Zack Snyder's Justice League

[Underworld54]

Snyder Cut fans are review bombing Godzilla vs Kong on IMDB in order to send some sort of toxic message. Bunch of losers!

 

[abake]

Snyder Cut fans are review bombing Godzilla vs Kong on IMDB in order to send some sort of toxic message. Bunch of losers!

Idiots.

 

[Underworld54]

They're also doing fun stuff like this.

 

[The Buffinator]

First of all, we need to keep in mind that the Mother Boxes are sentient. They can initiate activity on their own. And I do think that the MB in the movie is what is initiating the Boom Tube.

The part about no Lanterns makes sense because every sector of the galaxy has a dedicated Green Lantern to help protect it. Darkseid and his crew would've been encountering them on other planets. When Steppenwolf reports to Desaad that Earth has no Lantern, he's using two Mother Boxes to communicate back to Apokolips in the first place. So, it could be as simple as using that same tech to scan for Lantern energy signatures.

Or, he could've also made a safe assumption about no Lantern on his own... based on the fact that he arrived via a Boom Tube (not exactly inconspicuous ) and wasn't eventually confronted by one.

As for mentioning that there's no Kryptonian, that one confused me right from the first viewing. I don't understand why Desaad would expect a Kryptonian to be protecting Earth, so I have no idea how or why that came up from Steppenwolf. That's something I remain totally lost about.


Unity was needed for terraforming Earth (or any planet) into a new version of Apokolips. That's Darkseid's goal. Unity of the Mother Boxes would allow this terraforming, and would enable utilization of the Anti-Life Equation.

In the comics, a Mother Box can open a Boom Tube portal on its own; no unification necessary. The same seems true in ZSJL.

So if the MBs are sentient and can initiate activity & open portals on their own, why did they let the portal close? Also, what was the point of separating them to prevent the Unity? Based on your explanation they could have just reunified while everyone's heads were turned staring up at Darkseid & DeSaad.

p.s. - Now I'm thinking YOU'RE the Sith Lord. Due to my love of these characters I've found that I've grown more accepting of BvS over the years, flaws and all. I was thinking the same thing would occur with ZSJL, but you're not making it any easier by giving me more ammunition!

 

[YoNoSe]

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[jye4ever]

I still can’t believe that new BvS is on a Disney owned service but still not on HBOMAX!!

Holy crap WB!

 

[YoNoSe]

That mouse has his hands in a lot of cheese. He drinks your milkshake!

 

[jye4ever]

I know that is ZS son but his cameo didn’t make a lick of sense in MOS.

The first encounter with Superman and they have a kid there dressed as a soldier.....WHY lol

 

[ajp4mgs]

Actually didn't Wonder Woman say that Darkseid and his minions were "from another universe?" That to me implies another dimension, and with reference to "controlling the Multiverse" later in the film suddenly I'm realizing that them losing track of Earth doesn't seem so far fetched if we're talking a needle in a potentially infinite number of haystacks.

If Snyder used/referenced Jack Kirby's original stories of Darkseid, Apokolips, and all of the characters and technology (including Mother Boxes), then all of those elements exist in the "Fourth World" of DC's universe. This is outside of the regions of space occupied by planets like Earth and Krypton, and was originally only accessible by way of using a Boom Tube. Which leads me to...

Also what is a "Boom Tube"? Those glowy cylinders that Steppenwolf would teleport around in?

That's the assumption I had when watching.

I'm pretty sure that Boom Tubes were originally used by Kirby as portals that would allow the New Gods of the Fourth World to travel instantaneously to Earth, and vice versa. I hope someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it was the only way to and from those different "dimensions."

I didn't read those stories growing up, so I'm relying on what I can remember from Darkseid and Fourth World appearances in Superman comics. I don't recall any interactions/access which didn't involve Boom Tubes. But again, I'm sure someone here has more informed answers. I love Darkseid, but pretty much all the rest of that stuff (Granny Goodness, Mr. Miracle, Big Barda & the Female Furries, etc.) isn't my cup of tea, and never was.

What made them know that a kryptonian being near a yellow sun would make them powerful.

Last time they were on earth Superman didn?t exist

That's what has me completely confused. I don't understand how Darkseid, Desaad, or Steppenwolf would've had any clue that Kal-El the Kryptonian had arrived on Earth, was enhanced by the yellow sun, and protected the planet in the same sort of way a Green Lantern would.

So if the MBs are sentient and can initiate activity & open portals on their own, why did they let the portal close? Also, what was the point of separating them to prevent the Unity? Based on your explanation they could have just reunified while everyone's heads were turned staring up at Darkseid & DeSaad.

p.s. - Now I'm thinking YOU'RE the Sith Lord. Due to my love of these characters I've found that I've grown more accepting of BvS over the years, flaws and all. I was thinking the same thing would occur with ZSJL, but you're not making it any easier by giving me more ammunition!

