Zack Snyder's Rebel Moon

[jye4ever]

I’m imagining that the sweater sniffers would be Japanese lol.

Seriously though, Rebel Moon could be fun but I’m keeping my expectations in check.

You know that ZS was inspired by Wor-Gar and his Mola Ram 1/6 scale figure for that infamous sweater sniffing scene, true story.

 

[The Buffinator]

You know that ZS was inspired by Wor-Gar and his Mola Ram 1/6 scale figure for that infamous sweater sniffing scene, true story.

Wor-Gar must have been quite enamored with that figure lol.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Rebel Moon could be fun

Zach Snyder = fun....?

 

[jye4ever]

Here is Snyder teaching USC students how to make movies fun for all audiences and familes…

 

[Wor-Gar]

He looks like Chaka.

 

[ironwez20]

I thoroughly enjoyed World War Z. I think the only genre that is massively hit or miss for me is musicals. I don't like over-the-top gore, later Saw movies, Hostel etc

Same. I think it’s disgusting . I hate that new terrifier series. It’s absolutely disgusting imo.

 

[T8OO]

Same. I think it’s disgusting . I hate that new terrifier series. It’s absolutely disgusting imo.

Bloody hell, me and ironwez

 

[Alatar]

Haha, I'm assuming it was the (overly?) generous time taken for the Icelandic women singing to the sea god that bothered critics of the scene most. Versus a cult forming around a god per se.

No doubt there will be things about Rebel Moon that will bother plenty of folks too. One thing that's gratifying from the blurbs by those that saw it at the London premiere is that it sounds like while some have issues with certain things the reviews are mostly positive.

What strikes me as a nitpick... and please note, I'm simply expressing this as a general idea, and a personal opinion... is that the film "suffers from Part One syndrome." I feel like I can probably say that without having seen it yet, because I understand the film to be the set up for the next one in a trilogy!!! That is, as far as I'm concerned it's good if it ends leaving me feeling like I'm only a third of the way through a much bigger saga.

When my wife, who had not read Lord of the Rings, saw the Fellowship of the Ring with me in 2001 she really enjoyed it, but I think she literally said at the end "It was good and all. But that's it? That's the ending?"

Side note to that: Not because she was put off by the ending of the Fellowship of the Ring, but as Fate would have it she did not accompany to see the Two Towers and Return of the King. A couple years ago she finally watched the entire trilogy with me via the 4K remastered blu ray set, all extended editions. She was absolutely blown away, and adored it.

Anyway, I won't be surprised if some of the criticisms we're seeing now will go away when we see the entire trilogy, all in the extended director's cuts.

This time it was apparently Zack's decision to release the films in truncated versions first. I wonder it that's because he feels it's safer over all to keep the length trimmed down for those that complain about a film being longer than the 2 to 2 1/2 hours range (which I would assume includes a lot of critics who were invited to see it in the movie theater.)

 

[The Buffinator]

Anyway, I won't be surprised if some of the criticisms we're seeing now will go away when we see the entire trilogy, all in the extended director's cuts.

This time it was apparently Zack's decision to release the films in truncated versions first. I wonder it that's because he feels it's safer over all to keep the length trimmed down for those that complain about a film being longer than the 2 to 2 1/2 hours range (which I would assume includes a lot of critics who were invited to see it in the movie theater.)

I wouldn't count on a Part 3 just yet. I know Part 2 is already in the can but Netflix has never had qualms about pulling the plug on a project if the numbers aren't what they were expecting (and that's irrespective of the show's quality). If Parts 1 & 2 are good hopefully we'll see the entire arc but with Netflix one can never assume...

As for "truncated" vs. extended director's cuts, given ZS's history of being unable to tell his story in a "standard" length film I doubt it was entirely his call on the final film edits.

