1/6 Hot Toys Rogue One: JYN ERSO

[Hoody999]

Wow 7 times !! That would almost be a record ! I've only seen it twice. But I'm living in Germany, and getting to see movies in English is easier said than done.

I'm so hoping that they release them in 4K with the 40th anniversary this year. I heard a 4K original Star Wars is finished. Would only make sense to also release TFA and Rogue One in 4K as well right ?? That would be the copy to have for the future.

 

[potatoes212]

7 times! wow, yes hoping for a quicker digital/blu-ray release for R1. TFA had a digital release of April last year and the numbers for that are better than R1's. Yes Talibane, the adjustment for inflation regarding BO is amazing back then--probably less distractions in life back then and all we could do is go to the movies...over and over and over! Haha

 

[davejames]

I don't know. I guess it's just me, but as much as I really enjoy Rogue One, TFA just seems to radiate a sense of pure fun and joy that makes me gravitate towards it a lot more for some reason. Even despite the familiar storyline. And when watching it again after RO I was struck by how much more I enjoyed watching Rey and Finn in action over anybody in RO.

Plus as awesome as it was to see Vader in action, there's just no beating the thrill of seeing Han, Luke, Leia, Chewie, and the Falcon again for the first time in 30 years.

 

[TaliBane]

I don't know. I guess it's just me, but as much as I really enjoy Rogue One, TFA just seems to radiate a sense of pure fun and joy that makes me gravitate towards it a lot more for some reason. Even despite the familiar storyline. And when watching it again after RO I was struck by how much more I enjoyed watching Rey and Finn in action over anybody in RO.

Plus as awesome as it was to see Vader in action, there's just no beating the thrill of seeing Han, Luke, Leia, Chewie, and the Falcon again for the first time in 30 years.

I'm not much of a fan of TFA but I can see what you mean. The one thing that RO to me was missing in a major way was magic, wonder and joy (despite some drop-dead gorgeous visuals.)

It is the first new SW movie since ROTJ to actually take place in the OT era (with a Vader/DS/Tarkin presence) so it stands to reason that older fans would LOVE it, and yeah post-911 Nolan grittiness still holds sway on our poor GFC/terrorism-haunted minds, but to me the OT had a brutal grittiness but also a transporting sense of wonder and magic, almost like innocence winning out in the face of brutal evil; the innate power of goodness.

RO to me had none of that (like ZERO on the innocent-goodness scale,) even though it was like a dream come true in terms of OT vibe and goodies. TFA I was disappointed with for all the reasons people talk about, but it had a major attempt at magic, wonder and joy and was high on the "innocence win in the face of brutal evil"/power of goodness scale and in that sense it was WAY more OT-ish emotionally than RO, even though I liked RO a lot more than TFA.

 

[TonTon]

I'm definitely of two minds. Maybe personal issues are at play, but despite feeling many of the things that Hoody described in terms of the recycling of ANH, I know I had more of a sense of elation watching TFA unfold, which has stuck with me. Not sure if it's seeing (and enjoying) a new Star Wars movie on the big screen for the first time or if it was cause of having Han/Chewie/Falcon back on screen plus other elements that were captured. I have fewer things to complain about with Rogue One, yet I don't recall that same nervous energy and gratification that I had with TFA.

I think Talibane makes some good points in that regard, but this is a different animal. TFA smartly kept the vibe of the OT as it's a sequel. RO just had the look due to the timeline and many things were done within the popular dark/Nolan/grittiness of today's movies. Personally I would have liked to see them scale back on some of it to keep it more in the SW mold.

As far as figures go, I was more compelled to grab a bunch of TFA stuff, but then scaled back to just a small group (Rey/BB-8, Ren, Stormie Finn, and Han). As for Rogue One, I'm trying to be cautious since I don't want to fall in that same pattern. I've ordered Jyn and would order Krennic/Death Trooper and maybe one more, probably K2, but still undecided.

 

[Darkseed]

Everything I enjoy about R1.....as a kid OT was special. Being grown up, I was ready for a realistic, grittier, war film versus all the fantasy aspect I grew up enjoying. It had enough of both to make me happy. TFA was nice...no complaints, I enjoyed it but not much in terms of surprises....rather vanilla

 

[TaliBane]

Yeah, we went to both TFA and RO with a group of kids (10-13) and they talked about TFA a lot after it, whereas it was like they didn't know what to make of RO. "It was a lot to take in" was what one of the older kids said of RO.

But yeah, RO is what it is - a love letter to the OT with older fans in mind, with the Nolan bleakness of the era - whereas TFA is more an attempt to stick to the wider SW mythos and heart with a broader audience and new fans in mind.

