Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
Well he more or less did when he saw the wife's picture in her office.
Well he more or less did when he saw the wife's picture in her office.
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Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
Yea, because all they make is marvel stuff..just 126 in those four images that are not marvel. But sure.
Yea, because all they make is marvel stuff..just 126 in those four images that are not marvel. But sure.
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
Almost all that **** is before HT recent marvel craze, so i dont see the relevance.
Almost all that **** is before HT recent marvel craze, so i dont see the relevance.
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
simple.. because these were 1980's terrorists, not like those of today, in fact those of today wouldn't even be speaking to john mcclane.
simple.. because these were 1980's terrorists, not like those of today, in fact those of today wouldn't even be speaking to john mcclane.
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Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
Absolutely. That was what HT used to be. Not what they are now.
Almost all that **** is before HT recent marvel craze, so i dont see the relevance.
Absolutely. That was what HT used to be. Not what they are now.
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
They do still make other stuff, fair enough. What collectors are seeing and reacting to is a significantly changed ratio and that's undeniable.
It depends on my mood if I complain about that fact. Sometimes I think it's just as well I'm not having to deal with an Iron Man/Avengers pace of releases. I wouldn't be able to keep up with it and I'd be buried with credit card debt.
They do still make other stuff, fair enough. What collectors are seeing and reacting to is a significantly changed ratio and that's undeniable.
It depends on my mood if I complain about that fact. Sometimes I think it's just as well I'm not having to deal with an Iron Man/Avengers pace of releases. I wouldn't be able to keep up with it and I'd be buried with credit card debt.
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Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
The releases have changed because the films have changed. Since those figures where made how many alien or terminator movies? Up till that point there had been three or four MCU movies (the older non marvel studios I'm not counting). In total. Since then a dozen. The changes are not because of hot toys. But a shift in the FILM industry.
The releases have changed because the films have changed. Since those figures where made how many alien or terminator movies? Up till that point there had been three or four MCU movies (the older non marvel studios I'm not counting). In total. Since then a dozen. The changes are not because of hot toys. But a shift in the FILM industry.
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
Stop beating me down with good points please, it's inconvenient.
Stop beating me down with good points please, it's inconvenient.
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Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
My bad...lol
But it's not just you that says this. I hear it all the time. so out of curiosity I am putting a full list together just to see how many of each there are. Plus, I am considering doing a coffee table "art of hot toys" type book. So the research is always good.
My bad...lol
But it's not just you that says this. I hear it all the time. so out of curiosity I am putting a full list together just to see how many of each there are. Plus, I am considering doing a coffee table "art of hot toys" type book. So the research is always good.
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
Yes, the movies that are being released these days have changed. That's true. But the thing HT changed most significantly is that they are now releasing most of their figures from brand new movies. They never really did that much back in the day. Back when they were making their name with Terminator and Aliens and Predator and Rambo figures, they weren't doing a lot of figures from brand new movies. They were more focused on classics. So, regardless of changes in the film industry is doing, HT has changed by focusing SO much more on brand new movies than they ever did before. And that, I think, is what people get irritated by. Very little focus on the classics these days.
Yes, the movies that are being released these days have changed. That's true. But the thing HT changed most significantly is that they are now releasing most of their figures from brand new movies. They never really did that much back in the day. Back when they were making their name with Terminator and Aliens and Predator and Rambo figures, they weren't doing a lot of figures from brand new movies. They were more focused on classics. So, regardless of changes in the film industry is doing, HT has changed by focusing SO much more on brand new movies than they ever did before. And that, I think, is what people get irritated by. Very little focus on the classics these days.
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
You might want to check out GB for her nip slip ;-)
Just wanted to get back to this in the nicest manner possible.
You might want to check out GB for her nip slip ;-)
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Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
Again, that's becuase up until this point they HAD to focus largely on older movies. Until 2006 there was no marvel studios. So that takes out 5 of the top ten highest grossing films of all time. And previously it was an average of 1 tent pole CBM every two years. It is now 3 every year.
