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[FlyAndFight]

 

[TaliBane]

I've seen AOTC once (on the big screen)... Cage kicks and razor-thin wires thankfully did not stick to any of my neurons all these years.

I just remember liking that battle as feeling a bit Starwarsy in a pretty un-Starwarsy movie. Don't remember to much else I liked.

Well, other than the big cat with fifty eyes that tries to get Portman in her workout suit. That was funny.

 

[TonTon]

Watching it last year I was struck by the fact that they tried to make the whole thing a mystery. I love mysteries but this was a disaster of a who-dunnit.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Watching it last year I was struck by the fact that they tried to make the whole thing a mystery. I love mysteries but this was a disaster of a who-dunnit.

I never even thought about that.

Obi-Wan was a terrible sleuth. He couldn't recognize a unique dart -- even though Jedi are supposed to be well-educated. He couldn't figure out that a planet's coordinates had been erased until he asked a bunch of children whose helmets didn't even fit. Then he bungles into a secret laboratory without a plan. Lucky for him the clone-makers are as dim-witted as he seemed to be, offering him his own alibi -- "You must be here to check on your clone army?" "Oh yes, yes I am." It's not like someone just ordered a dozen speeders or something. Do you really give a full tour to anyone who shows up of your super-secret army of killers?

 

[Khev]

I never even thought about that.

Makes you wonder what kind of idiots Lucas took his audience for. The mystery of Palpatine being Sidious in TPM, the shocking reveal that Padme played by Natalie Portman was actually Queen Amidala played by Natalie Portman. Who would've guessed.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I'm truly still at a loss for what the Jedi were supposed to be. Policemen? Arbitrators? Medicine men? What in real life is anything like a Jedi?

Besides that, if you go with the premise, then why don't they know things? Why can't they at least sense the Force, good or bad? Every problem that they find themselves in, from the gas room at the beginning of TPM to the secret baby Amidala is carrying seems to go right over the Jedi heads. If they're not really "in tune" with the Force and they can be gunned down -- all of them -- then what the hell was there purpose?

What good are they?

 

[Khev]

What good are they?

I have no idea. And their advice completely sucked.

Compare:

"The way the Force moved around that guy who just left the ship says he's about to murder someone." "What, really? Wow thanks for the heads up, come on everybody lets stop him!"

vs

"Be mindful of the future, but not at the expense of the moment. Be mindful of the living Force." "Got it! Okay so lets go...wait--huh?"

 

[TonTon]

When Order 66 happens, Wor-Gar thinks to himself, "Good riddance."

 

[Wor-Gar]

Yeah, even the main trick the Jedi had that was set up in ANH -- waving your hand and changing someone's mind -- became a gag that Qui-Gon couldn't make work... so he resorts to cheating with a wave of his hand.

Yep, the PT is full of valuable lessons for the young minded.

 

[Khev]

Qui Gon was lucky that Watto wasn't using Tyderian dice because then he probably would have screwed that up too.

 

[Wor-Gar]

When Order 66 happens, Wor-Gar thinks to himself, "Good riddance."

Pretty much. I didn't feel a thing for those nobodies. They were always in the way of something; blocking the kid, blocking Qui-Gon, blocking Kenobi. They added no 'positive' value to any of the stories. And in the end, they resort to violence like everyone else.

 

[Khev]

Pretty much. I didn't feel a thing for those nobodies. They were always in the way of something; blocking the kid, blocking Qui-Gon, blocking Kenobi. They added no 'positive' value to any of the stories. And in the end, they resort to violence like everyone else.

Mace Windu was a valuable general to the Clone Armies though. The way he approached the three Clone sergeants on Geonosis who were facing the wrong way and then pointed at the 10,000 droids and giant ships behind them was really helpful.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Here's another 'note' missed by Lucas on his own symphony:

"If you strike me down I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine". That's a good trick. And in ANH it was true -- Ben's spirit found the one being at the right moment who could turn the tides of war.

So cut to the PT: Qui-Gon dies. OK, he's going to speak to Anakin and guide him. Nope. He's apparently the only one who's figured out how to cross over and he abandons the kid -- the One. But even this Lucas could have used. Qui-Gon should have 'spoken' to Anakin from time to time. But then the bad in Anakin begins to take over, blocking out Qui-Gon's calls. And Anakin gets angrier, certain the spirit of his old Master has abandoned him. This would have been a nice dramatic beat and given Anakin's character more frustration to work off of. But no. The great power of the Jedi spirit hadn't been invented yet apparently.

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

Even today they include scenes about as ridiculous as the stuff you all have pointed out. "Hey Saw, you want to try escape this crumbling planet with us and live to fight another day?"........ "Nah no thanks I'll just stay here, I don't think the audience can take much more of my overdramatized voice anyway"

 

[TonTon]

Pretty much. I didn't feel a thing for those nobodies. They were always in the way of something; blocking the kid, blocking Qui-Gon, blocking Kenobi. They added no 'positive' value to any of the stories. And in the end, they resort to violence like everyone else.

Obi-Wan had mischief to him in ANH and from that it really does make you imagine the Jedi as being like the Seven Samurai where they each had a unique personality and history, but were all kind of awesome. But in the PT It mostly felt like seven shades of boring as far as their personalities went.

Which is no surprise when you see the padawan training nonsense. Looks like a little cult.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I hope Rogue isn't as dissectible as the PT.

 

[Knightstalker]

Here's another 'note' missed by Lucas on his own symphony:

"If you strike me down I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine". That's a good trick. And in ANH it was true -- Ben's spirit found the one being at the right moment who could turn the tides of war.

So cut to the PT: Qui-Gon dies. OK, he's going to speak to Anakin and guide him. Nope. He's apparently the only one who's figured out how to cross over and he abandons the kid -- the One. But even this Lucas could have used. Qui-Gon should have 'spoken' to Anakin from time to time. But then the bad in Anakin begins to take over, blocking out Qui-Gon's calls. And Anakin gets angrier, certain the spirit of his old Master has abandoned him. This would have been a nice dramatic beat and given Anakin's character more frustration to work off of. But no. The great power of the Jedi spirit hadn't been invented yet apparently.

I've always been of the opinion that the character of Qui-Gon shouldn't have even been in the film and it should have just been Obi-Wan being sent on his first mission as a Jedi Knight.

 

[lordregnis]

How about when the millennium falcon was smashing through trees and crashing into the ground, yet didn't have a scratch on it? Oh wait that was sw7.

 

[Username]

"Everything Great About" videos for the prequels.
You guys might not agree. But there are some nice points the guy makes. I like the prequels and don't mind admitting it.
And for the "What good are the jedi" and "no momentum" stuff, you guys know that Jedi aren't real and have magical abilities, right?
This dude gets it, lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QppINK042N8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44H0MVjBDtM&

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KSbwAJT8RE

 

[WesMordine]

Good, someone gets it.

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