For me, I agree - I would have liked to have seen RO have more of the joy and wonder and touch more of "wholesome heroes" (that sounds awful I know) of the OT, but hey, after the prequel experience, RO is indeed like a dream come true and you just want to bask in the glow for a while. For me finally something that comes close to my OT experience.

 

[TonTon]

The prequels have become this crazy palette cleanser where my expectations are so tempered by knowing how bad things can get. Rogue One has so many nods to the originals, but it also has so many original feeling elements (that still feel Star Wars-y), whether it be new aliens or costumes or whatever. It also has a few non-Star Wars-y elements.

I think in another forum someone noted that some of the rebels on Scarif just looked like US Vietnam soldiers rather than being from SW. There are two costumes used there, one looks decidedly Hoth influenced (with the similar rebel caps) but the other does look like they're just old marine gear (despite probably going for the Endor look.

 

[GMan022]

The prequels have become this crazy palette cleanser where my expectations are so tempered by knowing how bad things can get. Rogue One has so many nods to the originals, but it also has so many original feeling elements (that still feel Star Wars-y), whether it be new aliens or costumes or whatever. It also has a few non-Star Wars-y elements.

I think in another forum someone noted that some of the rebels on Scarif just looked like US Vietnam soldiers rather than being from SW. There are two costumes used there, one looks decidedly Hoth influenced (with the similar rebel caps) but the other does look like they're just old marine gear (despite probably going for the Endor look.

I agree, those Rebels at the end did look like Nam vets, and I think that might also be a nod to Lucas and his OT vision. He always said he based the rebels/empire struggle on the Vietnam War, he liked the idea of an inferior force defeating the well-equipped big government/establishment. But yes, I would have preferred the Endor helmet/poncho look for the rebel commandos instead. I liked the Hoth inspired look though.

 

[FlyAndFight]

My initial viewing of TFA left me with mixed feelings. It was definitely better than the prequels but the obvious story parallels to "A New Hope" were jarring, to say the least.

But to be honest, when I went back to see it a second time, I enjoyed it more. Perhaps because there were no high expectations and I was able accept it for what it was (or will be): An introduction to a hopefully good new trilogy.

I FINALLY got around to ordering the BR set and watched it after a year and have to admit that while the "A New Hope" parallels still bothered me, I probably enjoyed the movie the best, this time around.

As for "Rogue One", it simply won me over from the first viewing. It was a mature story set in the Star Wars universe. Pure and simple. No Ewoks, no Jar-Jars, no infantile humor. A gritty story providing a serious background to the middle episode trilogy and in the process, in my mind elevating that trilogy. The fact that it was taking place during the OT timeline only made it better.

I hope we can continue this trend that we are seeing. Strike a balance between the official episodes and the "Star War Stories", each with it's own type of tone and storytelling style.

P.S. I'm definitely getting Jynn (Deluxe). Already have K2S0, The two Stormtrooper set and Shoretrooper pre-ordered. Deathtrooper (deluxe) will be pre-ordered as well...

 

[pixletwin]

TFA was almost entirely exposition. So I can easily overlook it's numerous nods to SW.

The weaker part of me wants to get Jyn. But the stronger part of me says NOOOOOOOOOOOO.

 

[Mad Old Lu]

I don't know. I guess it's just me, but as much as I really enjoy Rogue One, TFA just seems to radiate a sense of pure fun and joy that makes me gravitate towards it a lot more for some reason. Even despite the familiar storyline. And when watching it again after RO I was struck by how much more I enjoyed watching Rey and Finn in action over anybody in RO.

Plus as awesome as it was to see Vader in action, there's just no beating the thrill of seeing Han, Luke, Leia, Chewie, and the Falcon again for the first time in 30 years.

Great post! This is pretty much how I feel about RO. I did enjoy it, and I appreciate it being more mature. But I really did miss a sense of fun. And serious movies can have a bit of fun too. It’s more about exhilaration and getting caught up with the characters and their situation. I think Aliens is serious but there is still a sense of thrill and excitement that I think was missing from most of RO. The only part that had it was the Vader to Leia scene at the end and that just wasn’t enough for me.

I’m looking forward to getting it on BR and see if it plays a little better for me. But after my one and only viewing of RO, I still like TFA better.

 

[JonWes]

I loved TFA and still love it. It totally recaptured the Star Wars feel for me, and gave us some amazing new characters, even if the story itself is sort of pants. Rogue One I really loved, too, but in different ways. They both sort of scratched different needs for me. And there's still a lot of fun, to me, in R1. That being said, I am really divided about my HT purchases for R1. I assume a Poe Dameron is coming SOME DAY from HT, and I want him. And some version of Luke (not sure I'm going for the Episode VIII one) and I still need Han. So there's quite a few figures and I don't even know who is coming up for Episode VIII that's new and I might want (going to try not to double dip on characters.) So... do I have budget/room for Jyn? K2SO? Krennic? A Trooper? I don't know.

