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Re: 1/6 Hot Toys - MMS298 - Star Wars: Episode IV - Leia Organa Collectible Figure

I'm not even sure I'd call her a love slave. Yeah Jabba put her in a sexy slave girl outfit, but I really doubt Lucas intended her to be anything more than just another girl who entertained Jabba by dancing for him. Especially given the innocent and family friendly tone of the movie as a whole.

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Talking of Lucas...

"RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK"
Story Conference Transcript
January 23, 1978 thru January 27, 1978
George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, Larry Kasdan​
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G — I was thinking that this old guy could have been his mentor. He could have known this little girl when she was just a kid. Had an affair with her when she was eleven.

L — And he was forty-two.

G — He hasn't seen her in twelve years. Now she's twenty-two. It's a real strange
relationship.

S — She had better be older than twenty-two.

G — He's thirty-five, and he knew her ten years ago when he was twenty-five and she
was only twelve.

G — It would be amusing to make her slightly young at the time.

S — And promiscuous. She came onto him.

G — Fifteen is right on the edge. I know it's an outrageous idea, but it is interesting.
Once she's sixteen or seventeen it's not interesting anymore. But if she was fifteen and he was twenty-five and they actually had an affair the last time they met. And she was madly in love with him and he...

 
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Eleven!? What a filthy perv. Is that supposed to be Indy and Marion?

I have to rewatch TPM, I think I must have missed a lot of what was going on with all those little kids.:monkey4
 
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I'm not even sure I'd call her a love slave. Yeah Jabba put her in a sexy slave girl outfit, but I really doubt Lucas intended her to be anything more than just another girl who entertained Jabba by dancing for him. Especially given the innocent and family friendly tone of the movie as a whole.

We don't know how Hutts procreate or get off. When he tugs her up against his bulbous side he might have had sex with her right there and then.
 
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Eleven!? What a filthy perv. Is that supposed to be Indy and Marion?

Yes, that was the creation of the Indy/Marion love story!

By the time the film was made I think she ended up as 15:

Marion: I was a child. I was in love. It was wrong and you knew it!

The reunion at The Raven from the Revised Third Draft Screenplay, during which Marion blames Indy for her ending up as a prostitute(!):

INDY
Take it easy. I'm looking for your father.

MARION
(bitterly)
Well you're two years too late.

INDY
What happened?

MARION
Avalanche. Up there. He was digging. What else? He spent his whole life digging. Dragging me all over this rotten earth. For what?

...

INDY
Not a bad way to go. Doing what he loved.

MARION
Don't give me that stuff! What do you know?

I'm the one that was left in a bad way. He didn't have a penny. Guess how I lived, Mister Jones. I worked here. And I wasn't the bartender.

...

MARION
You son-of-a-******! You know what you did to me, to my life? This is your handiwork.

INDY
I never meant to hurt you.

MARION
I was a child!

INDY
You knew what you were doing.

MARION
I was in love.

INDY
I guess that depends on your definition.

MARION
It was wrong. You knew it.

INDY
Look, I did what I did. I don't expect you to be happy about it. But maybe we can do each other some good.​


And now I guess we're well off topic. :lol
 
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Hutts only mate with whatever Bib Fortuna is. They're intercourse surrogates - thought that was all covered in the opening crawl to Jedi.
 
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We don't know how Hutts procreate or get off. When he tugs her up against his bulbous side he might have had sex with her right there and then.

They apparently change sex and self-propagate like slugs. Or so it was in some of the EU novels I read.

Other Hutts thought Jabba's infatuation with humanoids was unhealthy!
 
Re: 1/6 Hot Toys - MMS298 - Star Wars: Episode IV - Leia Organa Collectible Figure

Yeah, last time this came up, it's what I was thinking too. The outfit was always referred to previously (i.e. 1990's, early 2000's) as "Leia as Jabba's Prisoner" - that's what both Hasbro scales called it on the packaging (Unleashed just called her "Leia.") And yes, she's never referred to as a slave in the movie, so no problem there.

Then in the mid to late 2000's, the name "slave" seemed to creep in, maybe through fan shorthand via those popular SDCC "Slave Leia" group shots, and Hasbro then decided to follow suit, maybe wanting to give it some edge - several versions, up to the 6" version were all suddenly called "slave" Leias on the package.

The word "slave" has become increasingly hot button so it's possible the Disney red flag started with the use of that word, but then they realized there's actually a further problem.

The core of this banning story revolves around a Dark Horse artist stating they couldn't draw her in that outfit in comics anymore. To me, Disney banning it in that format actually makes total sense because those guys often take things way too far in the depiction - in essence, Disney is banning "artistic interpretation" of the costume by doing that. Even some statues, again artistic interpretation, are more suggestive than they need to be - i.e. they don't depict her as she's seen in ROTJ, but ROTJ crossed with a soft core movie.

My guess is they are banning anything that through artistic interpretation can be too racy such as comics, statues or even adult costumes, as well as the use of the word "slave", in lieu of products showing her simply as she appeared in the movie.

Bottom line is, she's heroic, kicks **s and kills the bad guy in that costume. She doesn't roll around on a bed or do harem dances (though Oola does.) There's nothing "Disney non-friendly" about anything in the actual movie, so it makes no sense they would ban accurate depictions of her in that outfit. Which is what a 1/6 or 4" figure would do.:dunno

TaliBane, I think you are on to something here when you point out how the origins of us finding out about this may have begun with a comic book artist who was not allowed to draw Leia in the costume any more. You are right about the "bottom line" of the narrative where Leia kicks butt even after being objectified by Jabba the Hutt. However that narrative doesn't always come through in the kind of art and collectibles like you have mentioned; but rather the opposite.

