X-Men: Days of Future Past

[Bardoon]

I'm willing to bet Cyclops has a bigger fanbase than Thor had before Marvel Studios came in. If they reboot this and cast Cyclops and Wolverine with two guys who work great together a la Cap A and IM respectively, I swear to you they will outgross most of Marvel Studios' films.

This is a BOLD statement!

I can't disagree that prior to the movies (and some comic book focus), Cyclops was the more popular character than Thor. The X-Men and Mutants RULED the Marvel 90's and Cyclops was one the main roles. But his character has more or less fallen to the way side in favor of the big superstar WOLVERINE and other mutants who have become a big focus, such as Magneto. Cyclops is a little self-righteous like Captain America, but he doesn't ooze the coolness of Cap, command the respect nor does he have a really unique power. All he does is shoot lasers out of his eyes, is a pretty solid fighter and bangs Jean Grey AND Emma Frost. Actually, his claim to fame is probably tagging two of the hottest mutant babes in comic history. Can't argue with that...

Why do you think Marvel Comics turned Cyclops into the Mutant Terrorist that Magneto was? He was boring and has been the same cookie-cutter character he has been for decades. Now, he's actually gotten a little more interesting.

Can Cyclops' movie reputation be resurrected? Yes. But the BEST X-Men dynamic has ALWAYS been Professor X vs. Magneto. NOT Wolverine vs. Cyclops. And Fox knows this, which is why the movies actually focus on it. They've hinted at the Cyclops/Wolverine rivalry in the flicks, but I don't think it's enough to sell tickets...

 

[Silrian]

And the worst thing about this continuation is that it will only muddle and mess up more and more x-men stories, wasting general audiences first impression with them.

A proper phoenix adaptation would blow people's minds. X-men has imo some of the best stories marvel has to offer and they keep muddling and effing up lore this way.

I guess I'm just of a glass half empty perspective at this point.

 

[Bardoon]

accidental double post

 

[Silrian]

I do love magneto and charles' focus oand again I might LOVE DoFP, but to me x-men isn't x-men without cyclops. It's that simple.

An xavier-magneto story is not xmen. It's an xavier magneto story. It's called x-MEN, Magneto's interaction with the team, THAT's where it gets awesome. Can the team maintain their faith in Xavier when Magneto shows them a different world and different views? Can Cyclops convince his team the same way Xavier can? That's where it's x-men dynamics. The engagement withthe audience is that the x-men constntly get stuck between xavier and magneto's side. X and M might present he opposites, but it's through the team that we deal with them. That's X-MEN imo. The plural is what it's all about.

What cyclops does in the comics now is irrelevant because he's done none of it on screen.

 

[pturtle]

Wolverines sells cause they give no other characters a chance they just said here take this and ran with it for years .

But they gave us FC, and it’s the lowest grossing film in the series.

Exactly what Krec9 said. Fox is playing it safe and it's the exact old attitude that never got us real true cb films. People like Nolan and Favreau and studios like WB and Marvel, they take risks and that makes the properties evolve. Only real road to improvement.

No matter how good his films are, the era of Singer is over. Adaptations need room to evolve in order to take advantage of new tendencies and possibilities. This franchise is trapped in trenches dug by old material. Nothing at this point can outweigh the possibilities of starting anew. All assuming a new version will be done right.

I admit, when I see what Fox is doing to FF that does make me scared how they might screw up a reboot.

I’m sorry, but this post just comes off as borderline hate. What is possibly safe about adapting DOFP? It’s considered to be a very ambitious film, with the biggest budget for a superhero film to date.

Obviously this franchise has been hurt from the lack of structure that Singer brought to it once he left, everything spun out of control. I’m not some big Singer fan by the way, I would much prefer Matthew Vaughn take over the franchise, but Singer really does get a lot of undeserved hate.

This film will most likely end with a Star Trekk like reboot, allowing Fox to start from fresh, without scraping everything altogether, and keeping the wonderful cast they have. Theres already rumors of Cyclops, Jean, Gambit, and Nightcrawler will all be apart of X-Men Apocalypse. As long as the movies provide the spirit of the comics, then I think they’ll be successful, they don’t need to be 100% accurate to be great X-Men films.

 

[krec9]

But they gave us FC, and it’s the lowest grossing film in the series.

Doesnt matter wolverine was in it Fox couldnt resist now we have more of wolverine and his xmen .

 

[pturtle]

Doesnt matter wolverine was in it Fox couldnt resist now we have more of wolverine and his xmen .

How doesn’t that matter? He wasn’t promoted at all, which is what we’re arguing here, about Fox having the guts to make an X-Men film not revolving around Wolverine. They did that already, and the film was great, but it didn’t bring in the kind of money they were hoping. DOFP seems like the swan song for the older cast members, I expect Apocalypse to stray away from Wolverine and bring in the team dynamic that people love from the comics.

