X-Men: Apocalypse - May 27, 2016

[Victοr]

Wasn't it Uncanny Avengers? I'm talking about the one where Cap and Thor team up with a couple of X-Men and the Red Skull uses Xavier's brain to gain telepathic powers. And are you saying that you're liking HYDRA Cap?

Yeah, I just saw the edite post. Yes it was Uncanny Avengers. It got waaaaay too cosmic towards the end though. It had a nice little issue of Apoc vs Young Thor as well. It was one of NOW!'s best titles for me.

As for HYDRA-Cap, well, yes and no. No, because Cap should remain pure and noble, and because I know that the explaination will be "it's Cosmic Cube stuff, I ain't gotta explain ****". Yes, because I'm a big fan of HYDRA (thank's to Hickman's Secret Warriors) and I do think it has potential. We'll see. I'm pulling it, so I'm just gonna enjoy the ride.

 

[karamazov80]

If I were to give an award for "best written mainstream superhero book" I'd go with Byrne's run on The Fantastic Four and Moore's Swamp Thing.

Yeah, I love both of those. My favorite runs, to this day, are the Claremont/Byrne X-Men and Wolfman/Perez Teen Titans.

On a related note, I was at Wal-Mart the other night, and saw a little canvas art print for the Justice League for $5. It was a cover of the JLA by George Perez. I would have zero use for it, but had a damn hard time not buying it anyway.

 

[YoNoSe]

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Now, here's the most important question: Thoughts on Fantomex?

I thought he and Xorn were pretty cool

 

[Khev]

Yeah, I love both of those. My favorite runs, to this day, are the Claremont/Byrne X-Men and Wolfman/Perez Teen Titans.

If I were to pick "favorites" I'd go with Byrne Cap (writer and art), Gruenwald/Dwyer Cap ("Cap No More" to the end of "The Bloodstone Hunt") and then the entire colorized run of AKIRA. Honorable mentions go to the first 30 or so issues of the Wolverine solo series (1988) and the Steranko and Zeck Cap runs.

I actually just reread The Bloodstone Hunt (where Crossbones makes his first appearance as a character) this past week and got a kick out of being reminded that during Cap and 'Bones first scuffle Crossbones tries to kill Cap with a hidden blade that pops out of his gauntlet. So cool that the Russos put that in the film.

Yeah, I just saw the edite post. Yes it was Uncanny Avengers. It got waaaaay too cosmic towards the end though. It had a nice little issue of Apoc vs Young Thor as well. It was one of NOW!'s best titles for me.

As for HYDRA-Cap, well, yes and no. No, because Cap should remain pure and noble, and because I know that the explaination will be "it's Cosmic Cube stuff, I ain't gotta explain ****". Yes, because I'm a big fan of HYDRA (thank's to Hickman's Secret Warriors) and I do think it has potential. We'll see. I'm pulling it, so I'm just gonna enjoy the ride.

Yeah, I think "Cosmic Cube recreates history" is pretty much guaranteed as the reason he's now HYDRA through and through. Obviously at some point some one will make the Cube to totally undo that altered history.

 

[Victοr]

I thought he and Xorn were pretty cool

Nice! People rarely like Fantomex adn the folks at the boards give me a lot of **** for this, but I don't care. Fantomex 5 EVA!

 

[karamazov80]

Mike Zeck Captain America is also one of my favorites. Really, along with the Brubaker stuff, the only long Cap run I'm familiar with.

 

[Victοr]

Yeah, I think "Cosmic Cube recreates history" is pretty much guaranteed as the reason he's now HYDRA through and through. Obviously at some point some one will make the Cube to totally undo that altered history.

Which is honestly a shame, since it could just be that Steve's HYDRA is a "good" branch of HYDRA. I mean, have people seen the stuff Fury and Hill have pulled as the "good" guys? Morality is subjective in these books, so I could buy Steve being loyal to a good and noble HYDRA that was about helping your fellow man, and not world domination.

 

[Khev]

Mike Zeck Captain America is also one of my favorites. Really, along with the Brubaker stuff, the only long Cap run I'm familiar with.

I bet you'd love Byrne's 9 issue run (247-255) based on your enjoyment of his work on X-Men and FF. Those Cap issues were published in 1980 which would put them right before his stint on FF. He was in top form then.

 

[WWEJedi]

If I were to give an award for "best written mainstream superhero book" I'd go with Byrne's run on The Fantastic Four and Moore's Swamp Thing.

