Zack Snyder's Justice League

[GaryPool]

Same can be said for someone who is constantly sad all the time. Damn thats boring.

Nah, there's a reason for being sad, which means there's depth to what's happening to them and thrust for their personal story. Seeing a man with every power under the sun going around saving people with no personal problems at all is dumb.

In an ideal world we'd get the personal problems with a suredness of hope and realisation. The story we got at the moment was the leadup to that character, though. But that lead up one hundred percent beats 1940's Americana permanent smile on your face whilst saving a cat out of a tree Superman.

 

[LIBBY1957DOG]

Everyone cheer up just watch this it will lift your spirits

interesting that zack used tom waits ,the proto ledger joker for this new teaser ,waits typically refuses offers to feature his music but said yes to this ,its one of my favorites from way back so glad to see it and tom get a bit of airplay and wider exposure

heres tom on australian tv in 1979 giving little heath a idea or two lol

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

What a terrible host. I feel bad for Joker.

 

[ironwez20]

Nah, there's a reason for being sad, which means there's depth to what's happening to them and thrust for their personal story. Seeing a man with every power under the sun going around saving people with no personal problems at all is dumb.

In an ideal world we'd get the personal problems with a suredness of hope and realisation. The story we got at the moment was the leadup to that character, though. But that lead up one hundred percent beats 1940's Americana permanent smile on your face whilst saving a cat out of a tree Superman.

Nah you obviously don?t understand. People don?t like him cause he doesn?t have any problems people like him cause he is hopeful and fights through the pain he feels and still manages to have a positive attitude despite losing . He can be sad sometimes and sometimes angry but he picks himself up and keeps fighting and keeps that hopeful spirit to inspire the people around him. Also this Superman isn?t constantly smiling . He is obviously going through issues with his son, but instead of sulking about it like some sad sac he still goes out and saves the day and does so with a bright attitude.
His dad even dies. But he picks himself up from it .
Did you watch the clip at all?
That?s life. You have ups and downs but you get up and you keep fighting and don?t let things bring you down.

People love Spider-Man and Superman because they have glaring issues but despite that they still fight with positivity in there heart and don?t question what they do. They get sad abd depressed sometimes but they pick themselves up and keep going. That?s why people love the characters. Watching someone who is sad all the time and mopey is boring like seeing someone always happy.

Even Batman isn?t always mopey. Just very serious about what he does.

There is a reason why people didn?t like asm and mos. they aren?t sad mopey characters who are always depressed. They can get sad but what inspires people is there ability to keep fighting and enjoying what they do.

 

[GaryPool]

Nah you obviously don?t understand. People don?t like him cause he doesn?t have any problems people like him cause he is hopeful and fights through the pain he feels and still manages to have a positive attitude despite losing . He can be sad sometimes and sometimes angry but he picks himself up and keeps fighting and keeps that hopeful spirit to inspire the people around him. Also this Superman isn?t constantly smiling . He is obviously going through issues with his son, but instead of sulking about it like some sad sac he still goes out and saves the day and does so with a bright attitude.
His dad even dies. But he picks himself up from it .
Did you watch the clip at all?
That?s life. You have ups and downs but you get up and you keep fighting and don?t let things bring you down.

People love Spider-Man and Superman because they have glaring issues but despite that they still fight with positivity in there heart and don?t question what they do. They get sad abd depressed sometimes but they pick themselves up and keep going. That?s why people love the characters. Watching someone who is sad all the time and mopey is boring like seeing someone always happy.

Even Batman isn?t always mopey. Just very serious about what he does.

There is a reason why people didn?t like asm and mos. they aren?t sad mopey characters who are always depressed. They can get sad but what inspires people is there ability to keep fighting and enjoying what they do.

I do understand, I think there's just a level of what we obviously see in each. In Snyder's Man of Steel: A, he isn't even Superman until the end of the film, therefore hasn't had any world experience in fighting other people or even knows the extent of his powers B, The Kents don't want to lose their only son, and not wanting to lose him knowing what will happen to him if he is discovered instill in him to hide his true self and nature and C, he discovers and learns of what has happened to his own people and is offered a way to save them through Zod. Well combine that with a bunch of people considering him an outcast and dangerous and treating him literally as to what he is... an Alien. With all of that combined I view him as very hopeful in what he does to turn away from Zod, to choose those who despise him or don't understand him, to turn away from what he's been taught and to help those who don't want his help, and to help those without even knowing how to properly help, but understanding that with his powers he probably has a duty to help. I consider that extremely hopeful, and very sacrificial of a lot of things in both what he's been taught, what he knows will happen as a result, and in the face of solidifying his own people's demise. Saving cats and cars crushed and hurtling off a bridge but leaving the injured passenger inside to pick up a bystanders hat with a smile isn't hopeful just because he smiles a lot and has a sunny demanour. I see only fake hope in that, I see more true hope in the actuality of what would happen as portrayed in BvS and MoS. Just because his demanour isn't churpy and smiley doesn't take away from his actions being extremely hopeful - which they are.

