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YES!!!! :rock Agree with literally everything though I do like the "there is a king" song for Aquaman's slo-mo walk, what can I say I just think it works regardless of how on the nose it is, lol. I'm so glad you mentioned Bruce on the cliff above Arthur's village. I *love* that even though he's in normal civilian attire and out on remote tundra they STILL found a way for his first scene to be him standing on a rocky ledge looking down at buildings. Even outside of Gotham he's still Batman. :rock

Totally agree on all the Cyborg gravitas and visual translation of his cybernetic awareness and being utterly enthralled with every corner of the amazing on-screen world that Zack created.

And yep I love how all the heroes interact both personally and as a team. They even found a way to make Batman vital to the end battle despite the crazy super beings they were up against. Him blowing the head off the parademon that was about to do the same to Barry even gave him an assist in Flash's reversing time maneuver.

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Great point about handling Batman as part of this team of "gods" fighting otherwordly powerful evils. He's portrayed as effective, but not in a way where Zack had to cheat in order to give Batman purpose in these battles.

That's something I've always had an issue with when a human character like Batman is on a team of superpowered godlike beings. How can he possibly be of any use against alien hordes? And how does he even survive?

There's a great panel in a John Byrne FF comic where Daredevil and Spidey are watching a fight against Galactus and just basically telling each other that they have no role to play in something like that. :lol But I don't get that sense from Batman in ZSJL. He leads strategically and he takes care of things that seem within his skill set and tech/armor capacity. Thankfully, it just works.


:lol That scene is gonna be a goldmine for a long time to come.
 
That WW bank scene ending with the kid just might be my most favorite superhero moment ever put on film sorry On Your Left Avengers Assemble Cap lol

Don’t worry parents i’m here to protect your children from these bad men now watch as I turn them all into mush and then disintegrate the last guy and destroy infrastructure even though I could have easily tied him up with my lasso.....

Oh hi little girl did those scary men frighten you lol
 
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Wonder Woman was all:

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I think even if you hate Snyder, you have to agree he?s done a lot m of the best work in any comic book movie:

Nah.

The casting is a masterclass, even Lex (if he wasn?t played as ace Ventura)

How much of a role did he play in the casting though? I thought some of these roles were picked from higher ups. Casting for Flash, Joker, Lex was utterly horrendous. Aquamomoa was good for Aquamomoa, terrible for Aquaman. Heard is trash as Mera and trash as herself. Affleck isn?t a good Bruce Wayne, average Batman, too big. Not impressed. Would make for a better true TDKR Batman than the half-assed attempt. Amy Adams as Lois Lane was a joke, too old, not hot, red head. Gal Gadot, while good as version of WW, still isn?t Wonder Woman to me. This is Wonder Woman. Gina Carano was still the best choice. Gal gives off to much fairy princess vibes.

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Cavill was good though.

The visuals are always incredible

I?ve seen better visuals on the Xbox Series X. Hate the darkness, hate the environment he tries to create.

Specific scenes like Flash?s intro or the Batman Warehouse, or the Watchmen prologue.

Flash?s intro was one of the worst scenes of ZSJL and everything wrong with the character. I?ll give you the other two though.

Character costume design. I think no one is even close to beating him here.

Nolan?s designs were great and fit his vision perfectly. Marvel?s designs were more good than bad too.

Snyder?s designs were mixed. Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman were great. Really love Knightmare Batman especially. Flash, Cyborg, Aquaman were horrible, very ugly looking heroes. Cyborg was way too small. Aquaman armor was ugly. Flash suit looks like a kid designed it.
 
I’m just curious of those who liked this movie how many comics have you read? For me, damn near everything for modern Batman, all Aquaman for the last 10 years or so and any JL appearances, lots of Justice League dating back to the late 90s to present, various Wonder Woman titles, read Cyborg in some Teen Titans and JL appearances, various Flash runs over the last 20 years, Superman mostly his best graphic novels, JL appearances, teamups with Batman.

I feel like if you are disconnected from the comics ZSJL is better received.
 
I’m just curious of those who liked this movie how many comics have you read? For me, damn near everything for modern Batman, all Aquaman for the last 10 years or so and any JL appearances, lots of Justice League dating back to the late 90s to present, various Wonder Woman titles, read Cyborg in some Teen Titans and JL appearances, various Flash runs over the last 20 years, Superman mostly his best graphic novels, JL appearances, teamups with Batman.

