Zack Snyder's Rebel Moon

[Mondragon]

As far as I know, Snyder's pitch to Disney for the film this was supposed to be had absolutely nothing to do with any previous characters in Star Wars. It was completely seperate from the Skywalker Saga.

Now* we'll never get that Marvel/Disney Seven Magnificent Star Hoppers, cause the Mandela-effect gen will think it's copying Snyder.

*sarcasm

 

[Alatar]

So this is Jake Sully doing grown-up Anakin as a slave?
And I do like Watto better than that fat dude...

A fair observation about it feeling derivative...

For echoes onto other films, I would add also that the scene has the feeling of elven speech in Peter Jackson's Tolkien films, of the language itself having a kind of magic to it.

As we know Snyder originally conceived of the film as a standalone in the Star Wars franchise, but insisted that it be R rated and independent of other characters and ongoing plotlines in the universe. Disney didn't want that. Which as all for the better. Thankfully Zack was free to do his own thing. But Star Wars as an inspiration is obvious.

"Star Wars," released in 1977 and since renamed as "A New Hope," is itself hugely derivative and was intentionally so from the start (seriously, this is worth at least a skim): Star Wars sources and analogues - Wikipedia

But that being said, I one hundred percent agree with Wor-gar that George Lucas did it in a way that at the time was totally fresh and innovative. (It didn't/hasn't stayed fresh even starting from ESB imo, but that's another discussion.) He melded sci-fi and fantasy in a way that hadn't been done before.

With Rebel Moon Snyder is more self-consciously doing what Lucas did in that regard. And it will be interesting to see how that shakes out in the present day, for where our culture is currently at, and what sort of commentary Snyder is making about the space opera genre, etc. Because that will be there for those willing to look for it.

 

[Alatar]

Just FYI it’s never personal when I respond to criticism of Snyder’s work by defending it. I totally get and that many aren’t going to like it, and many will even outright despise it. I respect the difference of opinion, and expression of diverse points of view. I don’t think it’s healthy to live in an echo chamber. I‘m just providing a counterbalance and offering a more positive perspective.

 

[abake]

No problems with me man, I'm a big Snyder fan.

 

[Alatar]

No problems with me man, I'm a big Snyder fan.

Ah I thought so! What are your thoughts about Tarak?

 

[The Buffinator]

Rebel Moon is Zack Snyder's ultimate fanboy director test

 

[Alatar]

Interesting non-spoiler review, no reveals of content that aren’t already basic common knowledge. Gets into stylistic choices about storytelling, and basically predicts the structure of Part 2: The Scargiver based on Part 1: A Child of Fire. The following hidden in spoiler tags just out of consideration for those that want as innocent an experience as possible, but it’s basically just a prediction of Part 2’s structure and it isn’t revealing anything that isn’t already obvious about Part 1. Predicts criticisms that things feel rushed will be resolved as follows:

Part 1: introduces Kora and sets the stage for the Imperium‘s invasion, sets forth on the quest to gather the team together to defend Veldt

Part 2: tells the backstories of the team members, then delivers the big battle between the rebels and the Imperium

Actual review starts at 13:00.

 

[Alatar]

Rebel Moon is Zack Snyder's ultimate fanboy director test

The author of that article doesn’t have a clue about the deconstruction going on in MoS and BvS. Which is something Snyder has talked about a lot. The author doesn’t acknowledge it at all. Like the fact that MoS and BvS are very consciously created deconstruction doesn’t exist at all in his mind. Which makes him sound foolish basically. He’s misidentifying what’s going on at a surface level with the imagery, and misattributing the intent behind it.

 

[abake]

Ah I thought so! What are your thoughts about Tarak?

What is Tarak? Haven't I been paying attention?

 

[abake]

The author of that article doesn’t have a clue about the deconstruction going on in MoS and BvS. Which is something Snyder has talked about a lot. The author doesn’t acknowledge it at all. Like the fact that MoS and BvS are very consciously created deconstruction doesn’t exist at all in his mind. Which makes him sound foolish basically. He’s misidentifying what’s going on at a surface level with the imagery, and misattributing the intent behind it.

Happens a lot with criticism of Snyder's movies. Not saying that people who don't like Snyder "don't get it", but there's usually a clear misunderstanding of what he tries to express or convey with his movies. Nor am I saying that Snyder#s movies are perfect, there's room for criticism in all his movies; just not to the extent that some people so rabidly decry.

 

[The Buffinator]

The author of that article doesn’t have a clue about the deconstruction going on in MoS and BvS. Which is something Snyder has talked about a lot. The author doesn’t acknowledge it at all. Like the fact that MoS and BvS are very consciously created deconstruction doesn’t exist at all in his mind. Which makes him sound foolish basically. He’s misidentifying what’s going on at a surface level with the imagery, and misattributing the intent behind it.

You're not wrong but the article was hardly in-depth and its focus was on Rebel Moon not his previous works. I shared it mainly for his point about Rebel Moon that "it’s all on him to put the pieces together for an original work without the crutch of an established property". Also that ZS is likely inviting unnecessary (& potentially unwelcome) comparisons to Star Wars by telling everyone that this started as a Star Wars pitch to LucasFilm that was rejected (he didn't phrase it that way but that's now the overriding perception). I just think that movies like this have enough hurdles to overcome to be successful without the creators adding more themselves lol...

 

[Alatar]

What is Tarak? Haven't I been paying attention?

That’s the name of the character that’s taming the griffon, lol. Thought you might be commenting on the character concept. No worries, if you have Netflix you’ll be able to check out the movie in one week.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Reviews are shocking so far.

9% on RT.

 

[Otomofan]

Maybe he's just not a good writer?

I quite liked his takes on 300, Watchmen, Batman v Superman....but I tried watching Sucker Punch and thought it was absolutely wretched.

Guess he should stick to adapting other people's stuff.

 

[franpincho]

Reviews are shocking so far.

9% on RT.

Not shocking at all, actually.

 

[noheddardstark]

Reviews are shocking so far.

9% on RT.

My favorite so far: "It’s the cinematic equivalent of an NFT."

 

[ironwez20]

Maybe he's just not a good writer?

I quite liked his takes on 300, Watchmen, Batman v Superman....but I tried watching Sucker Punch and thought it was absolutely wretched.

Guess he should stick to adapting other people's stuff.

He’s not a good writer. He’s very good visually. That’s what people have an issue with. Sucker punch looks amazing and the idea is great but he just can’t write

 

[Johnny Utah]

Shocking is a term meaning really bad over here.

 

[chrisstbh]

How does Snyder still get work? He lucked out with 300 and Watchmen and hasn’t made anything worthwhile before or after those.

 

[Wor-Gar]

He's surely good in a room. And just as surely, the people that hire him have never sat through one of his movies. They've just seen the pretty pictures and epic shots he designs and figures that's enough.