And furthering into BvS, being manipulated, constantly judged and having fake propaganda and manipulation of the news to go against you, he literally sacrifices himself to save those that hate him. And within this story, he provides hope to one of the most jaded of people, Batman, at the end of his rope in a long drawn out career having lost loads of people and his true self and makes him see that an alien has more humanity at this point than he does. Just because he looks dour and upset a lot doesn't take away what he stands for, I can't imagine a real world person being able to emotionally withstand everything that Snyder's Man of Steel went through constantly putting a happy affront on. After all, he grew up amongst humans, how many people do you know in life keep up a happy smiling self?

Clearly we both prefer different portrayals which is fine. Your last paragraph literally describes Snyders version of him in how I've described, I guess the delivery is what divides people. I only see fakeness attributed to the Superman you like, I see genuine plight and hope in what Snyder offers, afterall, hope isn't delivered in its presentation but rather its message.

 

[Spartan Rex]

Nah, there's a reason for being sad, which means there's depth to what's happening to them and thrust for their personal story. Seeing a man with every power under the sun going around saving people with no personal problems at all is dumb.

In an ideal world we'd get the personal problems with a suredness of hope and realisation. The story we got at the moment was the leadup to that character, though. But that lead up one hundred percent beats 1940's Americana permanent smile on your face whilst saving a cat out of a tree Superman.

If you’re a super powered alien from another world bragging about your family crest plastered on your chest is the symbol of “Hope” you might want not come across to the masses as downcast and hopeless. Kind of a mixed message. That’s the Punishers shtick. Christopher Reeves and Donner had it right, he wasn’t mindlessly smiling with no reason, he was happy he had the power to help those that needed help. I don’t remember him smiling when Lois died and flew off into the clouds in a screaming rage in the 78 movie. It takes a stronger more confident individual to find the silver lining in life rather than being a brooding woe is me type. It’s also more difficult to write for which is why all those lazy writers make all the “hero’s” nihilistic and edgy now.

 

[GaryPool]

If you’re a super powered alien from another world bragging about your family crest plastered on your chest is the symbol of “Hope” you might want not come across to the masses as downcast and hopeless. Kind of a mixed message. That’s the Punishers shtick. Christopher Reeves and Donner had it right, he wasn’t mindlessly smiling with no reason, he was happy he had the power to help those that needed help. I don’t remember him smiling when Lois died and flew off into the clouds in a screaming rage in the 78 movie. It takes a stronger more confident individual to find the silver lining in life rather than being a brooding woe is me type. It’s also more difficult to write for which is why all those lazy writers make all the “hero’s” nihilistic and edgy now.

He has literally discovered his lineage in that scene, he says it more in a place or pride of his people I took it as, and especially after knowing that it was his family, and therefore its crest, that sent him off to save its people - I'd need to watch it again, but at this point I'm also pretty sure that he knows he's going to protect Earth and fight his own people, I'd consider that as a whole pretty hopeful. You're conflating his presentation as a person with the actions that he takes as well, like I said before; in Man of Steel he's literally going against what he's been taught, against choosing his own people etc. His hope is in his actions, even if it pains him to do it and it clearly shows it pains him to do it, and he's clearly unsure of his place and what he should do... that is what makes his actions hopeful in Snyder's films. This whole notion of him being dour and sad meaning he's not hopeful is absurd in my opinion because it just doesn't jive... The most hopeful actions in life tend to be amongst the hardest choices to make, and you'll have no luck convincing me in the two films we've gotten he's not had hard choices to make along every step of the way. Who honestly gives a crap if he hasn't made the right hopeful choices with a smirk plastered on his face when he's only just at the beginning of his life as Superman?