In the movie, the boxes need to be unified to terraform. And the terraforming is what Darkseid wanted. The boxes themselves wouldn't have any reason or ambition for destroying Earth to reform it, right?

The Mother Boxes are definitely sentient in the movie. But there's also exposition about how they can convert matter (destroy/rebuild) but are not destroyers or builders by way of some motive that's either good or evil. They respond to the intent of the user. When Darkseid uses them, he wants to destroy worlds to re-animate them to his liking. When the JL uses them, it's to bring Superman back to life.

The boxes serve both masters. Superman was brought back for the good guys, and Earth was being destroyed for the bad guys (until Flash reversed time). But I assume their more natural "connection" would be with Darkseid and his section of the universe. The only reason Earth's heroes interfaced with it is because Victor's dad found a way to access it. And so Victor himself is now an extension of the same technology.

But I'll stop. Definitely didn't mean to make things worse for you. Sorry about that.

 

[Khev]

That's what has me completely confused. I don't understand how Darkseid, Desaad, or Steppenwolf would've had any clue that Kal-El the Kryptonian had arrived on Earth, was enhanced by the yellow sun, and protected the planet in the same sort of way a Green Lantern would.

Since the Boxes are sentient I'm fine assuming that when they called out to Steppenwolf they advised him that a super powerful Kryptonian woke them up but was no more.

 

[The Buffinator]

In the movie, the boxes need to be unified to terraform. And the terraforming is what Darkseid wanted. The boxes themselves wouldn't have any reason or ambition for destroying Earth to reform it, right?

The Mother Boxes are definitely sentient in the movie. But there's also exposition about how they can convert matter (destroy/rebuild) but are not destroyers or builders by way of some motive that's either good or evil. They respond to the intent of the user. When Darkseid uses them, he wants to destroy worlds to re-animate them to his liking. When the JL uses them, it's to bring Superman back to life.

The boxes serve both masters. Superman was brought back for the good guys, and Earth was being destroyed for the bad guys (until Flash reversed time). But I assume their more natural "connection" would be with Darkseid and his section of the universe. The only reason Earth's heroes interfaced with it is because Victor's dad found a way to access it. And so Victor himself is now an extension of the same technology.

But I'll stop. Definitely didn't mean to make things worse for you. Sorry about that.

Since the Boxes are sentient I'm fine assuming that when they called out to Steppenwolf they advised him that a super powerful Kryptonian woke them up but was no more.

I think ajp's explanation works for me too provided the boxes called to Darkseid and opened a portal to him, as he would have been the last "master" they remembered. Steppenwolf just happened to be the guy who got delegated the assignment to ready Earth for Big D's arrival. I'm not so sure about them telling anyone about Superman's death but I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

 

[e30ernest]

If Snyder used/referenced Jack Kirby's original stories of Darkseid, Apokolips, and all of the characters and technology (including Mother Boxes), then all of those elements exist in the "Fourth World" of DC's universe. This is outside of the regions of space occupied by planets like Earth and Krypton, and was originally only accessible by way of using a Boom Tube. Which leads me to...



That's the assumption I had when watching.

I'm pretty sure that Boom Tubes were originally used by Kirby as portals that would allow the New Gods of the Fourth World to travel instantaneously to Earth, and vice versa. I hope someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it was the only way to and from those different "dimensions."

I didn't read those stories growing up, so I'm relying on what I can remember from Darkseid and Fourth World appearances in Superman comics. I don't recall any interactions/access which didn't involve Boom Tubes. But again, I'm sure someone here has more informed answers. I love Darkseid, but pretty much all the rest of that stuff (Granny Goodness, Mr. Miracle, Big Barda & the Female Furries, etc.) isn't my cup of tea, and never was.



That's what has me completely confused. I don't understand how Darkseid, Desaad, or Steppenwolf would've had any clue that Kal-El the Kryptonian had arrived on Earth, was enhanced by the yellow sun, and protected the planet in the same sort of way a Green Lantern would.



In the movie, the boxes need to be unified to terraform. And the terraforming is what Darkseid wanted. The boxes themselves wouldn't have any reason or ambition for destroying Earth to reform it, right?

The Mother Boxes are definitely sentient in the movie. But there's also exposition about how they can convert matter (destroy/rebuild) but are not destroyers or builders by way of some motive that's either good or evil. They respond to the intent of the user. When Darkseid uses them, he wants to destroy worlds to re-animate them to his liking. When the JL uses them, it's to bring Superman back to life.

The boxes serve both masters. Superman was brought back for the good guys, and Earth was being destroyed for the bad guys (until Flash reversed time). But I assume their more natural "connection" would be with Darkseid and his section of the universe. The only reason Earth's heroes interfaced with it is because Victor's dad found a way to access it. And so Victor himself is now an extension of the same technology.

But I'll stop. Definitely didn't mean to make things worse for you. Sorry about that.

Since the Boxes are sentient I'm fine assuming that when they called out to Steppenwolf they advised him that a super powerful Kryptonian woke them up but was no more.