To be fair to Disney, I don't think this is about people being "PC" or trying to be the "thought police"or people getting "bent out of shape" or "offended" at a bikini, or being prudish and not showing cleavage, legs, and hips. But rather, I think its about, not wanting to continue to perpetuate objectification and over sexualization of Leia's character which is actually counter to how she is portrayed in the narrative.

I don't think any of us can deny that the use of the image of “Slave” Leia has often objectified her and over sexulized her in a culture which often does the same to women in general. If Disney has truly made this their new policy I think it's probably a good thing even though there will be aspects of it that are inconsistent, hypocritical, legalistic, prudish or misunderstood. This is a messy and nuanced issue that can't be easily solved but a decision to not license the use of Leia in a way that can lend itself to the over sexualization and/or the objectification of the character, and to women in general, I think is an attempt to treat the character, and women, with more dignity and respect. That’s a good thing.

I don't say this as a way to judge anyone who wants a collectible of her in this costume or for those who want to cosplay as her - I don't think everyone who wants or does such things are necessarily behaving in a way that is over sexualizing or objectifying the character. The narrative context isn't lost on many fans who collect or want to dress up- like I said the issue is a nuanced one. But I think the question Disney is wrestling with as the ones who control the rights to these characters is how to represent them best, while still trying to use them to rightly make a profit, while also not wanting to be exploitative towards their own character or women.

I don’t think their solution is perfect, or without hypocrisy (they are inconsistent with the Disney label and don’t care nearly as much about such things when it comes to their companies that aren’t named “Disney”), But, I don’t think I can dismiss attempts to try not be exploitative, and not to propitiate the objectification and/or the over sexualization of women as “ridiculous” or “stupid”. Disney has the right to control how they want to present their characters and it’s not a bad thing that they desire to present a popular female character they control the rights to with as much dignity and respect they can. Again, this is about context and it could be argued that the image of “Slave” Leia outside of the narrative of the story itself has often been used in exploitative, over sexualized, and objectifying ways. It may be over simplistic for Disney to handle this in broad strokes when it comes to their licensing but that’s their privilege.
 
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Slave Leia gave rise to a generation of bondage fetishes and sexy cosplay girls. Disney can try, but Slave Leia is not going away.
 
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Slave Leia gave rise to a generation of bondage fetishes and sexy cosplay girls. Disney can try, but Slave Leia is not going away.

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Ummm.. IT'S A MOVIE. It has a narrative. The character is supposed to be sexualized, dehumanized and objectified. It's part of being beaten down, but like any classic hero, including any male hero, she rises up victorious.

Let's clean up Conan and Spartacus next.
 
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Ummm.. IT'S A MOVIE. It has a narrative. The character is supposed to be sexualized, dehumanized and objectified. It's part of being beaten down, but like any classic hero, including any male hero, she rises up victorious.

Let's clean up Conan and Spartacus next.
I don't think a licensing policy like the one that is rumored to be taking place means that Disney is objecting to the use of the character within the context of the narrative. An image of a cheesecake version of Slave Leia on a T-shirt with the caption "sexy princess" on it for instance doesn't tell the same story.
 
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Well, if you take away her sexy side, then her rarely seen soft side... all you are left with is a ball buster and that is not romantic or desirable.

Too bad Han couldn't see very well when she landed on the skiff, I bet there would have been a few good lines of dialogue there.
 
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Ummm.. IT'S A MOVIE. It has a narrative. The character is supposed to be sexualized, dehumanized and objectified. It's part of being beaten down, but like any classic hero, including any male hero, she rises up victorious.

Let's clean up Conan and Spartacus next.

Tony Curtis does a pretty good job already.:lol

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I don't know why Disney is getting all P.C. NOW. Mickey and Donald haven't worn pants in like, 70 years!!!
Mickey has always worn shorts. :slap
 
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wow where is this thread going. is this even about the new hope leia any more :lol
 
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wow where is this thread going. is this even about the new hope leia any more :lol

Time for a Re-Boot.....
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Re: 1/6 Hot Toys - MMS298 - Star Wars: Episode IV - Leia Organa Collectible Figure

For me, it can take a LOT of time to figure out what resonates the most, in terms of pop references.

Stormtroopers are a no-brainer, they're what got me into this hobby. But the waters get muddied very quickly given the size of the Star Wars pantheon*.

When Hot Toys getting this license was still a rumour, I remember writing somewhere, that I really wanted Tatooine Luke & ANH Leia from Hot Toys.

I feel like now the dust is settling on the initial Star Wars explosion (as the Death Star II rains radioactive debris down on those bastard Ewoks -- what, too dark?) ... I'm starting to see more clearly.

One of my original display ideas was three stormtroopers with Luke and Leia, referencing the DS chasm and arguably one of the most iconic (that WORD again) scenes in cinema history.

I think she's worth getting, more so even than Han & Chewie. In the very beginning, Star Wars was "...about a boy and a girl...in a galaxy far...." -- before the retconning and the PT and all that followed, it was simple and innocent.

There are still other figures I have my eye on, but I think in time, this will remain of the best SW releases.


*Probably the most apt descriptor for the dozens of greater and lesser creatures from the mythos.
 
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I think she's worth getting, more so even than Han & Chewie. In the very beginning, Star Wars was "...about a boy and a girl...in a galaxy far...." -- before the retconning and the PT and all that followed, it was simple and innocent.

I know what you mean.

Though I'll always have a place for Han and Chewie: a boy and his dog...

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It was the boy who leant his ride so that all that radioactive debris could rain down on those bastard Ewoks...

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(But I'd still buy a furry Ewok or two from HT!)



Okay, back to the princess. Are we nearly there yet?
 
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