 

[jye4ever]

I know I rip on WB alot and gosh do they deserve it but if ZSJL is a HUGE success story then even the dummies running that cellular company will rehire ZS back for a JL sequel including HC as Superman.

BUT it’s not just about ZS now is it which complicates matter

WW84 being a massive financial disaster is not helping things that is alot of cell phones they need to sell to make up for the losses lol

Then Ray Fisher no longer being in that universe would require a recasting

 

[jye4ever]

Ok this just makes no sense sorry Zach

He didn’t use the Imax camera to shoot because the camera doesn’t have built in sound

Why the hell does he care about the sound when all you are going to hear are the loud set noises like blowing fans and other loud noises isn’t that what they have ADR for.

He now just said in a new interview that when he told WB that he was shooting in a forced Imax 1:33 ratio they immediately said: UMM...WHY...NO!

But he convinced them and he did it

 

[ironwez20]

I do understand, I think there's just a level of what we obviously see in each. In Snyder's Man of Steel: A, he isn't even Superman until the end of the film, therefore hasn't had any world experience in fighting other people or even knows the extent of his powers B, The Kents don't want to lose their only son, and not wanting to lose him knowing what will happen to him if he is discovered instill in him to hide his true self and nature and C, he discovers and learns of what has happened to his own people and is offered a way to save them through Zod. Well combine that with a bunch of people considering him an outcast and dangerous and treating him literally as to what he is... an Alien. With all of that combined I view him as very hopeful in what he does to turn away from Zod, to choose those who despise him or don't understand him, to turn away from what he's been taught and to help those who don't want his help, and to help those without even knowing how to properly help, but understanding that with his powers he probably has a duty to help. I consider that extremely hopeful, and very sacrificial of a lot of things in both what he's been taught, what he knows will happen as a result, and in the face of solidifying his own people's demise. Saving cats and cars crushed and hurtling off a bridge but leaving the injured passenger inside to pick up a bystanders hat with a smile isn't hopeful just because he smiles a lot and has a sunny demanour. I see only fake hope in that, I see more true hope in the actuality of what would happen as portrayed in BvS and MoS. Just because his demanour isn't churpy and smiley doesn't take away from his actions being extremely hopeful - which they are.

And furthering into BvS, being manipulated, constantly judged and having fake propaganda and manipulation of the news to go against you, he literally sacrifices himself to save those that hate him. And within this story, he provides hope to one of the most jaded of people, Batman, at the end of his rope in a long drawn out career having lost loads of people and his true self and makes him see that an alien has more humanity at this point than he does. Just because he looks dour and upset a lot doesn't take away what he stands for, I can't imagine a real world person being able to emotionally withstand everything that Snyder's Man of Steel went through constantly putting a happy affront on. After all, he grew up amongst humans, how many people do you know in life keep up a happy smiling self?

Clearly we both prefer different portrayals which is fine. Your last paragraph literally describes Snyders version of him in how I've described, I guess the delivery is what divides people. I only see fakeness attributed to the Superman you like, I see genuine plight and hope in what Snyder offers, afterall, hope isn't delivered in its presentation but rather its message.

Nah he doesn?t have to always be happy like I said but the charm is that he is an alien who keeps an upbeat spirit about himself without being diwn all the time. Watching someone who is constantly sad and crying and angry is tedious and brings the mood down severely. There is no hope just utter sadness and despair . He even commits suicide instead of coming up with a better plan . Again it doesn?t have to be happy all the time but the reason why marvel is successful is cause the heroes go through dark times but they still manage to give off a sense of hope.

Captain America mcu is sadly more Superman than Superman. Dude went through a lot of **** but still wants to help people and can be serious but also happy. There is no fakeness. That?s real. People go through struggles in life but still pull through. A mopey person who never moves on and cries all the time achieved nothing and is weak .

What do you mean a real person couldn?t withstand what snyders Superman went through ? Lol nothing bad happened to him that hasn?t happened to any other superhero. He lost his dad in tornado who he could have saved. Big deal .

He was bullied. Big deal . Lots of people pick themselves up from that . It?s sad . But you got to keep moving . Cw Superman seems to go through way more than Snyder since he was Superman longer than two years and actually has a family who he struggles with . There is nothing fake about picking yourself up and not letting your problems drag you through the mud. A hero is constantly haunted by the past but picks himself up.