Wonder Woman said when Darkseid left the boxes on Earth, they became master-less, and hence went to dormancy. So why send the boom tube out at that moment, and why did it send it out to Steppenwulf?

Steppenwulf claims the boxes called to him... ok... but why HIM? Why not Darkseid? Or his other minions? If the boxes are indeed the way boom tubes are created, then I don't think distance should be a factor (it wouldn't call Steppenwulf because he was closer). Also, if they were sentient, wouldn't they call to their master instead of their master's uncle?

Again, the movie never answers why do they call out now.. Why do they wake up now? Superman has only been on Earth for the last 30 years or so out of the over 5 thousand years they've been on Earth (if they have been there before Diana was born, since she was born after man betrayed the Amazonians).

 

[jye4ever]

Wonder Woman said when Darkseid left the boxes on Earth, they became master-less, and hence went to dormancy. So why send the boom tube out at that moment, and why did it send it out to Steppenwulf?

Steppenwulf claims the boxes called to him... ok... but why HIM? Why not Darkseid? Or his other minions? If the boxes are indeed the way boom tubes are created, then I don't think distance should be a factor (it wouldn't call Steppenwulf because he was closer). Also, if they were sentient, wouldn't they call to their master instead of their master's uncle?

Again, the movie never answers why do they call out now.. Why do they wake up now? Superman has only been on Earth for the last 30 years or so out of the over 5 thousand years they've been on Earth (if they have been there before Diana was born, since she was born after man betrayed the Amazonians).

pfft

1.5 million tweets bro

 

[The Buffinator]

Wonder Woman said when Darkseid left the boxes on Earth, they became master-less, and hence went to dormancy. So why send the boom tube out at that moment, and why did it send it out to Steppenwulf?

Steppenwulf claims the boxes called to him... ok... but why HIM? Why not Darkseid? Or his other minions? If the boxes are indeed the way boom tubes are created, then I don't think distance should be a factor (it wouldn't call Steppenwulf because he was closer). Also, if they were sentient, wouldn't they call to their master instead of their master's uncle?

Again, the movie never answers why do they call out now.. Why do they wake up now? Superman has only been on Earth for the last 30 years or so out of the over 5 thousand years they've been on Earth (if they have been there before Diana was born, since she was born after man betrayed the Amazonians).

I rescind my previous post - ajp's explanation no longer works for me.

 

[TheDucky]

Snyder Cut fans are review bombing Godzilla vs Kong on IMDB in order to send some sort of toxic message. Bunch of losers!

They're also doing fun stuff like this.

Not surprised. Snyder fans are toxic morons who praise him. Truly disgusting group of fans.

 

[e30ernest]

pfft

1.5 million tweets bro

 

[jye4ever]

Superman yelled AHHHHHH!!! when he killed Zod just as loud as when he died why didn’t that wake up the boxes

 

[The Buffinator]

Superman yelled AHHHHHH!!! when he killed Zod just as loud as when he died why didn?t that wake up the boxes

He killed Zod in Metropolis. He died way over on the other side of that bay in Gotham. Obviously those few extra miles to Metropolis put the boxes JUST out of vocal range. Duh!

 

[ajp4mgs]

Wonder Woman said when Darkseid left the boxes on Earth, they became master-less, and hence went to dormancy. So why send the boom tube out at that moment, and why did it send it out to Steppenwulf?

Steppenwulf claims the boxes called to him... ok... but why HIM? Why not Darkseid? Or his other minions? If the boxes are indeed the way boom tubes are created, then I don't think distance should be a factor (it wouldn't call Steppenwulf because he was closer). Also, if they were sentient, wouldn't they call to their master instead of their master's uncle?

Again, the movie never answers why do they call out now.. Why do they wake up now? Superman has only been on Earth for the last 30 years or so out of the over 5 thousand years they've been on Earth (if they have been there before Diana was born, since she was born after man betrayed the Amazonians).

Could it be interpreted that the box awakening and "booting up" was just something that Steppenwolf picked up on, but not that he was specifically someone who was being addressed directly? I don't remember the exact dialogue, and I watched this again not that long ago.

I rescind my previous post - ajp's explanation no longer works for me.

My own explanation doesn't work for me either now. I've pretty much conceded in prior posts that there are poorly-founded plot elements which I don't have much trouble handwaving away. The one that I stubbornly wanted to resolve was Darkseid being seemingly too absent-minded to remember how to get back to Earth. But if resolving that with the Boom Tube explanation just opens up other cans of worms, then there's no point dwelling on it.

We can just go with the point of view that Khev explained a little earlier: In the vastness of space, and from potentially a whole separate universe, Earth was as lost to Darkseid as a needle in a haystack.

There's too much fun to be had over four hours to worry about every silly plot point having airtight logic.

 

[The Buffinator]

There's too much fun to be had over four hours to worry about every silly plot point having airtight logic.

I might go along with that, save for the fact that there's so many of them!