I feel like if you are disconnected from the comics ZSJL is better received.

I disagree with you, i have a similar background as you in comics and i love his vision with the DC characters.
Of all the other modern DC directors(Nolan, Wan, Jenkins,Sandberg), he fits best with the themes of DC comics, just like Gunn, Ayer and Cathy Yan.

Since the first Crisis all of the best of DC sagas is similiar to the way Snyder writes his characters.
 
Remember this Lex is actually Lexs son. In my head there was always a possibility Lex fakes his death and could have returned. Originally Zack wanted Cranston to be Lex until he saw how much of a **** Eisenberg is.



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Huh... :dunno

Did I miss something when I was tuning out of the movie?? :lol

When was it ever stated that this BvS version of Lex played by Jesse Eisenberg was Lex Luthor's son?
 
I disagree with you, i have a similar background as you in comics and i love his vision with the DC characters.
Of all the other modern DC directors(Nolan, Wan, Jenkins,Sandberg), he fits best with the themes of DC comics, just like Gunn, Ayer and Cathy Yan.

Since the first Crisis all of the best of DC sagas is similiar to the way Snyder writes his characters.

What are the best sagas to you?

Don't agree with that whatsoever though. Aquamomoa isn't Aquaman seen in New 52 and Rebirth. Not even close.

Batman doesn't shoot and kill with guns, doesn't operate on faith (outside of the Bat-Family even then he hides things from them), doesn't have no plan. Even in the newest JL stories Batman still hides things from the JL and does things without telling them (see Metal using the family in the JL chase or using Jarro on Starman). Nothing like any Batman I've ever read.

Even Flash as this ultra goof up, cares more about a hot dog than saving Iris as quickly as he can, total loser... just not the Barry Allen I envision.

You can make a case for some similarities with Wonder Woman, Cyborg at the end of the movie, Superman a little...
 
What are the best sagas to you?

Don't agree with that whatsoever though. Aquamomoa isn't Aquaman seen in New 52 and Rebirth. Not even close.

Batman doesn't shoot and kill with guns, doesn't operate on faith (outside of the Bat-Family even then he hides things from them), doesn't have no plan. Even in the newest JL stories Batman still hides things from the JL and does things without telling them (see Metal using the family in the JL chase or using Jarro on Starman). Nothing like any Batman I've ever read.

Even Flash as this ultra goof up, cares more about a hot dog than saving Iris as quickly as he can, total loser... just not the Barry Allen I envision.

You can make a case for some similarities with Wonder Woman, Cyborg at the end of the movie, Superman a little...

DC sagas: The killing Joke, Miller's Batman, Morrison's JL, Crisis(All of them), Doomsday Clook, Identity Crisis, Etc.... the Batman who laughs whole arc, the thing is we can enjoy even the "All Star Batman and Robin the Boy Wonder" if we try to understand the reason why Frank Miller wrote that prequel to TDK, remember art is subjective.
Yesterday i reread TDK2, and i actually really enjoied the book for the first time in my life.
Aquaman is not Mamoa because he is not blonde? its an adaptation, his vision of Aquaman.
I think he should choose Wally instead of Barry, Barry is boring.
You don't like his Vision and that's okay, i get it and i won't change your mind, we are both PT lovers so we get how this is a no win scenario, i will love Snyder's vision and you will hate, but we have Hayden's Anakin to love together.
 

Dumb reply is dumb. Batman is so established using guns you needed to find a statue of him now? :lol:lol:lol Not many panels huh?

You obviously haven't read many Batman comics. 99.99% of Batman comics features no gun used by him. Hell it was a rule established by DC pretty early on and is now accepted that Batman uses no gun... even the smallest of comic fans know this. I already mentioned the TDKR similarities. The guns used fired rubber bullets, explosions, and like super sonic sounds.

Batman: Odyessy was a wacky story. Ridiculous. Controversial. That story is considered one of the worst ever.

The other picture was him shooting Dolphins if I'm not mistaken, like in 1970 :lol Sure, you can find a bunch of Silver Age garbage too if you wanted Batman using guns in ridiculous ways.

