marvel is criticized for even worse. Aside from The DARK TONE. Which is apparently important to some people.

To date, even with the takeback, Coulson's death was the most effective in any modern CBM I can remember. I've read fans discredit that but applaud BvS killing a Superman no-one liked for about 15 minutes.

I guess I just don't fit in any of the trenches.

I didn't even realize

Spoiler

Havok

was dead until it was explained later. It actually reminded me of the X3 "Cyclops is dead *shrug*" that everyone hated so much. And even when I realized it...who cares?

I dunno. Might be time for me to cash in my chips re: CBMs. I truly contemplated walking out of this one but stuck it out. The audience cheered at the end*.

*The cheers may have been related to the texts and social media updates they were sending and receiving non-stop during the film. This was the first time I was ever bothered enough to tell someone to turn their phone off.

 

[jye4ever]

I wonder why they went to the trouble of giving PP super powers just to ignore it altogether.

 

[Khev]

Or just desperate to set up a cardboard target that their precious can knock down.

I truly can't take any of the anti-Marvel/pro-Fox or WB arguments when the movies from those other studios are doing everything Marvel is criticized for even worse. Aside from The DARK TONE. Which is apparently important to some people.

To date, even with the takeback, Coulson's death was the most effective in any modern CBM I can remember. I've read fans discredit that but applaud BvS killing a Superman no-one liked for about 15 minutes.

I guess I just don't fit in any of the trenches.

I didn't even realize

Spoiler

Havok

was dead until it was explained later. It actually reminded me of the X3 "Cyclops is dead *shrug*" that everyone hated so much. And even when I realized it...who cares?

I dunno. Might be time for me to cash in my chips re: CBMs. I truly contemplated walking out of this one but stuck it out. The audience cheered at the end*.

*The cheers may have been related to the texts and social media updates they were sending and receiving non-stop during the film. This was the first time I was ever bothered enough to tell someone to turn their phone off.

The audience in my theater got so sick of the pedestrian "final battle" that they all started chanting "CIVIL WAR...CIVIL WAR!" They weren't MCU fanboys either, in fact every single one of them were wearing X-Men t-shirts and costumes. It reminded me of when the Russians all started chanting Rocky's name.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

The audience in my theater got so sick of the pedestrian "final battle" that they all started chanting "CIVIL WAR...CIVIL WAR!" They weren't MCU fanboys either, in fact every single one of them were wearing X-Men t-shirts and costumes. It reminded me of when the Russians all started chanting Rocky's name.

 

[jye4ever]

Or just desperate to set up a cardboard target that their precious can knock down.

I truly can't take any of the anti-Marvel/pro-Fox or WB arguments when the movies from those other studios are doing everything Marvel is criticized for even worse. Aside from The DARK TONE. Which is apparently important to some people.

To date, even with the takeback, Coulson's death was the most effective in any modern CBM I can remember. I've read fans discredit that but applaud BvS killing a Superman no-one liked for about 15 minutes.

I guess I just don't fit in any of the trenches.

I didn't even realize

Spoiler

Havok

was dead until it was explained later. It actually reminded me of the X3 "Cyclops is dead *shrug*" that everyone hated so much. And even when I realized it...who cares?

I dunno. Might be time for me to cash in my chips re: CBMs. I truly contemplated walking out of this one but stuck it out. The audience cheered at the end*.

*The cheers may have been related to the texts and social media updates they were sending and receiving non-stop during the film. This was the first time I was ever bothered enough to tell someone to turn their phone off.

The audience did cheer at the end during my show and i'm ok with that, they did a good enough job building up to the calvalry (Jean) showing up.

The movie was entertaining yet seriously flawed.