They didn't avoid new movies in the past. Look at those pages I posted. Around half of them are newer. And that covered pretty much everything released in the genre. They did avatar. They did the new terminator. New batman. It was just in the past the films where not as prolific. So again, hot toys isn't shifted its focus. The film industry has changed.
And there is only a limited supply of classic movies. They continue to produce them. At about the same rate statistically. It's just the new content has also increased significantly.
As I said I am preparing a full break down. Give me a bit to get it written up and you will see.
Again, that's becuase up until this point they HAD to focus largely on older movies. Until 2006 there was no marvel studios. So that takes out 5 of the top ten highest grossing films of all time. And previously it was an average of 1 tent pole CBM every two years. It is now 3 every year.
They didn't avoid new movies in the past. Look at those pages I posted. Around half of them are newer. And that covered pretty much everything released in the genre. They did avatar. They did the new terminator. New batman. It was just in the past the films where not as prolific. So again, hot toys isn't shifted its focus. The film industry has changed.
And there is only a limited supply of classic movies. They continue to produce them. At about the same rate statistically. It's just the new content has also increased significantly.
As I said I am preparing a full break down. Give me a bit to get it written up and you will see.
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
Sure, I understand what you're saying. Yes, they did cover some newer movies before. I never said they didn't. (They didn't avoid anything, they also weren't a big enough company to go for a ton of big licenses.) But, depending on the year, early on new release movies seemed to account for maybe half or less of their release slots. Today, that percentage is far higher. Probably, I'm guessing, at least 80%.
Yes, they're a much bigger company now with a much fuller release slate, but MOST of what they're releasing now is from new movies. (I'm talking about percentages.) It's the difference between one Avatar figure and what feels like a dozen or more Avengers figures.
I'm not saying HT shouldn't take advantage of their place in the collectibles industry and not go for the big licenses. Of course they should. It's a business and they'd be fools not to take advantage. (And we need to come to terms with whatever disappointments we may have with that.)
But I am saying, you also can't completely disregard fan disappointment that their focus has clearly moved away from the kinds of releases that brought a lot of those fans to HT in the the first place.
Sure, I understand what you're saying. Yes, they did cover some newer movies before. I never said they didn't. (They didn't avoid anything, they also weren't a big enough company to go for a ton of big licenses.) But, depending on the year, early on new release movies seemed to account for maybe half or less of their release slots. Today, that percentage is far higher. Probably, I'm guessing, at least 80%.
Yes, they're a much bigger company now with a much fuller release slate, but MOST of what they're releasing now is from new movies. (I'm talking about percentages.) It's the difference between one Avatar figure and what feels like a dozen or more Avengers figures.
I'm not saying HT shouldn't take advantage of their place in the collectibles industry and not go for the big licenses. Of course they should. It's a business and they'd be fools not to take advantage. (And we need to come to terms with whatever disappointments we may have with that.)
But I am saying, you also can't completely disregard fan disappointment that their focus has clearly moved away from the kinds of releases that brought a lot of those fans to HT in the the first place.
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Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
Well from the numbers I've run hot toys is equalled or exceeded the number of "older" movie figure releases since 2010. They only thing that has changed is they have added more newer items. But not at the expense of older releases. So as I said, it's not that hot toys changed or shifted focus, they are still producing the other non marvel stuff at nearly the same rate (or more)...but marvel has increased its film output. That's not on hot toys. Here's a list of nearly all the 2010 to current non marvel stuff. I am missing a few and there is some over lap with the 120ish ones from the photos I posted before but not a ton. And as you can see it was 127 up thru 2010, after 2010 it's 128. So this whole argument that repeats in every section of the forum, and not just hear but all the other sites, that all hot toys does is marvel, is silly.