 

[krec9]

How doesn’t that matter? He wasn’t promoted at all, which is what we’re arguing here, about Fox having the guts to make an X-Men film not revolving around Wolverine. They did that already, and the film was great, but it didn’t bring in the kind of money they were hoping. DOFP seems like the swan song for the older cast members, I expect Apocalypse to stray away from Wolverine and bring in the team dynamic that people love from the comics.

He was still in the movie a well known cameo .They had someone else take a crack at it and we got FC now singer is back it's another wolverine movie I see him overshadowing everyone in that movie.

 

[jye4ever]

You enjoyed X1 and X2? Why the hell aren’t you excited for this movie then with Singer back directing?

Ok fine, i'll do a back flip if it makes you happy.

I'll be there opening night, I never miss a cbm opening.

I hope this movie is hiding Cyclops somewhere, so tired of this Wolverine leader bullcrap.

 

[bransen2099]

Soooo I think some wants "All New X-Men"? I'm on board with that. Original team working on dynamics.

 

[pturtle]

Ok fine, i'll do a back flip if it makes you happy.

I'll be there opening night, I never miss a cbm opening.

I hope this movie is hiding Cyclops somewhere, so tired of this Wolverine leader bullcrap.

I just didn’t think you liked any of the original films.

Soooo I think some wants "All New X-Men"? I'm on board with that. Original team working on dynamics.

That would be awesome. I just started reading it like a month ago, and it’s really great so far.

 

[jye4ever]

X1/X2 are enjoyable.

Listen, I enjoy FF1 and DD, don't come looking at me for quality confirmations.

 

[bicoid18]

I hope this movie is hiding Cyclops somewhere, so tired of this Wolverine leader bullcrap.

Jye, did you check out the final trailer? I'm pretty sure that was Cyke at the the end.


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[jye4ever]

 

[bicoid18]

Check the final scene in trailer 3 before the credits. When James Marsden asks Logan if he 'makes it out alive in the future' and Wolverine tells him no.

*edit* Damn Nick Hoult looks so much like James Marsden there. I guess I need to clean my ruby quartz lenses off.


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[jye4ever]

No worries, he did look like a nerdy version of JM.

 

[Silrian]

But they gave us FC, and it’s the lowest grossing film in the series.



I’m sorry, but this post just comes off as borderline hate. What is possibly safe about adapting DOFP? It’s considered to be a very ambitious film, with the biggest budget for a superhero film to date.

Obviously this franchise has been hurt from the lack of structure that Singer brought to it once he left, everything spun out of control. I’m not some big Singer fan by the way, I would much prefer Matthew Vaughn take over the franchise, but Singer really does get a lot of undeserved hate.

This film will most likely end with a Star Trekk like reboot, allowing Fox to start from fresh, without scraping everything altogether, and keeping the wonderful cast they have. Theres already rumors of Cyclops, Jean, Gambit, and Nightcrawler will all be apart of X-Men Apocalypse. As long as the movies provide the spirit of the comics, then I think they’ll be successful, they don’t need to be 100% accurate to be great X-Men films.

How can you think I'm borderline hating when I constantly say I might love the new film and love the old ones!? You know what that sounds like? Someone who's out of real arguments.

Yes, DoFP is safe, why? Because it's the only thing they could do that kept Jackman's Wolverine and THAT is why they did it. Not because this franchise is so great, or so beloved, because Jackman is. If anyone else in this franchise mattered, they'd have gotten solo films already – they didn't. Jackman got two, even though his first one was horrible. If Jackman wasn't as popular as he his, you bet you're ass that this would've been rebooted straight after Origins.

I love x1 and 2, and I think they're great films and were great CB adaptations for that time. But Singer did initiate a version that has flaws, and it's ridiculous, plain ridiculous, that we're still stuck with those flaws 14 years later, when we've had so much change in this genre. The only reason DoFP got greenlit is because Fox has faith that Singer can sell Jackman. And he can still, from the looks of it.

It's not hate, it's a fact that we've never gotten anything close to the core team dynamics from the comics the way CB films give us now, and that sucks. This new film might give us more of it, I loved the fight scene against the sentinels, but the number 1 -men, Xavier's star pupil destined to take over from him IS DEAD and he we don't even miss him within the films because he was a joke to begin with. This whole situation is a remnant of a flawed franchise history, and we're stuck with it because they don't wanna let go of Jackman. If you think there's any other reason, I'm afraid I'm gonna say you're either biased, or naieve.


Also, where do you get rumours from that Cyclops is going to return? And how would they want to do that? How could it even be close to the comics, if Cyclops of all god damn people is the NEWCOMER!? What the frig man? I realised yesterday that we haven't even seen ANY proper backstory for any team member except Wolverine and Rogue. What. The Mutated. ****. The Summers family is like the most important mutant family in the comics and the films have shown literally NOTHING of it (unless you want to count Havoc but he's not even told of what family member he is). I get that you like these films, I loved X1, 2 and FC and I might love DoFP too, but they're factually outdated, botched CB films. And that, completely regardless of anything these films do, sucks twin 17 year old balls.