 

[abake]

I do understand, I think there's just a level of what we obviously see in each. In Snyder's Man of Steel: A, he isn't even Superman until the end of the film, therefore hasn't had any world experience in fighting other people or even knows the extent of his powers B, The Kents don't want to lose their only son, and not wanting to lose him knowing what will happen to him if he is discovered instill in him to hide his true self and nature and C, he discovers and learns of what has happened to his own people and is offered a way to save them through Zod. Well combine that with a bunch of people considering him an outcast and dangerous and treating him literally as to what he is... an Alien. With all of that combined I view him as very hopeful in what he does to turn away from Zod, to choose those who despise him or don't understand him, to turn away from what he's been taught and to help those who don't want his help, and to help those without even knowing how to properly help, but understanding that with his powers he probably has a duty to help. I consider that extremely hopeful, and very sacrificial of a lot of things in both what he's been taught, what he knows will happen as a result, and in the face of solidifying his own people's demise. Saving cats and cars crushed and hurtling off a bridge but leaving the injured passenger inside to pick up a bystanders hat with a smile isn't hopeful just because he smiles a lot and has a sunny demanour. I see only fake hope in that, I see more true hope in the actuality of what would happen as portrayed in BvS and MoS. Just because his demanour isn't churpy and smiley doesn't take away from his actions being extremely hopeful - which they are.

And furthering into BvS, being manipulated, constantly judged and having fake propaganda and manipulation of the news to go against you, he literally sacrifices himself to save those that hate him. And within this story, he provides hope to one of the most jaded of people, Batman, at the end of his rope in a long drawn out career having lost loads of people and his true self and makes him see that an alien has more humanity at this point than he does. Just because he looks dour and upset a lot doesn't take away what he stands for, I can't imagine a real world person being able to emotionally withstand everything that Snyder's Man of Steel went through constantly putting a happy affront on. After all, he grew up amongst humans, how many people do you know in life keep up a happy smiling self?

Clearly we both prefer different portrayals which is fine. Your last paragraph literally describes Snyders version of him in how I've described, I guess the delivery is what divides people. I only see fakeness attributed to the Superman you like, I see genuine plight and hope in what Snyder offers, afterall, hope isn't delivered in its presentation but rather its message.

He has literally discovered his lineage in that scene, he says it more in a place or pride of his people I took it as, and especially after knowing that it was his family, and therefore its crest, that sent him off to save its people - I'd need to watch it again, but at this point I'm also pretty sure that he knows he's going to protect Earth and fight his own people, I'd consider that as a whole pretty hopeful. You're conflating his presentation as a person with the actions that he takes as well, like I said before; in Man of Steel he's literally going against what he's been taught, against choosing his own people etc. His hope is in his actions, even if it pains him to do it and it clearly shows it pains him to do it, and he's clearly unsure of his place and what he should do... that is what makes his actions hopeful in Snyder's films. This whole notion of him being dour and sad meaning he's not hopeful is absurd in my opinion because it just doesn't jive... The most hopeful actions in life tend to be amongst the hardest choices to make, and you'll have no luck convincing me in the two films we've gotten he's not had hard choices to make along every step of the way. Who honestly gives a crap if he hasn't made the right hopeful choices with a smirk plastered on his face when he's only just at the beginning of his life as Superman?

Very good points, but I think the problem for many people is the simple fact that Snyder's Superman goes through conflicting emotions in the first place. There's no conflict in Reeve's Superman, he never shows any doubt about his place on this earth, or his reason for being here. he just puts on the costume and starts saving people. He's just a happy camper. His only conflict is Lois, and he just erases her memory and flies off happily.

I enjoy Snyder's Superman much more because he is more believable, because he raises interesting questions, but I get it that people find it hard to accept this incarnation of the character.

 

[ironwez20]

He has literally discovered his lineage in that scene, he says it more in a place or pride of his people I took it as, and especially after knowing that it was his family, and therefore its crest, that sent him off to save its people - I'd need to watch it again, but at this point I'm also pretty sure that he knows he's going to protect Earth and fight his own people, I'd consider that as a whole pretty hopeful. You're conflating his presentation as a person with the actions that he takes as well, like I said before; in Man of Steel he's literally going against what he's been taught, against choosing his own people etc. His hope is in his actions, even if it pains him to do it and it clearly shows it pains him to do it, and he's clearly unsure of his place and what he should do... that is what makes his actions hopeful in Snyder's films. This whole notion of him being dour and sad meaning he's not hopeful is absurd in my opinion because it just doesn't jive... The most hopeful actions in life tend to be amongst the hardest choices to make, and you'll have no luck convincing me in the two films we've gotten he's not had hard choices to make along every step of the way. Who honestly gives a crap if he hasn't made the right hopeful choices with a smirk plastered on his face when he's only just at the beginning of his life as Superman?