In fact from 2000 to 2010 they did 125(ish) non marvel figures over ten years. From 2010 thru 2015 (projecting a bit) they have 125(ish) over 5 years of non marvel releases. So they have in fact doubled their pace from before. One reason why is becuase the success of the marvel lines have allowed hot toys to take risks and expanded. I'm going to to put this info into other sections as well but I just wanted to share here.
I'm not saying they have not made a boat load of marvel in the last ten years. I have not done the numbers for marvel yet. That's tomorrows project. I'm sure they are equal or exceed the rest. But what I am saying is that hot toys has not forgone other property's in favor of marvel, but have just increased marvel production, which has actually allowed for increased production in other areas.
Here's the list to support,(add to the previous four images).
List of NON marvel hot toys since 2010
The dark knight:
Joker mms249 Q4 2014
Armory mms234 Q3 2014
Alfred Mms235 Q3 2014
Bruce mms236. Q3 2014 Gordan swat. Mms182. Q3 2012
Joker 2.0. Dx11. Q4 2012
Batman Dx02 Q1 2010
The joker. Dx01 Q1 2010
Superman III:
Superman. Mms207. Q3 2013
Space Pirate harlock:
Captain Harlock Mms222. Q2 2014
Captain Harlock. Mms223. Q3 2014
Robocop:
Robocop BD. Mms265. Q2 2015
2 pack. Mms266. Q3 2015
Robocop clean. Mms202d04. Q2 2014
Chair. Mms203d05. Q2 2014
Ed209. Mms204. Q1 2014
Predators:
Noland. Mms163. Q1 2012
Classic Pred. Mms162. Q4 2011
Tracker Pred. Mms147. Q3 2011
Falconer Pred. Mms137. Q1 2011
Royce. Mms131. Q4 2010
Berserker Pred. Mms130. Q4 2010
Metal Gear Solid 3:
The boss. Vgm14. Q4 2012
Naked snake. Vgm15. Q4 2012
Man of steel:
General Zod. Mms216. Q3 2014
Jor-el. Mms201. Q1 2014
Superman. Mms200. Q1 2014
Tron: legacy
Kevin Flynn. Mms144. Q3 2011
Sam Flynn. Mms142. Q3 2012
Others:
Leslie cheung. Mis14. Q4 2013
Leslie Chueng. Mis13. Q2 2013
Bruce Lee suit. Mis11. Q3 2011
Bruce Lee cas. Mis12. Q3 2011
Mike jackson. Mis10. Q1 2011
Mj bad. Dx03. 2010
Avatar:
Jake sully. Mms159. Q2 2012
89 batman:
Mime joker. Dx14. Q4 2013
Batmobile. Mms170. 2012
Joker. DX08. Q1 2012
Batman. Dx09. Q1 2012
Arkham city:
Batman. Vgm18. Q2 2015
Enter the dragon:
Bruce Lee. Dx04. Q4 2010
Maleficent:
Maleficent. Mms247. Q4 2014
Metal gear rising:
Raiden. Vgm17. Q1 2015
Predator 2:
Elder. Mms233. Q3 2014
City. Mms173. Q4 2012
Shadow. Mms154. Q3 2011
Guardian. Mms126. Q3 2010
RE-afterlife:
Alice. Mms139. Q3 2011
Sleepy hallow:
Ichabod Crane. Mms270. Q2 2015
Superman(78):
Superman. Mms152. Q4 2011
Terminator Salvation:
T700. Dms3. 2010
The crow:
Eric Draven. Mms210. Q2 2014
Transformers gen1:
Optimus prime. TF001. Q3 2015
The Terminator:
T800BD. Mms238. Q4 2014
Toy story:
Everyone set. Cob122-127. 2011
300:
King leonidas. Mms114. Q1 2010
Appleseed alpha:
Brireos hecatonchires. Mms269. Q3 2015
Bttf:
Marty mcfly. Mms257. Q2 2015
Time machine. Mms260. Q1 2016
Batman returns:
Batman original. Mms293. Q3 2015
2pack. Mms294. Q3 2015
Commando:
John Matrix. Mms276. Q2 2015
Expendables 2:
Barney Ross. Mms194. Q3 2013
Platoon:
Sgt barnes. Mms141. Q1 2011
Pvt. Taylor. Mms135. Q4 2010
Pop-sands of time:
Prince Dastan. Mms127. Q4 2010
Star Wars:
Shadow trooper. Mms271. Q4 2014
Bespin Luke. Dx07. Q2 2012
Jedi luke
Princess Leia
Darth Vader. Mms279. Q3 2015
Storm trooper. Mms267. Q3 2015
1/4 boba fett. Qs003. Q4 2015
Space trooper. Mms291. Q3 2015
Obi-wan. Mms283. Q3 2015
Chewy. Mms262. Q3 2015
Han Solo. Mms261. Q3 2015
Sucker punch:
Baby Doll. Mms157. Q2 2012
Amber. Mms158. Q2 2012
T2:
T800bd. Dx13. Q3 2013
T8000 clean. Dx10. Q3 2013
T1000. Mms129. Q3 2010
T1000 Connor. Mms125. Q3 2010
Sarah Connor. Mms119. Q3 2010
T800. Mms117. Q3 2010
Batman begins:
Batman. Mms155. Q3 2011
2 pack. Mms140. Q1 2011
City hunter:
Sacko Nogami. Csm03. Q2 2012
Ryo Saeba. Csm02. Q1 2012
Expendables:
Barney Ross. Mms138. Q4 2010
Inglorious bastards:
Col landa. Mms134. Q4 2010
Lt. Raine. Mms118. Q2 2010
Lone Ranger:
Tonto. Mms217. Q2 2014
Matrix:
Sentinel. Mg01. Q1 2010
Monsters U:
Team Monster. Mmsv08. 2010
Storm riders:
Cloud. Cms04. Q4 2013
Sweeney Todd:
Sweeney Todd. Mms149. Q3 2011
T1:
1/4 endo. Qs002. Q1 2013
T800. Mms136. Q4 2010
Tdkr:
2pack. Mms275. Q2 2015
Selene kyle. Mms188. Q1 2013
1/4 batman. Qs001. Q1 2013
Bane. Mms183. Q1 2013
Camo Tumbler. Mms184. Q1 2013
Batman. Dx12. Q4 2012
20th century boy:
Friend. Csm01. Q4 2010
Biohazard 5:
Jill bsv. Vgm13. Q2 2011
Jill bsaa. Vgm11. Q2 2010
Wesker. Vgm10. Q2 2010
Chris redfield. Vgm09. Q1 2010
A vs P:
Ancient (Toyfair). Mms250. Q2 2014
Celtic Pred. Mms221. Q2 2013
Scar Pred. Mms190. Q2 2013
Samurai Pred. Ac01. Q2 2012
1966 batman:
Batman. Mms218. Q3 2014
Robin. Mms219. Q3 2014
Biohazard 4:
Ada Wong. Vgm16. Q2 2013
Gi Joe:
Colton. Mms206. Q3 2013
Roadblock. Mms199. Q3 2013
Storm Shadow. Mms193. Q2 2013
Snake-eyes. Mms192. Q2 2013
Indiana jones:
Indy. Dx05. Q3 2011
Kerberos Panzar Jäger:
Protect Gear. Ac02. Q4 2014
Stranger tides PotC:
Angelica. Mms181. Q3 2012
Jack Sparrow. Dx06. Q3 2011
Total:128
Well from the numbers I've run hot toys is equalled or exceeded the number of "older" movie figure releases since 2010. They only thing that has changed is they have added more newer items. But not at the expense of older releases. So as I said, it's not that hot toys changed or shifted focus, they are still producing the other non marvel stuff at nearly the same rate (or more)...but marvel has increased its film output. That's not on hot toys. Here's a list of nearly all the 2010 to current non marvel stuff. I am missing a few and there is some over lap with the 120ish ones from the photos I posted before but not a ton. And as you can see it was 127 up thru 2010, after 2010 it's 128. So this whole argument that repeats in every section of the forum, and not just hear but all the other sites, that all hot toys does is marvel, is silly.
