Zack Snyder's Justice League

[GaryPool]

Has the merchandising department started selling Aquaman scented jumpers yet? I would like a new knitted jumper for next winter than smells of Merman.

 

[ZombieRepublican]

Holy crap

I am rubbing my eyes refusing to believe that Disney is treating BvS better than WB lol

Things are more ****ed up over there at WB than what is public knowledge

In the UK, there?s currently no way of see either in 4K. In fact the only way to see it in HD is with an expensive cable service called Sky Cinema.


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[ironwez20]

The flash doesn't suck, but this version with Ezra Miller sure does. They made him more like Kid Flash. I still haven't watched this yet (maybe next week) but Ezra is awful as Flash. So I have no desire for the upcoming Flash movie. As long as it is based on this character, there is no way I will like it or be able to enjoy it.

As for Lex...

I don't get WB at all. The last 2 versions of Lex have been so awful. Zuckerberg is one of the reasons I can't stand BvS and was never able to rewatch the UE version. The minute I see him on screen, I just think **** NO and get totally taken out of the movie. And then on CW Supergirl they cast John Cryer. I honestly don't know which is worse.

We have never seen a good, serious evil businessman Lex Luthor. I want Lex from the JL cartoon. Gene Hackman/Kevin Spacey was a petty criminal "genius" who couldn't get past real estate in 2 attempts. And awful comedy attempts. Kevin Spacey just followed the formula and tried to be a more serious Gene Hackman.

Neither ruined the movie like Zuckerberg did, but c'mon WB... Give us a serious bad *** Lex Luthor already!!!

I would love to see a Superman against Lex in some cool *** looking Power Armor.

I don?t understand the lex thing either. It?s silly that Superman is up against a jittery little kid and not a grizzled businessman with a god complex who is stone cold and calculating. DC just loves making him some comedy loser in each movie and not who he actually is.

 

[Bravomite]

I don?t understand the lex thing either. It?s silly that Superman is up against a jittery little kid and not a grizzled businessman with a god complex who is stone cold and calculating. DC just loves making him some comedy loser in each movie and not who he actually is.

It's because those jittery little kids run silicone valley these days and that is turning into the real powerhouse of the future (and they still have god complexes). The landscape of the grizzled businessman, the Lex we know from the comics is changing (though not as rapidly as popular perception would have you believe). It is now often portrayed in modern media and discussion as an outdated dinosaur archetype, toxic masculinity, that will be replaced by younger jittery kids, women and diversity. So I guess to modern younger audiences the Lex we know would not appeal. As mentioned earlier, I've come to appreciate this reimagining more as time has gone on but I really really disliked the portrayal at first.

 

[jye4ever]

Ok just an fyi the new BvS ratio is NOT thru the entire movie like ZSJL only parts of it!

Honestly I think this is a first i’ve never seen a movie jump around from 2:35 to 1:43 I know the regular IMAX ratios go from 2:35 to 1:85!

Really unique that Zach Snyder lol

Does anyone ever remember seeing a movie go from 2:35 to 1:43 at home?

 

[GaryPool]

Any news of the new Joker footage released with the Justice is Grey edition? Supposedly up on HBO Max but not heard anything regarding the new footage.

 

[Khev]

Ok just an fyi the new BvS ratio is NOT thru the entire movie like ZSJL only parts of it!

Honestly I think this is a first i?ve never seen a movie jump around from 2:35 to 1:43 I know the regular IMAX ratios go from 2:35 to 1:85!

Really unique that Zach Snyder lol

Does anyone ever remember seeing a movie go from 2:35 to 1:43 at home?

Nope that will be the most jarring back and forth possible, lol. I saw BvS in Liemax so the full screen elements (Knightmare, Batman/Supes fight) were noticeable but not off-putting. 2.35:1 to 1.43:1 is crazy but if that's how he shot it bring it on, lol.

 

[Khev]

So they just added Justice is Gray but still no IMAX BvS, lol.

 

[The Buffinator]

I think even if you hate Snyder, you have to agree he?s done a lot m of the best work in any comic book movie:

The casting is a masterclass, even Lex (if he wasn?t played as ace Ventura)

The visuals are always incredible

Specific scenes like Flash?s intro or the Batman Warehouse, or the Watchmen prologue.

Character costume design. I think no one is even close to beating him here.


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I wouldn't call it masterclass, but other than Lex and Flash I agree the casting has been quite good. Eisenberg should stick to roles like Columbus in Zombieland. Miller, while less annoying in ZSJL, still seems to me like a B-List choice. Maybe I'll feel differently after his solo movie. I've got no problem with Momoa's Aquaman - he's definitely an upgrade over the comic version. Amber Heard as Mera is nothing to write home about, but I suppose she's not the worst.