So it?s hard for him to help someone? Why? It?s not like they can hold him like he demonstrated . He isn?t making any hard decisions at all . His father told him not to reveal himself . That?s it. But that cost him his dads life. Again he doesn?t have to be happy all the time. Your missing the point . The point is that he can have a range of emotions and not always be some sad character. The CW did not display a always smiling Superman but a positive one that enjoys his job and talks to his citizens. I don?t know where u got the notion that he was smiling throughout. Did you miss the part where his das died infront of him ( something that was out of his control btw) and his son had mental issues? Again the character clearly had ups and downs in life but still manage to pull through. Not grow a beard and commit suicide to a cave troll

 

[abake]

So it?s hard for him to help someone? Why? It?s not like they can hold him like he demonstrated . He isn?t making any hard decisions at all . His father told him not to reveal himself . That?s it. But that cost him his dads life. Again he doesn?t have to be happy all the time. Your missing the point . The point is that he can have a range of emotions and not always be some sad character. The CW did not display a always smiling Superman but a positive one that enjoys his job and talks to his citizens. I don?t know where u got the notion that he was smiling throughout. Did you miss the part where his das died infront of him ( something that was out of his control btw) and his son had mental issues? Again the character clearly had ups and downs in life but still manage to pull through. Not grow a beard and commit suicide to a cave troll

It's useless man, you just don't like the character!
No amount of arguments will ever make you like him

But let's see if we can agree on something... forget that this is Superman, imagine somebody invented a character nowadays with those superpowers, and take another look.

So we have a kid who is bullied by his classmates and who has the most horrifying experiences happening to him, things he doesn't understand and can't quite control (like seeing the insides of his classmates). His classmates call him freak and make fun of him. When those very same classmates are in mortal danger, he risks everything to save them. His father does what every parent would do, he tells him "screw your classmates, save yourself, I don't want to lose you". So he grows up with this conflict of knowing he's different, that he probably doesn't even belong here, he witnesses his father make the ultimate sacrifice to protect him, and every time he saves people he is confronted with the same mix of awe and fear.
When he finally discovers who he is, he accepts and embraces the role he has to play, and once again risks everything, and gives up everything in order to fulfil his role on his adopted planet, the planet his parents taught him to love.
First his mother almost dies simply because of who he is. Then his crush is threatened. Then the entire freaking planet! And every time he rises to the challenge and does everything in his power to save people: first his mom, then his crush and then the whole world.

(And I call BS on that "oh but he destroyed Smallville, he destroyed Metropolis!" crap. He is literally fighting to save his life. For the first time in his life. For the first time against beings as powerful as himself. Have any of you been in an actual fight? I have, and if you can steer the fight away from anything when somebody is coming in to kick your butt, you have my endless admiration...)

That a great story, that's a great character. And a very believable one. And yes, he does come off as hopeful and positive, because he does do the right thing.

And then we get to the second act. We witness how he has been doing the right thing all the time. But we also see how people react to him: some see him as a god, others as a threat, and he is neither, and he has to confront that, and come to terms with it and try to make the best he can out of it. He has this immense power, but he's not comfortable with it yet, he still has to find his way, even though he has been doing the right thing and helping selflessly everywhere he can. Even as a journalist.

I see a great character in that. A believable person trying to figure out things that no man has had to figure out.

Would you agree that that is an interesting and believable character?

 

[Spartan Rex]

Very good points, but I think the problem for many people is the simple fact that Snyder's Superman goes through conflicting emotions in the first place. There's no conflict in Reeve's Superman, he never shows any doubt about his place on this earth, or his reason for being here. he just puts on the costume and starts saving people. He's just a happy camper. His only conflict is Lois, and he just erases her memory and flies off happily.

I enjoy Snyder's Superman much more because he is more believable, because he raises interesting questions, but I get it that people find it hard to accept this incarnation of the character.