In fact from 2000 to 2010 they did 125(ish) non marvel figures over ten years. From 2010 thru 2015 (projecting a bit) they have 125(ish) over 5 years of non marvel releases. So they have in fact doubled their pace from before. One reason why is becuase the success of the marvel lines have allowed hot toys to take risks and expanded. I'm going to to put this info into other sections as well but I just wanted to share here.
I'm not saying they have not made a boat load of marvel in the last ten years. I have not done the numbers for marvel yet. That's tomorrows project. I'm sure they are equal or exceed the rest. But what I am saying is that hot toys has not forgone other property's in favor of marvel, but have just increased marvel production, which has actually allowed for increased production in other areas.
Here's the list to support,(add to the previous four images).
List of NON marvel hot toys since 2010
The dark knight:
Joker mms249 Q4 2014
Armory mms234 Q3 2014
Alfred Mms235 Q3 2014
Bruce mms236. Q3 2014 Gordan swat. Mms182. Q3 2012
Joker 2.0. Dx11. Q4 2012
Batman Dx02 Q1 2010
The joker. Dx01 Q1 2010
Superman III:
Superman. Mms207. Q3 2013
Space Pirate harlock:
Captain Harlock Mms222. Q2 2014
Captain Harlock. Mms223. Q3 2014
Robocop:
Robocop BD. Mms265. Q2 2015
2 pack. Mms266. Q3 2015
Robocop clean. Mms202d04. Q2 2014
Chair. Mms203d05. Q2 2014
Ed209. Mms204. Q1 2014
Predators:
Noland. Mms163. Q1 2012
Classic Pred. Mms162. Q4 2011
Tracker Pred. Mms147. Q3 2011
Falconer Pred. Mms137. Q1 2011
Royce. Mms131. Q4 2010
Berserker Pred. Mms130. Q4 2010
Metal Gear Solid 3:
The boss. Vgm14. Q4 2012
Naked snake. Vgm15. Q4 2012
Man of steel:
General Zod. Mms216. Q3 2014
Jor-el. Mms201. Q1 2014
Superman. Mms200. Q1 2014
Tron: legacy
Kevin Flynn. Mms144. Q3 2011
Sam Flynn. Mms142. Q3 2012
Others:
Leslie cheung. Mis14. Q4 2013
Leslie Chueng. Mis13. Q2 2013
Bruce Lee suit. Mis11. Q3 2011
Bruce Lee cas. Mis12. Q3 2011
Mike jackson. Mis10. Q1 2011
Mj bad. Dx03. 2010
Avatar:
Jake sully. Mms159. Q2 2012
89 batman:
Mime joker. Dx14. Q4 2013
Batmobile. Mms170. 2012
Joker. DX08. Q1 2012
Batman. Dx09. Q1 2012
Arkham city:
Batman. Vgm18. Q2 2015
Enter the dragon:
Bruce Lee. Dx04. Q4 2010
Maleficent:
Maleficent. Mms247. Q4 2014
Metal gear rising:
Raiden. Vgm17. Q1 2015
Predator 2:
Elder. Mms233. Q3 2014
City. Mms173. Q4 2012
Shadow. Mms154. Q3 2011
Guardian. Mms126. Q3 2010
RE-afterlife:
Alice. Mms139. Q3 2011
Sleepy hallow:
Ichabod Crane. Mms270. Q2 2015
Superman(78):
Superman. Mms152. Q4 2011
Terminator Salvation:
T700. Dms3. 2010
The crow:
Eric Draven. Mms210. Q2 2014
Transformers gen1:
Optimus prime. TF001. Q3 2015
The Terminator:
T800BD. Mms238. Q4 2014
Toy story:
Everyone set. Cob122-127. 2011
300:
King leonidas. Mms114. Q1 2010
Appleseed alpha:
Brireos hecatonchires. Mms269. Q3 2015
Bttf:
Marty mcfly. Mms257. Q2 2015
Time machine. Mms260. Q1 2016
Batman returns:
Batman original. Mms293. Q3 2015
2pack. Mms294. Q3 2015
Commando:
John Matrix. Mms276. Q2 2015
Expendables 2:
Barney Ross. Mms194. Q3 2013
Platoon:
Sgt barnes. Mms141. Q1 2011
Pvt. Taylor. Mms135. Q4 2010
Pop-sands of time:
Prince Dastan. Mms127. Q4 2010
Star Wars:
Shadow trooper. Mms271. Q4 2014
Bespin Luke. Dx07. Q2 2012
Jedi luke
Princess Leia
Darth Vader. Mms279. Q3 2015
Storm trooper. Mms267. Q3 2015
1/4 boba fett. Qs003. Q4 2015
Space trooper. Mms291. Q3 2015
Obi-wan. Mms283. Q3 2015
Chewy. Mms262. Q3 2015
Han Solo. Mms261. Q3 2015
Sucker punch:
Baby Doll. Mms157. Q2 2012
Amber. Mms158. Q2 2012
T2:
T800bd. Dx13. Q3 2013
T8000 clean. Dx10. Q3 2013
T1000. Mms129. Q3 2010
T1000 Connor. Mms125. Q3 2010
Sarah Connor. Mms119. Q3 2010
T800. Mms117. Q3 2010
Batman begins:
Batman. Mms155. Q3 2011
2 pack. Mms140. Q1 2011
City hunter:
Sacko Nogami. Csm03. Q2 2012
Ryo Saeba. Csm02. Q1 2012
Expendables:
Barney Ross. Mms138. Q4 2010
Inglorious bastards:
Col landa. Mms134. Q4 2010
Lt. Raine. Mms118. Q2 2010
Lone Ranger:
Tonto. Mms217. Q2 2014
Matrix:
Sentinel. Mg01. Q1 2010
Monsters U:
Team Monster. Mmsv08. 2010
Storm riders:
Cloud. Cms04. Q4 2013
Sweeney Todd:
Sweeney Todd. Mms149. Q3 2011
T1:
1/4 endo. Qs002. Q1 2013
T800. Mms136. Q4 2010
Tdkr:
2pack. Mms275. Q2 2015
Selene kyle. Mms188. Q1 2013
1/4 batman. Qs001. Q1 2013
Bane. Mms183. Q1 2013
Camo Tumbler. Mms184. Q1 2013
Batman. Dx12. Q4 2012
20th century boy:
Friend. Csm01. Q4 2010
Biohazard 5:
Jill bsv. Vgm13. Q2 2011
Jill bsaa. Vgm11. Q2 2010
Wesker. Vgm10. Q2 2010
Chris redfield. Vgm09. Q1 2010
A vs P:
Ancient (Toyfair). Mms250. Q2 2014
Celtic Pred. Mms221. Q2 2013
Scar Pred. Mms190. Q2 2013
Samurai Pred. Ac01. Q2 2012
1966 batman:
Batman. Mms218. Q3 2014
Robin. Mms219. Q3 2014
Biohazard 4:
Ada Wong. Vgm16. Q2 2013
Gi Joe:
Colton. Mms206. Q3 2013
Roadblock. Mms199. Q3 2013
Storm Shadow. Mms193. Q2 2013
Snake-eyes. Mms192. Q2 2013
Indiana jones:
Indy. Dx05. Q3 2011
Kerberos Panzar Jäger:
Protect Gear. Ac02. Q4 2014
Stranger tides PotC:
Angelica. Mms181. Q3 2012
Jack Sparrow. Dx06. Q3 2011
Total:128
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Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
Good list Motuxmen, I was just exaggerating really. I know there's been a lot of other non Marvel releases, but I'd think there's been about the same number of Marvel releases since 2010. I'll be interested to see your list of Marvel stuff tomorrow.