Agree on the costume designs save for The Flash - IMO his suit was a dud. I liked the concept (using the heat resistant materials), but the execution wasn't quite there. Maybe if Miller didn't have such a slight frame & actually knew how to run I'd feel differently? Hard to say. His suit in the Knightmare scene (really only saw his head I think) looked like it might have been an improvement.

 

[jye4ever]

Nope that will be the most jarring back and forth possible, lol. I saw BvS in Liemax so the full screen elements (Knightmare, Batman/Supes fight) were noticeable but not off putting. 2.35:1 to 1.43:1 is crazy but if that's how he framed it bring it on, lol.

Dude no joke it is really jarring yet oddly satisfying lol

Oh look Zach is story boarding his new movie:

 

[jye4ever]

Ok there is absolutely no reason to watch this movie in B&W!

I agree with ajp though had it been with a narrative color transition I would’ve totally been on board with it but as is hell no lol

 

[Khev]

Dude no joke it is really jarring yet oddly satisfying lol

I know right, lol.

Oh look Zach is story boarding his new movie:

 

[Khev]

Ok there is absolutely no reason to watch this movie in B&W!

I agree with ajp though had it been with a narrative color transition I would’ve totally been on board with it but as is hell no lol

Maybe Zack made them release this to shame Whedon even further. "Look even if my superheroes don't have any colors my cut is still better than yours," lol.

Silent version comes out next month followed by a pdf of just the script, lol.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Looking forward to reading your thoughts after a second viewing.

I watched the first half last night. Ending it at that last frame of the closeup shot from Cyborg's Superman hologram is the way to go. Ideally, the next scene (Martha/Lois & the Manhunter) would be an end credits scene, but oh well. Gonna give it another day or two before watching "Part Two."

I think I might be enjoying it even more this second time. Having watched the story unfold once before, I can now concentrate more on appreciating the cinematography, the visuals, and other production elements. There are some sequences where the shot framing and camera movement make me want to immediately rewind and just appreciate the visuals again. The part during the opening title sequence when Bruce descends the mountain/hillside on foot to peer down onto Arthur's village is a great example.

The Cyborg stuff is probably my favorite. The visual representation of the conceptual framework for how he "sees" the world through tech gets a big thumbs up from me. Whether it's the giant bull vs. bear statues butting heads to symbolize financial markets, or the way he walks through history, or how money/accounts are in stacks of bills . . . I find the imaginative elements enjoyable and satisfying. And I like Victor's story. Also have to give Ray Fisher his props; I think he did a great job in this version. Dude has an effective gravitas on screen, imo.

These JL characters have a pretty good dynamic together. Each distinctly different, and you get the sense why they admire aspects of one another. The chemistry totally works for me. I like them all.

The plot is the source of most of my problems with the movie, but I don't want to get into that since none of it is any sort of deal-breaker. There's also some bad cgi that is blatantly distracting. And some stuff is just too heavy-handed and on the nose. So many mentions of "unity" to drive home the fact that it's the central theme? And song lyrics like "They told us our gods would outlive us" playing over scenes of mourning Superman, and "There is a kingdom, and there is a king" playing over Aquaman slo-mo sequences... not exactly subtle.


Overall, though, I just feel like a happy kid watching this stuff. I love all the design elements and action sequences. I want more of every aspect of this world. I'd even like to see more of the era of the Old Gods and the early Lanterns, Atlantians, and Amazons. I just dig this playground of characters and their interpretation.

I'll end my babbling by pointing out that I laughed out loud when Diana turns to the little girl after violently blowing up the building wall and says, "It's all good" with a comforting smile on her face as bloody bodies from her carnage lie strewn on the floor. I also laughed at the very JJJ response from Commissioner Gordon upon seeing Cyborg.

 

[ironwez20]

It's because those jittery little kids run silicone valley these days and that is turning into the real powerhouse of the future (and they still have god complexes). The landscape of the grizzled businessman, the Lex we know from the comics is changing (though not as rapidly as popular perception would have you believe). It is now often portrayed in modern media and discussion as an outdated dinosaur archetype, toxic masculinity, that will be replaced by younger jittery kids, women and diversity. So I guess to modern younger audiences the Lex we know would not appeal. As mentioned earlier, I've come to appreciate this reimagining more as time has gone on but I really really disliked the portrayal at first.

Lol then make him into a ****** Jake Paul type character then. Not some joker riddler wanna be. Lex isn?t even supposed to be a kid. I don?t get why they did that anyway. Make him the same age as Superman .