 

[Alatar]

I wouldn't count on a Part 3 just yet. I know Part 2 is already in the can but Netflix has never had qualms about pulling the plug on a project if the numbers aren't what they were expecting (and that's irrespective of the show's quality). If Parts 1 & 2 are good hopefully we'll see the entire arc but with Netflix one can never assume...

As for "truncated" vs. extended director's cuts, given ZS's history of being unable to tell his story in a "standard" length film I doubt it was entirely his call on the final film edits.

All fair points. The plan is for a trilogy, but obviously it depends on the success of Part 1 and 2, no doubt about that.

I think Snyder excels in the long form. I mean, that's obviously because I enjoy what he's doing. But Snyder aside, many of my favorite films are 3-4 hours. In fact on my personal Mount Rushmore that includes

• Peter Jackson's LotR - Which I regard as one big film. Hands down my favorite film experience of all time. But if I had to pick just one movie from the trilogy it'd be RotK at 4:10.

• The Godfather Saga - Coppola's brilliant edit of Part 1 and 2 together for a 1977 miniseries which includes more footage from 1 and 2 that was previously censored and has an astounding runtime of 9:43. I hope and pray it one day gets remastered in 4K and released on blu ray. But anyway, the Part 2's theater release alone is 3:22.

I mean, there's so many 3+ hour films that I love... The Seven Samurai, The Right Stuff, The Deer Hunter, Ben-Hur, Endgame... These are all movies that I'll rewatch. There are others that are 3+ hours that I have greatly enjoyed and appreciate but I'm good with a single viewing. (Note: I still have to watch Kingdom of Heaven's director's cut and Oppenheimer, but I have blu rays for both.)

Just wish to point out as well that Zack's 3+ hour movies are still the outliers for him. He's demonstrated that he's certainly capable of standard length films. 300 is a good example, I'd say.

 

[The Buffinator]

All fair points. The plan is for a trilogy, but obviously it depends on the success of Part 1 and 2, no doubt about that.

I think Snyder excels in the long form. I mean, that's obviously because I enjoy what he's doing.

Just wish to point out as well that Zack's 3+ hour movies are still the outliers for him. He's demonstrated that he's certainly capable of standard length films. 300 is a good example, I'd say.

I don't recall any talk of a trilogy when this was first announced and it was just recently that we got the announcement of the movie being split into Parts 1 & 2, so in my mind it's possible that he's still having trouble telling stories in a concise manner. You cite 300 as an example that he can but really that and Sucker Punch are the only ones. The rest - Watchmen, MoS, BvSoJ and JL - all suffer from varying amounts of bloat (I'm referring to the extended/director's cuts that he says are the movies he intended for the big screen). I'll give him a pass on Watchmen as the story required the extra time but not on the rest.

 

[Shai]

First reactions is that its pretty bad. Not surprised at all.

 

[Alatar]

First reactions is that its pretty bad. Not surprised at all.

I'm seeing mostly positive reviews.

 

[Mr. Awesome]

Well it's a Synder film. While there are some fans of his work and also ppl that genuinely don't care for his stuff, there's a fairly large amount of folks that simply will not tolerate anything from him regardless of the quality.

The kind of ppl that you could take any film he's made, remove his name entirely from it's production, replace it with someone else's name and they'd suddenly praise it.

I'm a fan. I know some ppl that aren't. And then I also know some from the third catagory.

 

[Alatar]

I don't recall any talk of a trilogy when this was first announced and it was just recently that we got the announcement of the movie being split into Parts 1 & 2, so in my mind it's possible that he's still having trouble telling stories in a concise manner. You cite 300 as an example that he can but really that and Sucker Punch are the only ones. The rest - Watchmen, MoS, BvSoJ and JL - all suffer from varying amounts of bloat (I'm referring to the extended/director's cuts that he says are the movies he intended for the big screen). I'll give him a pass on Watchmen as the story required the extra time but not on the rest.

https://web.archive.org/web/2023040...3/04/03/business/media/netflix-marketing.html
Not exactly when it was first announced but this is 8 months ago, April 3, 2023, NY Times: "The plan is for the film [Rebel Moon], scheduled to debut on Dec. 22, to be the first in a trilogy."