Good list Motuxmen, I was just exaggerating really. I know there's been a lot of other non Marvel releases, but I'd think there's been about the same number of Marvel releases since 2010. I'll be interested to see your list of Marvel stuff tomorrow.
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
Yeah good job. You've made it clear that Hot Toys still has other collectors in mind.
I suppose that reduces my questions/concerns to this:
lack of completion of most obvious characters from non-MCU properties compared to lines like Iron Man 3 and Avengers
-T1 does not yet have a hero character, Kyle Reese (other than that severely outdated MMS01 figure)
-Platoon never got Elias
-Avatar never got Neytiri (arguably a more requested figure than Jake Sully even)
-Pirates of the Caribbean never got Barbossa
-Watchmen never got Rorschach (sp?)
-Back to the Future does not yet have Doc Brown (I know it's early days in a very new line but if it were an Avengers film a core character relative to Doc Brown's status would not be in doubt even at this stage)
-Batman Returns will very possibly not get Penguin and Catwoman
-X-men never gets anyone other than Wolverine
-Expendables never got anyone other than Barney Ross
-Superman the Movie never got Clark Kent (Superman Returns did, yet they pass on another Christopher Reeve figure? )
And there are probably many more examples.
Now, sales will no doubt factor in. We're told that nothing sells as well as MCU-based figures and I reluctantly believe it. Sentimentally I want to think that my favourites are as popular today as the day they came out but I'm forced to concede that this may not be the case. However, two questions:
1) Does Hot Toys not consider that a more complete line that includes at least all the core characters (usually a pretty clear cut thing) would help sales of a given line? I would argue (without statistics I'll grant you) that a lot of people didn't buy Jake Sully because there was no indication that Neytiri was going to be made. Likewise that fewer people bought Platoon's Taylor and Barnes than otherwise would have precisely because they were waiting for Elias to be shown - never happened, now never will. It might be argued that a self-fulfilling prophecy scenario was at work here but due to previous examples of Hot Toys leaving lines incomplete at that point collectors had good reason to hesitate. Some lines just aren't worth it if there isn't going to be a full set of the major characters. True, as you've said before different people will have weird wants - 'they should make this character because he had a good scene, they should make that character because I like that actor even though he didn't have a big role' - but the core characters of a story are usually quite clearly marked out - Platoon had but 3 - Taylor, Barnes and Elias.
2) Does every figure and every line have to make MCU levels of money to be considered worthwhile by Hot Toys? Prior to the very first MCU figure (probably Iron Man Mark III) their output of figures seemed to be doing well enough to keep them in business until they really hit the big-time. Is that kind of money really not good enough anymore that they have to be so....tentative with non-MCU lines? Putting out 'test' figures and when it becomes apparent that those figures aren't making MCU money they drop the line which I suspect will be the case with Batman Returns. That brings me back to question 1. Do Hot Toys not think that instilling a bit more faith in collectors, giving assurances of a complete line, would help drive sales of that line? Perhaps a vehicle is too big a gamble ('66 Batmobile, as yet up in the air) - but a figure? Especially if it's an actor they have already purchased the likeness rights for (Reeve - Clark Kent, Nicholson - further possible Joker figures)?
Yeah good job. You've made it clear that Hot Toys still has other collectors in mind.
I suppose that reduces my questions/concerns to this:
lack of completion of most obvious characters from non-MCU properties compared to lines like Iron Man 3 and Avengers
-T1 does not yet have a hero character, Kyle Reese (other than that severely outdated MMS01 figure)
-Platoon never got Elias
-Avatar never got Neytiri (arguably a more requested figure than Jake Sully even)
-Pirates of the Caribbean never got Barbossa
-Watchmen never got Rorschach (sp?)