Bendis/Maleev and Brubaker/Lark Daredevil

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Bendis/Maleev and Brubaker/Lark Daredevil

You're way too young for this discussion

 

[karamazov80]

I bet you'd love Byrne's 9 issue run (247-255) based on your enjoyment of his work on X-Men and FF. Those Cap issues were published in 1980 which would put them right before his stint on FF. He was in top form then.

I've got most of those, I think. One where he teams up with Union Jack to fight the vampire sticks out. Byrne also did some Avengers comics here or there, a couple of Hulks, and even a few of the Wolverine comics you mentioned earlier. I made it a point of seeking out almost all of what he did at one point, though I never got around to the Iron Fist stuff.

Same with Zeck, who did one issue of Spectacular (I think) Spider-Man and some Batman comics that were pretty good, though he was mostly relegated to the doing covers for much of the '80s (didn't even do all of Secret Wars or the Punisher limited series on his own).

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

You're way too young for this discussion

Ohhhh boy....(no pun intended)

 

[Victοr]

You're way too young for this discussion

Eh, I don't like Bendis at all, but it's a good contender. It's one of his finest books. I think people dismiss the newer stuff far too easily and yes, there are duds in there, but it's not all bad. Brubaker's Immortal Iron Fist, DNA's GotG, Fraction's Iron Man, Hickman's New Avengers, all that jazz.

Sure, the classics are classics for a reason, but it's not like they're untouchable. I like Starnko's Fury, Byrne's Alpha Flight, Claremont's Excalibur and X-Men, Moench's Moon Knight, Starlin's Cosmic stuff and the like as much as the next guy, but there are some real modern gems out there.

 

[kryptonianmutie]

Khev, let me know if ever get around to reading "Fall of the Mutants" and Inferno. Those are two of my faves from Uncanny X-men and X-Factor. The issues in between those arcs are good reads too.

 

[WWEJedi]

You're way too young for this discussion

Not really. I read those mentioned, I liked Swamp Thing.... actually any run of ST I like. Then just not a fan of F4 in general.

 

[Khev]

Personally, I'd probably go with Fraction's Invincible Iron Man. It's just so.Damn.Great...

I think it would actually be fun to go to the comic shop and pick up new issues to read like back in the day. But on a personal level I just feel like I can't purchase anything that's a part of the "house that Quesada, Millar, and Bendis built." I just hate their take on the main universe and wish the latter two stuck to writing Ultimate titles. I feel like if I bought new Cap or Invincible Iron Man or whatever that I'd be legitimizing the post 2002 Marvel Universe. I just can't. I look forward to the time that Marvel does a full "New 52" or whatever with no connections to the 2002-current universe (and hopefully without those writers involved.)

I'm sure there are some real gems that have been published in the last 14 years but to me they're all tainted by the involvement of the three guys I mentioned above.

 

[Victοr]

I think it would actually be fun to go to the comic shop and pick up new issues to read like back in the day. But on a personal level I just feel like I can't purchase anything that's a part of the "house that Quesada, Millar, and Bendis built." I just hate their take on the main universe and wish the latter two stuck to writing Ultimate titles. I feel like if I bought new Cap or Invincible Iron Man or whatever that I'd be legitimizing the post 2002 Marvel Universe. I just can't.

Fraction's Iron Man ended before Marvel NOW! and honestly, it felt like reading an old book. There was inner monologue, the focus was on Tony himself and it didn't feature any grand "twists". It was just Tony facing various problems. No BS adoption retcon, no "Crossing", just pure old-school fun but with today's more modern storytelling.

Honestly, if I had to pick a few self-contained books that were in line with the past, I'd go with Fraction's Invincible Iron Man and Hickman's Secret Warriors. Hickman's Fury was as if Steranko came back. No over-the-top **** like Ennis, just classic Fury being the spy-master. Also, Hickman's F4. He did away with Millar's rather dull concepts and really breathed new life to the FF. Most books these days are gimmicky, especially from the Big 2, but those few ones are worth it.

 

[pturtle]

Burn, X-franchise. Burn!

Sounds almost as bad as Scarlett Johansson led Black Widow movie.




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[Khev]

Khev, let me know if ever get around to reading "Fall of the Mutants" and Inferno. Those are two of my faves from Uncanny X-men and X-Factor. The issues in between those arcs are good reads too.

Will do!