 

[davejames]

I'm definitely of two minds. Maybe personal issues are at play, but despite feeling many of the things that Hoody described in terms of the recycling of ANH, I know I had more of a sense of elation watching TFA unfold, which has stuck with me. Not sure if it's seeing (and enjoying) a new Star Wars movie on the big screen for the first time or if it was cause of having Han/Chewie/Falcon back on screen plus other elements that were captured. I have fewer things to complain about with Rogue One, yet I don't recall that same nervous energy and gratification that I had with TFA.

I think Talibane makes some good points in that regard, but this is a different animal. TFA smartly kept the vibe of the OT as it's a sequel. RO just had the look due to the timeline and many things were done within the popular dark/Nolan/grittiness of today's movies. Personally I would have liked to see them scale back on some of it to keep it more in the SW mold.

Yeah while many of the criticisms of TFA are valid, I don't think Abrams gets enough credit for capturing the spirit of the OT as well as he did, and giving us new characters who pop off the screen in nearly the same way as Han, Luke and Leia-- which is a big challenge that I'm not sure a lot of other directors could have met (and even Lucas couldn't again with the prequels).

And for me it's always been the dynamic characters I respond to more in SW than the story or setting, which is probably why RO hasn't grabbed me in quite the same way with it's characters who all come across a bit... glum, dull and ordinary compared to those others. They may be interesting characters with backstories I'd love to see further explored someday, but that still doesn't make them quite as fun or exciting to watch.

 

[Clutters]

My initial viewing of TFA left me with mixed feelings. It was definitely better than the prequels but the obvious story parallels to "A New Hope" were jarring, to say the least.

But to be honest, when I went back to see it a second time, I enjoyed it more. Perhaps because there were no high expectations and I was able accept it for what it was (or will be): An introduction to a hopefully good new trilogy.

I FINALLY got around to ordering the BR set and watched it after a year and have to admit that while the "A New Hope" parallels still bothered me, I probably enjoyed the movie the best, this time around.

As for "Rogue One", it simply won me over from the first viewing. It was a mature story set in the Star Wars universe. Pure and simple. No Ewoks, no Jar-Jars, no infantile humor. A gritty story providing a serious background to the middle episode trilogy and in the process, in my mind elevating that trilogy. The fact that it was taking place during the OT timeline only made it better.

I hope we can continue this trend that we are seeing. Strike a balance between the official episodes and the "Star War Stories", each with it's own type of tone and storytelling style.

P.S. I'm definitely getting Jynn (Deluxe). Already have K2S0, The two Stormtrooper set and Shoretrooper pre-ordered. Deathtrooper (deluxe) will be pre-ordered as well...

Yep. Let's hope after the Han Solo film we get a prequel post ROTS Obi-Wan story.

 

[GMan022]

Yep. Let's hope after the Han Solo film we get a prequel post ROTS Obi-Wan story.

If you watch Rebels, he's gonna show up again in that to face Maul. They showed him in the mid-season trailer.

 

[potatoes212]

I feel like as a saga film TFA fits in the "action and wonder" department even though there are echoes of ANH weaved in an out.

R1 does the prequel route solidly and is a different beast entirely, introducing new characters quickly and showing a pivotal point in Star Wars lore. I for one am glad there was a "grittier" feeling and the ending they chose. The emotions towards the end were amazing - sadness at the heroes, pride and what they accomplished, vader going off and being amazed at that to sadness again mixed with hope on the final cameo.

Hope future stand alone films are allowed to feel different but tied to this awesome universe.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Rogue Two: where many Bothans died...

 

[potatoes212]

Rogue Two: where many Bothans died...

Haha, ...with intercut scenes of the Emperor cackling because he purposely let them know and killed them anyway!

 

[SilverStar17]

I don't know. I guess it's just me, but as much as I really enjoy Rogue One, TFA just seems to radiate a sense of pure fun and joy that makes me gravitate towards it a lot more for some reason. Even despite the familiar storyline. And when watching it again after RO I was struck by how much more I enjoyed watching Rey and Finn in action over anybody in RO.

Plus as awesome as it was to see Vader in action, there's just no beating the thrill of seeing Han, Luke, Leia, Chewie, and the Falcon again for the first time in 30 years.

My sentiments as well.

I enjoyed both TFA and R1; however, R1 didn't have the same feeling as one gets when watching an actual episode. Which makes sense, because R1 isn't meant to be an episode and is merely a filler, but there's nothing like having the SW music blast when introducing the film, while the synopsis of the film rolls through space.

And as you mentioned, nothing beats the thrill of seeing the original cast together and the Millenium Falcon fly on screen again since 1983.