Also uses one in Final Crisis, which was fairly notable, why didn't you include it comic super fan?

The other one was from Legends of the Dark Knight. He was shooting some guy who turned into a monster. He shot the dudes self grown guns off and then dropped the gun :lol

ZSJL had Batman using a gun for a majority of his action scenes going full on Punisher. Never seen in comics. Show me a story like that super comic fan.
 
Ducky you need to chill. Batman hangs a mental patient in Batman #1. He also shoots Darkside in the chest one time. Just cause you don?t like it, doesn?t mean Snyders interpretation isn?t valid.

Even Bale Batman kills a whole castle of people by blowing it up

A fan of the prequel trilogy should be more humble


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You are :cuckoo: if you think BATMAN.... USING A GUN.... FOR MOST ACTION SCENES... is perfectly sensical.

You might as well make a movie about Obi-Wan Kenobi using nothing but guns because he used one one time. That is basically the logic being used here.
 
Are you still going on about this Ducky?

This is a version of Batman, just like the Miller TDKR Batman is a version.
There have been other instances where Batman uses guns and kills people, so this is no different than that. Snyder is showing a Batman that has been broken, who has lost faith and has become brutal and vengeful. Alfred calls him out on it. Just like Bruce says, "how many people have stayed good?". Just like the world has become radicalised, so has Batman. That is the whole point of BvS, it's showing us what Batman shouldn't be like and takes us along in his arc of redemption when Batman finds his humanity by acknowledging Superman's humanity. If you don't understand that, then it's obvious you don't understand the movie.

And just a quick google search as to when and why Batman has used guns before (not particularly well-written articles, but they do point out comics/stories where Batman has indeed used guns).

https://www.gamesradar.com/history-batman-guns/

https://www.cbr.com/batman-gun-use-why/
 
It's like none of you can actually read what I originally wrote. I'll bold it this time.

What are the best sagas to you?

Don't agree with that whatsoever though. Aquamomoa isn't Aquaman seen in New 52 and Rebirth. Not even close.

Batman doesn't shoot and kill with guns, doesn't operate on faith (outside of the Bat-Family even then he hides things from them), doesn't have no plan. Even in the newest JL stories Batman still hides things from the JL and does things without telling them (see Metal using the family in the JL chase or using Jarro on Starman). Nothing like any Batman I've ever read.

Even Flash as this ultra goof up, cares more about a hot dog than saving Iris as quickly as he can, total loser... just not the Barry Allen I envision.

You can make a case for some similarities with Wonder Woman, Cyborg at the end of the movie, Superman a little...

Find me a comic where Batman goes Punisher. I'll wait.
 
It's like none of you can actually read what I originally wrote. I'll bold it this time.



Find me a comic where Batman goes Punisher. I'll wait.

I think you hate comics and hate Batman cause you clearly haven?t actually read any comics. You also hate google and evidence.

Also Batfleck only shoots one guy with a gun. And it wasn?t even a direct shot


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I think you hate comics and hate Batman cause you clearly haven?t actually read any comics. You also hate google and evidence.

Also Batfleck only shoots one guy with a gun. And it wasn?t even a direct shot


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This isn't an answer. Answer my question. Where does Batman shoot and kill with guns. I want to see a comic where Batman spends 75%+ of his time fighting shooting guns like he did in ZSJL. I want to see a comic where batman shoots and kills like Punisher like he did in ZSJL. I want to see it. You must not have watched the movie if you think he shoots only one guy. The entire time he is shooting parademons with a gun or the batmobile.

Clearly you haven't read Batman comics when literally 99.9% of all Batman comics feature him not using a gun and a bunch of you are sitting here actually saying it is normal? Seriously, what are y'all on?

I've already explained the others away, clearly you didn't read that either.

TDKR, actually read it, and see how Batman uses that "gun." See what that gun shoots.

His entire fighting style in ZSJL was focused on shooting guns, that isn't Batman, that hasn't been a Bruce Wayne Batman story.

Bunch of freaking :cuckoo::cuckoo::cuckoo::cuckoo: heads here. Can't even believe this is an actual conversation.

Anyone, answer the questions. Actually provide context instead of mindlessly googling "batman with gun" and thinking that is good enough. You fools can't even do that much.
 
Nah.