-Back to the Future does not yet have Doc Brown (I know it's early days in a very new line but if it were an Avengers film a core character relative to Doc Brown's status would not be in doubt even at this stage)
-Batman Returns will very possibly not get Penguin and Catwoman
-X-men never gets anyone other than Wolverine
-Expendables never got anyone other than Barney Ross
-Superman the Movie never got Clark Kent (Superman Returns did, yet they pass on another Christopher Reeve figure?
)And there are probably many more examples.
Now, sales will no doubt factor in. We're told that nothing sells as well as MCU-based figures and I reluctantly believe it. Sentimentally I want to think that my favourites are as popular today as the day they came out but I'm forced to concede that this may not be the case. However, two questions:
1) Does Hot Toys not consider that a more complete line that includes at least all the core characters (usually a pretty clear cut thing) would help sales of a given line? I would argue (without statistics I'll grant you) that a lot of people didn't buy Jake Sully because there was no indication that Neytiri was going to be made. Likewise that fewer people bought Platoon's Taylor and Barnes than otherwise would have precisely because they were waiting for Elias to be shown - never happened, now never will. It might be argued that a self-fulfilling prophecy scenario was at work here but due to previous examples of Hot Toys leaving lines incomplete at that point collectors had good reason to hesitate. Some lines just aren't worth it if there isn't going to be a full set of the major characters. True, as you've said before different people will have weird wants - 'they should make this character because he had a good scene, they should make that character because I like that actor even though he didn't have a big role' - but the core characters of a story are usually quite clearly marked out - Platoon had but 3 - Taylor, Barnes and Elias.
2) Does every figure and every line have to make MCU levels of money to be considered worthwhile by Hot Toys? Prior to the very first MCU figure (probably Iron Man Mark III) their output of figures seemed to be doing well enough to keep them in business until they really hit the big-time. Is that kind of money really not good enough anymore that they have to be so....tentative with non-MCU lines? Putting out 'test' figures and when it becomes apparent that those figures aren't making MCU money they drop the line which I suspect will be the case with Batman Returns. That brings me back to question 1. Do Hot Toys not think that instilling a bit more faith in collectors, giving assurances of a complete line, would help drive sales of that line? Perhaps a vehicle is too big a gamble ('66 Batmobile, as yet up in the air) - but a figure? Especially if it's an actor they have already purchased the likeness rights for (Reeve - Clark Kent, Nicholson - further possible Joker figures)?
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Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
At this point in time, I would love to see HT finally, finally, finally give us a new Rocky and Rambo. I'm happy the DX line is dead, they'll be swanky MMS's. Also, next year is Aliens' 30th anniversary. I haven't seen anything more heavily requested around here more than new marines.
I'd also appreciate a new interview with Howard about now, where every question isn't about Avengers.
At this point in time, I would love to see HT finally, finally, finally give us a new Rocky and Rambo. I'm happy the DX line is dead, they'll be swanky MMS's. Also, next year is Aliens' 30th anniversary. I haven't seen anything more heavily requested around here more than new marines.
I'd also appreciate a new interview with Howard about now, where every question isn't about Avengers.
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Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
I'm surprised this hasn't happened yet. We even got Evil Superman but no Clark Kent. I think if they released Reeve's Superman in this day and age, we would get a two park but I'm betting they don't think people would be that interested in a stand alone Clark Kent figure.Yeah good job. You've made it clear that Hot Toys still has other collectors in mind.
-Superman the Movie never got Clark Kent (Superman Returns did, yet they pass on another Christopher Reeve figure?
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
Superman Returns got 2 Clark Kents - one as part of a two-pack with Superman and one standalone in a different outfit. So it's a bit of a shame that the more iconic Reeve doesn't get a Clark Kent release.
I'm surprised this hasn't happened yet. We even got Evil Superman but no Clark Kent. I think if they released Reeve's Superman in this day and age, we would get a two park but I'm betting they don't think people would be that interested in a stand alone Clark Kent figure.
Superman Returns got 2 Clark Kents - one as part of a two-pack with Superman and one standalone in a different outfit. So it's a bit of a shame that the more iconic Reeve doesn't get a Clark Kent release.
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