Wrong, Reeves Superman has Pa Kent drop dead right at his feet and tells his mother how powerless he feels while in fact being the most powerful being on the planet. That ends up being a huge motivator for him to making a difference and saving people. The other huge difference between Donners Superman and Snyder?s is how much training and insight Clark gets from JorEl at the Fortress of Solitude. 78 Superman is trained for years in his powers and has all the knowledge and wisdom of the known galaxies in crystals at his finger tips. Snyder?s Superman changes his clothes gets a brief recap and pep talk from Dad and kicked out the door to try and teach himself to fly. Who is going to come out more confident of his purpose of the two?

 

[abake]

Point taken, didn't remember that about STM.

 

[Spartan Rex]

It was 12 yrs alone with BrandoEl and John Williams, how could he not come out smiling and confident.
(I didn’t realize it was that long)

JorEl also gave some good advice about not letting earthlings take him for granted and on call 24/7
(Maybe that’s why Snyderman is always unhappy)

 

[ironwez20]

It's useless man, you just don't like the character!
No amount of arguments will ever make you like him

But let's see if we can agree on something... forget that this is Superman, imagine somebody invented a character nowadays with those superpowers, and take another look.

So we have a kid who is bullied by his classmates and who has the most horrifying experiences happening to him, things he doesn't understand and can't quite control (like seeing the insides of his classmates). His classmates call him freak and make fun of him. When those very same classmates are in mortal danger, he risks everything to save them. His father does what every parent would do, he tells him "screw your classmates, save yourself, I don't want to lose you". So he grows up with this conflict of knowing he's different, that he probably doesn't even belong here, he witnesses his father make the ultimate sacrifice to protect him, and every time he saves people he is confronted with the same mix of awe and fear.
When he finally discovers who he is, he accepts and embraces the role he has to play, and once again risks everything, and gives up everything in order to fulfil his role on his adopted planet, the planet his parents taught him to love.
First his mother almost dies simply because of who he is. Then his crush is threatened. Then the entire freaking planet! And every time he rises to the challenge and does everything in his power to save people: first his mom, then his crush and then the whole world.

(And I call BS on that "oh but he destroyed Smallville, he destroyed Metropolis!" crap. He is literally fighting to save his life. For the first time in his life. For the first time against beings as powerful as himself. Have any of you been in an actual fight? I have, and if you can steer the fight away from anything when somebody is coming in to kick your butt, you have my endless admiration...)

That a great story, that's a great character. And a very believable one. And yes, he does come off as hopeful and positive, because he does do the right thing.

And then we get to the second act. We witness how he has been doing the right thing all the time. But we also see how people react to him: some see him as a god, others as a threat, and he is neither, and he has to confront that, and come to terms with it and try to make the best he can out of it. He has this immense power, but he's not comfortable with it yet, he still has to find his way, even though he has been doing the right thing and helping selflessly everywhere he can. Even as a journalist.

I see a great character in that. A believable person trying to figure out things that no man has had to figure out.

Would you agree that that is an interesting and believable character?

It?s a nice arc but it isn?t compelling or new at all. It?s been done before and again it doesn?t excuse the character for being sad all the time. Every hero gets bullied. Hell Batman ( the most emo hero) watched his parents die and holds a grudge against it and even he isn?t sad all the time. In bvs he?s still sad after accepting his role. He looks like he?s about to cry when he?s helping the humans . It?s a very good arc but it doesn?t excuse the character for being a sad sac throughout the entire run of his career? So he?s supposed to be sad forever? I understand his conflicting feelings early on but now that it?s over he just seems depressed and angry throughout. It?s fine to be sad and upset but damn. Cw Superman may of had it just as bad , who knows.

But then again I guess I would be pretty shaken to if I broke a guys neck.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I didn't have a problem with the depiction of Superman in MOS, except for the silly tornado scene and the scene where Sups jumps over the truck and the building explodes behind him. Superman would have stopped that truck, but Snyder likes explosions, so forget what the character should do, explosions are kewl! Also the kiss between Sups and Lois while they're standing on the bones of all those dead people.

Anyways, by the end of MOS Clark looks to be going in the right direction, smiling, confident, optimistic and happy that he found his purpose, but BVS completely ruined that progress and made him a sad, pessimistic, always scowling, and without tact or common sense when dealing with Batman.

 

[jye4ever]

Literally there did not need to be a BvS battle in the movie called BvS lol

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

"Next time they shine your light in the sky, don't go to it. The Bat is dead, bury it. Consider this mercy. Also, **** your car and your costume is wack. Consider this mercy." - Superman