 

[Alatar]

I don't recall any talk of a trilogy when this was first announced and it was just recently that we got the announcement of the movie being split into Parts 1 & 2, so in my mind it's possible that he's still having trouble telling stories in a concise manner. You cite 300 as an example that he can but really that and Sucker Punch are the only ones. The rest - Watchmen, MoS, BvSoJ and JL - all suffer from varying amounts of bloat (I'm referring to the extended/director's cuts that he says are the movies he intended for the big screen). I'll give him a pass on Watchmen as the story required the extra time but not on the rest.

These are the runtimes for his films, those over 3 hours bolded:

Rebel Moon - 2:14, director's cut reportedly will put it at roughly 3 hours-ish
AotD - 2:28
ZSJL - 4:02
BvS Ultimate Edition - 3:02
MoS - 2:23
Sucker Punch - 1:50
Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole - 1:37
Watchmen - theatrical 2:43, directors cut 3:06, Ultimate Cut 3:35
300 - 1:57
Dawn of the Dead - 1:40

You call the longer length bloat, I think they're great films. But FWIW it's fine with me that we have a different experience of it!

Oh, haha also!--plus Snyder says he has a director's cut of Sucker Punch that he'd like to one day release that he says is truer to his vision but I'm gonna guess it'll be about 2:30-ish.

 

[generalszabo]

I don't think anybody is expecting this to be an amazing film, but he has his fans who will enjoy it. Snyder has his own style for better or worse, and most people have already decided if they'll enjoy it or not. I'm tempering my expectations but will watch it for sure

 

[The Buffinator]

These are the runtimes for his films, those over 3 hours bolded:

Rebel Moon - 2:14, director's cut reportedly will put it at roughly 3 hours-ish
AotD - 2:28
ZSJL - 4:02
BvS Ultimate Edition - 3:02
MoS - 2:23
Sucker Punch - 1:50
Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole - 1:37
Watchmen - theatrical 2:43, directors cut 3:06, Ultimate Cut 3:35
300 - 1:57
Dawn of the Dead - 1:40

You call the longer length bloat, I think they're great films. But FWIW it's fine with me that we have a different experience of it!

Oh, haha also!--plus Snyder says he has a director's cut of Sucker Punch that he'd like to one day release that he says is truer to his vision but I'm gonna guess it'll be about 2:30-ish.

Yeah, I omitted Dawn of the Dead as that was a remake and his first feature film and I'd never even heard of the Owls one - I assume that was for children. Truth be told I enjoyed (for the most part) 300, Watchmen and Sucker Punch long before his films had any reputation for a particular look or style, so the bloat comment was mainly directed at his DCEU efforts. And other than a couple of narrative choices I really enjoyed MoS, so it's the last two that are where IMO he went overboard. And no doubt some of that can be attributed to WB's greedily trying to replicate the MCU's Avengers success in a fraction of the time, resulting in their green-lighting what ultimately became the mess that was the BvS theatrical experience. I don't recall if the BvS idea was Snyder's or not but IMO that was the root cause of the DCEU's downfall. Obviously you have a slightly different take and that's fine - no need for us to revisit everything that went down during that time.

As for Rebel Moon, I'm keeping an open mind as it appears that this time the studio & ZS are in synch regarding his approach, it's length, etc.. Plus there's no baggage in terms of how these characters should look or act, unlike the fan expectations for the DCEU.

 

[abake]

So this is Jake Sully doing grown-up Anakin as a slave?
And I do like Watto better than that fat dude...

 

[Mr. Awesome]

So this is Jake Sully doing grown-up Anakin as a slave?
And I do like Watto better than that fat dude...

As far as I know, Snyder's pitch to Disney for the film this was supposed to be had absolutely nothing to do with any previous characters in Star Wars. It was completely seperate from the Skywalker Saga.