How much of a role did he play in the casting though? I thought some of these roles were picked from higher ups. Casting for Flash, Joker, Lex was utterly horrendous. Aquamomoa was good for Aquamomoa, terrible for Aquaman. Heard is trash as Mera and trash as herself. Affleck isn?t a good Bruce Wayne, average Batman, too big. Not impressed. Would make for a better true TDKR Batman than the half-assed attempt. Amy Adams as Lois Lane was a joke, too old, not hot, red head. Gal Gadot, while good as version of WW, still isn?t Wonder Woman to me. This is Wonder Woman. Gina Carano was still the best choice. Gal gives off to much fairy princess vibes.

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Actually, from everything I've read, yes, the casting is Snyder's (other than the Joker, I'm guessing).

The thing dude, is you just throw these statements out without any arguments to back them up.
You say "Casting for Flash, Joker, Lex was utterly horrendous." Why? Because Flash isn't a towering aryan blonde? Because you don't like his portrayal as a young insecure man? Because you don't think Flash should be the comic relief? You can't have an intelligent discussion if you don't make intelligent arguments.
A lot of people dislike Snyder's and Eisenberg's Lex, but they point out why. I always liked him because I loved how Snyder was riffing on the Silicon Valley Zuckerberg-type Tech Moguls.
I get that Momoa is not the way Aquaman is portrayed in the comics (another towering aryan blonde...), but the characterisation as the unwilling heir to the throne rings a bell from the comics I've read. Granted, not many, but that take on the character is there. And again, it's a version, one possible interpretation that fits with Snyder's leit-motif of estrangement.
So Amber Heard is trash... nice. Women can be categorised as either hot (your dislike of Amy Adams) or trash (Heard). But I digress... why is Heard's Mera trash?
You say Affleck is a bad Bruce Wayne. Why? You say he's average as Batman. Why? You say he's too big, but he's been portrayed as a hulking brute of a man many times. So why is he "too big"? Again, you put up no arguments to back any of it up.
Amy Adams is not hot enough to play Lois Lane? Seriously? That is your argument? :slap And she has been drawn as a redhead, BTW... So, why is she "a joke" for you?
Thankfully you do acknowledge that Gal Gadot is a good version of WW...

Cavill was good though.

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I?ve seen better visuals on the Xbox Series X. Hate the darkness, hate the environment he tries to create.

I don't have an Xbox, so I've no idea what you're talking about. But then it's "I hate" this and "I hate" that... Right... :dunno
You don't really expect a real conversation there, do you?
At any rate, I do agree with others who have stated that some of the CGI looks bad, the Diana scene in front of the Amazonian temple comes to mind. That looks pretty poorly rendered.

Flash?s intro was one of the worst scenes of ZSJL and everything wrong with the character. I?ll give you the other two though.

Why do you think it's bad? Again, do you dislike how he is portrayed? I don't think you have ever stated what it is about the character that bothers you.

Nolan?s designs were great and fit his vision perfectly. Marvel?s designs were more good than bad too.

So, if Nolan's designs fit his vision they're good, but if Snyder's designs fit his vision, they're bad?

Snyder?s designs were mixed. Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman were great. Really love Knightmare Batman especially. Flash, Cyborg, Aquaman were horrible, very ugly looking heroes. Cyborg was way too small. Aquaman armor was ugly. Flash suit looks like a kid designed it.

So what is it about Knightmare Batman that makes you "love" it? It's a very different look from what Batman usually looks like... I don't particularly like it, but it makes perfect sense in that post-apocalyptic world, so I'm fine with it. But you seem to dislike things that deviate from the majority of the comics, so why does this tickle your fancy?
Flash's suit is, technically, designed by a kid. Without much resources. At the beginning of his "career" as a superhero. Makes sense to me that it looks cobbled together. To you it's just "ugly".
Cyborg is also "ugly" and "too small". No idea, I haven't read many cyborg comics. I did, however, like the design, because it looks alien and not just like any other flashy armour. The way it looks makes sense to me, considering its alien origin.
Aquaman was "horrible" and "ugly". Yeah. Enlightening, as always. It's a matter of taste, of course, but I would point out that Aquaman's armour follows a design theme that is used for all Atlanteans, and design-wise, it also makes sense with its subtle aquatic motifs.

So, yeah. Whatever dude... :lol
 
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