Zack Snyder's Justice League

[Khev]

Ray Fisher definitely thinks that JL is an issue of black and white.

 

[ironwez20]

I think he needs to let it go. Move on and find better work. yea they most likely screwed him but it's over now. he's acting like this was his big break and that cyborg was going to win him an oscar. Do what Boyega did and say it was unfair and move on.

 

[The Buffinator]

The way I understand it, they were against an "angry black man" being the center of the movie, i.e. the the "soul" of the movie, as Snyder put it. It probably went against their desire to make a lighter, more friendly JL movie. I don't think it's about fearing some "stereotype"...
If they had said "we can't have an angry man at the center of the movie" it would've been alright, and no one would've payed attention, but the fact that they put (consciously or unconsciously) "black" in the phrase just makes it sound bad (and racist).
And if they indeed did get rid of any black people in the movie, well then... what can I say...

As far as I can tell the only significant black character cut was Iris West. Fisher still had a large role (arguably more significant than Aquaman & Flash), as did Joe Morton. But when they were tasked with getting down to 2 hours from the 4 hours plus that Snyder had put together, you're not dedicating more screen time to Cyborg's story at the expense of the Big 3. That's not a decision that's motivated by race, it's just common sense. Now obviously that decision didn't work out, but I don't think even MORE Cyborg within a 2 hour run time edict would have worked either.

 

[jye4ever]

Ray Fisher definitely thinks that JL is an issue of black and white.

If he thinks he was wronged he should speak to Gina Carano.

The dummy publicly quit himself then complained he was removed from the Flash movie

Like buff just said a 2 hour movie called the JL isn’t going to be all about Cyborg and Iris lol

As far as I can tell the only significant black character cut was Iris West. Fisher still had a large role (arguably more significant than Aquaman & Flash), as did Joe Morton. But when they were tasked with getting down to 2 hours from the 4 hours plus that Snyder had put together, you're not dedicating more screen time to Cyborg's story at the expense of the Big 3. That's not a decision that's motivated by race, it's just common sense. Now obviously that decision didn't work out, but I don't think even MORE Cyborg within a 2 hour run time edict would have worked either.

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[abake]

Ray Fisher definitely thinks that JL is an issue of black and white.

 

[abake]

As far as I can tell the only significant black character cut was Iris West. Fisher still had a large role (arguably more significant than Aquaman & Flash), as did Joe Morton. But when they were tasked with getting down to 2 hours from the 4 hours plus that Snyder had put together, you're not dedicating more screen time to Cyborg's story at the expense of the Big 3. That's not a decision that's motivated by race, it's just common sense. Now obviously that decision didn't work out, but I don't think even MORE Cyborg within a 2 hour run time edict would have worked either.

Can't disagree with that statement.

 

[moose]

Can't disagree with that statement.

On the contrary the movie should show case Cyborg, Flash and Aquaman more prominently as Superman is dead for the most of the movie and we have already seen Batman and Wonder Woman in BvS the 3 characters who needed more time were Aquaman Flash and Cyborg . And this is not the first time the screwed a movie. You can clearly see they cut out scenes for cyborg that were shown in the trailers. They did the same crap to Leto in suicide squad another movie they wanted to make fun and light and they messed with.

Clearly they messed with his part because he was all gloom and doom and they wanted light and funny. This was breakout movie they total sabotaged his career with poor management why else would they have fired Geoff Jon's and the other guy.You can tell the characters they dont really have a plan for they let them use in tv shows I believe ray fisher when he says geoff John's threatens his career and mocked him by saying he is introducing a cyborg in doom squad to replace him.

People in power are protected and if you stand up to them you risk it all. It's not the first time people in power have abused it happens everyday in regular places all over the world.



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[abake]

I see your point, but I think in the overall plan that WB set in motion with Whedon, they felt they needed to rely on their big guns, AKA Batman and Wonder Woman, not "waste" time with the lesser characters.
I don't agree with the decisions they made, but I think the Buff's argument makes sense.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I wonder if Snyder's Flash will have a different personality?

 

[matticus]

Just look at WB's animated movies and comics. WB puts Batman on like every cover of their animated shows and Batman seems to be involved in group team possible. IMHO, I think what Marvel holds over DC is that it actually takes place in the real world. DC has a bunch of fictitious names for their main cities. If I was in charge, I would change them. Another problem is that most of them have god-like powers, which is hard for some people to have something relatable to. Unfortunately, you just have to use life experiences (aka writing) as the best way to get to that point. People want to rip Snyder for his choices, look at how OP WW is. Riding on lightning with a lasso? REALLY?

 

[loki2371]

I wonder if Snyder's Flash will have a different personality?

The Flash is one of the worst parts of this movie. Other than a recast, there is no way to improve him..

I still can't believe they are still going ahead with a Flash movie staring him.

 

[matticus]

The Flash is one of the worst parts of this movie. Other than a recast, there is no way to improve him..

I still can't believe they are still going ahead with a Flash movie staring him.

Sounded like he wasn't the jokester in Snyder's Cut. He might be the most improved part of the movie!

 

[loki2371]

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Steppenwolf without his helmet....

 

[The Buffinator]

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Steppenwolf without his helmet....

As if that head needs a helmet....

 

[jye4ever]

 

[moose]

I see your point, but I think in the overall plan that WB set in motion with Whedon, they felt they needed to rely on their big guns, AKA Batman and Wonder Woman, not "waste" time with the lesser characters.
I don't agree with the decisions they made, but I think the Buff's argument makes sense.

Yeah I understand the business point of it hence why batman is basicly james bond constantly being rebooted. But this movie really need 3 hours like BvS. 2 hours was ridiculous or they should have done the traditional every character has his own and bring them together for a team up. I guess he figured I pulled it off I'm BvS I can do it here too.

My critic of movies is just a simiple one regardless of the changes that place was I entertained. BvS for me was were things did not gel to well . I wish they did a traditional sequel to man of steel and I like it when they adapt storylines from comics as opposed to make it up. The artificial conflict between batman and superman was bloated a bit and I get what he is trying to do force them to fight to the death . But I never could get behind the ideas of batman using the guns in the batmobile and bat plane. Since his he never kills is established he is not punisher.

But the rest was good but i really looking forward to the death and return of superman in movie format this stripped approach was a wasted opportunity for me.

But what WB is doing now is clearly sabotage releasing the news that they are rebooting superman before JL comes out. They are signaling they and done with Zack Vision. Do they think us fans can be so easily pushed aside we can sink a franchise learn from disney yeah it made money but it killed any future movies. They were forced to reboot on the small screen. Do they really think they can rail road us. If they launch a new superman if we dont like it we can sink it . I am not opposed to a reboot but I never felt I was finished with the existing superman I feel we got cheated out of a larger universe that was being built but to throw that all away and simiply reboot it. Its ridiculous.





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[darth dennis]

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Steppenwolf without his helmet....

You are NOT buying hats off the rack, that's for sure!

 

[The Buffinator]

You are NOT buying hats off the rack, that's for sure!

That head IS a hat rack.

 

[jye4ever]

 

[Khev]

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Steppenwolf without his helmet....

His head is like a Y-Wing with a face, lol.