There's no way to repair this, because for me, what I love about x-men beyond anything else, is seeing the team grow with each other, and even if they reintroduce Cyclops now, I never liked his existing version, and a new version is exactly that: new. You can't introduce a new cyclops to an existing team and go "Hey man, I've actually known all of you for quite a while in this new time line!" That's not storytelling, that's a cop out.

This franchise needs to be cut loose from the past, and if Days of future Past (oh the irony) does plan to do that, well, I'll get back to you. But I don't see it happening in any good way. If it does, well I will gladly to eat my words, because I don't want to be right, I want a modern x-men film with Cyclops as the leader.

 

[krec9]

How can you think I'm borderline hating when I constantly say I might love the new film and love the old ones!? You know what that sounds like? Someone who's out of real arguments.

Yes, DoFP is safe, why? Because it's the only thing they could do that kept Jackman's Wolverine and THAT is why they did it. Not because this franchise is so great, or so beloved, because Jackman is. If anyone else in this franchise mattered, they'd have gotten solo films already – they didn't. Jackman got two, even though his first one was horrible. If Jackman wasn't as popular as he his, you bet you're ass that this would've been rebooted straight after Origins.

I love x1 and 2, and I think they're great films and were great CB adaptations for that time. But Singer did initiate a version that has flaws, and it's ridiculous, plain ridiculous, that we're still stuck with those flaws 14 years later, when we've had so much change in this genre. The only reason DoFP got greenlit is because Fox has faith that Singer can sell Jackman. And he can still, from the looks of it.

It's not hate, it's a fact that we've never gotten anything close to the core team dynamics from the comics the way CB films give us now, and that sucks. This new film might give us more of it, I loved the fight scene against the sentinels, but the number 1 -men, Xavier's star pupil destined to take over from him IS DEAD and he we don't even miss him within the films because he was a joke to begin with. This whole situation is a remnant of a flawed franchise history, and we're stuck with it because they don't wanna let go of Jackman. If you think there's any other reason, I'm afraid I'm gonna say you're either biased, or naieve.


Also, where do you get rumours from that Cyclops is going to return? And how would they want to do that? How could it even be close to the comics, if Cyclops of all god damn people is the NEWCOMER!? What the frig man? I realised yesterday that we haven't even seen ANY proper backstory for any team member except Wolverine and Rogue. What. The Mutated. ****. The Summers family is like the most important mutant family in the comics and the films have shown literally NOTHING of it (unless you want to count Havoc but he's not even told of what family member he is). I get that you like these films, I loved X1, 2 and FC and I might love DoFP too, but they're factually outdated, botched CB films. And that, completely regardless of anything these films do, sucks twin 17 year old balls.

There's no way to repair this, because for me, what I love about x-men beyond anything else, is seeing the team grow with each other, and even if they reintroduce Cyclops now, I never liked his existing version, and a new version is exactly that: new. You can't introduce a new cyclops to an existing team and go "Hey man, I've actually known all of you for quite a while in this new time line!" That's not storytelling, that's a cop out.

This franchise needs to be cut loose from the past, and if Days of future Past (oh the irony) does plan to do that, well, I'll get back to you. But I don't see it happening in any good way. If it does, well I will gladly to eat my words, because I don't want to be right, I want a modern x-men film with Cyclops as the leader.

Enjoy your post i feel the same way just cut the Nonsense and Reboot.

 

[Silrian]

This is still better X-men material than any of the films to me, and that's not some nostalgic crap, I genuinely mean that. It might not be better material overall, but it's better X-MEN.


Moments like 1:29, Wolverine doesn't get moments like that in the films, where's he's a supporting character who's just being a badass. Because Singer has always put the weight of any scene he's in on him. Back when CB films weren't popular that was smart – it was a way to market x-men in a world that didn't take CB films seriously. But this is a different time. I want X-men films where Wolverine can just be Wolverine – the unpredictable, indestructible ball of rage that wants things to escalate as much as possible. What Hulk is in the Avengers, THAT is the Wolverine I want to see (another level of irony seeing as Wolverine was originally Hulk's enemy).

Nothing against the Avengers but, I admit, it annoys the living **** out of me that they're now credited as cinema's first good superhero team up. That famous scene where Iron Man flies by them all, that should've been X-men man. Whatever.

This franchise is half of what it could be. If DoFP gets more out of its potential, well great, I won't bash it at all, I'll love it. But the franchise's history really waters it down to begin with and it I don't see how it's possible for it to be anywhere near as good as a new start could be.

 

[Darth Zangetsu]

I am looking forward to DOFP, but I agree with many here that a fresh start without the weight of Singer's universe would be the best idea. it seemed FC was trying to do that. The Logan cameo worked perfectly. I just think the problem is Singer does not get these characters. I feel like if someone with a passion for X-Men took over these movies would soar. But it is what it is.