The kids who are influencers and such don?t act anything like him. They act very ****** made and college frat like. I don?t know. Very silly casting and acting . Also the stoic businessman isn?t dead. I still see those. They are the ones that are the boss of the influencer kids and run the corporations that finance there wealth .

 

[ironwez20]

Maybe Zack made them release this to shame Whedon even further. "Look even if my superheroes don't have any colors my cut is still better than yours," lol.

Silent version comes out next month followed by a pdf of just the script, lol.

Poor whedon. He was only just a marvel spy sent by feige to infiltrate DC headquarters to ruin the movie. It?s not his fault feige ...... pffft lol I could t finish it was to stupid . Can?t believe people actually think that?s what happened.

 

[YoNoSe]

The Snyder Versionsssssssss

Ine version cannot contain his unbridled vision.

 

[Khev]

I watched the first half last night. Ending it at that last frame of the closeup shot from Cyborg's Superman hologram is the way to go. Ideally, the next scene (Martha/Lois & the Manhunter) would be an end credits scene, but oh well. Gonna give it another day or two before watching "Part Two."

I think I might be enjoying it even more this second time. Having watched the story unfold once before, I can now concentrate more on appreciating the cinematography, the visuals, and other production elements. There are some sequences where the shot framing and camera movement make me want to immediately rewind and just appreciate the visuals again. The part during the opening title sequence when Bruce descends the mountain/hillside on foot to peer down onto Arthur's village is a great example.

The Cyborg stuff is probably my favorite. The visual representation of the conceptual framework for how he "sees" the world through tech gets a big thumbs up from me. Whether it's the giant bull vs. bear statues butting heads to symbolize financial markets, or the way he walks through history, or how money/accounts are in stacks of bills . . . I find the imaginative elements enjoyable and satisfying. And I like Victor's story. Also have to give Ray Fisher his props; I think he did a great job in this version. Dude has an effective gravitas on screen, imo.

These JL characters have a pretty good dynamic together. Each distinctly different, and you get the sense why they admire aspects of one another. The chemistry totally works for me. I like them all.

The plot is the source of most of my problems with the movie, but I don't want to get into that since none of it is any sort of deal-breaker. There's also some bad cgi that is blatantly distracting. And some stuff is just too heavy-handed and on the nose. So many mentions of "unity" to drive home the fact that it's the central theme? And song lyrics like "They told us our gods would outlive us" playing over scenes of mourning Superman, and "There is a kingdom, and there is a king" playing over Aquaman slo-mo sequences... not exactly subtle.


Overall, though, I just feel like a happy kid watching this stuff. I love all the design elements and action sequences. I want more of every aspect of this world. I'd even like to see more of the era of the Old Gods and the early Lanterns, Atlantians, and Amazons. I just dig this playground of characters and their interpretation.

I'll end my babbling by pointing out that I laughed out loud when Diana turns to the little girl after violently blowing up the building wall and says, "It's all good" with a comforting smile on her face as bloody bodies from her carnage lie strewn on the floor. I also laughed at the very JJJ response from Commissioner Gordon upon seeing Cyborg.

YES!!!! Agree with literally everything though I do like the "there is a king" song for Aquaman's slo-mo walk, what can I say I just think it works regardless of how on the nose it is, lol. I'm so glad you mentioned Bruce on the cliff above Arthur's village. I *love* that even though he's in normal civilian attire and out on remote tundra they STILL found a way for his first scene to be him standing on a rocky ledge looking down at buildings. Even outside of Gotham he's still Batman.

Totally agree on all the Cyborg gravitas and visual translation of his cybernetic awareness and being utterly enthralled with every corner of the amazing on-screen world that Zack created.

And yep I love how all the heroes interact both personally and as a team. They even found a way to make Batman vital to the end battle despite the crazy super beings they were up against. Him blowing the head off the parademon that was about to do the same to Barry even gave him an assist in Flash's reversing time maneuver.

 

[jye4ever]

Maybe Zack made them release this to shame Whedon even further. "Look even if my superheroes don't have any colors my cut is still better than yours," lol.

Silent version comes out next month followed by a pdf of just the script, lol.

The Charlie Chaplin Cut

 

[jye4ever]

I'll end my babbling by pointing out that I laughed out loud when Diana turns to the little girl after violently blowing up the building wall and says, "It's all good" with a comforting smile on her face as bloody bodies from her carnage lie strewn on the floor. I also laughed at the very JJJ response from Commissioner Gordon upon seeing Cyborg.

Epic lol