12 shot dead at movie theater

[sprig0701]

You act like this happens every day in the US. It's still a rare occurrence here as well. If someone wants to do this in Canada I'm sure they will. You have weird gay porn stars killing their partners and taping themselves beating off with body parts. You also have people playing samurai on buses. You have the same amount of maniacs that we do. A maniac is a maniac. Period.

People outside of the US take what they see in the media and make assumptions on what life here is like.

I live in a small town that is completely safe. Sure, we have our random idiots breaking into cars or whatnot, but I couldn't tell you the last time this town had a homicide.

I'm going with my wife tonight to see TDKR (my 7-year-old, 5-year-old and 2-year-old will remain at home with a sitter) and have zero fear of a shooting at the theater.

These wack-yards are a world-wide disease. People need to get their blinders off realize their security bubble is just as safe as mine is.

 

[willocrew]

This whole gun ownership in the USA is an absolute joke.

America really needs to start looking and implementing proper gun laws and restrictions.

Over here in Australia, if you want to own a gun, you have to jump through serious hoops to get a simple .22 rim fire bolt action rifle. You want a cetrefire rifle? You gotta prove you need the additional firepower amd its not easy to jusify. You can't just walk into a store and buy a gun or go on the Internet and buy freaking 6000 rounds of ammo like that nerd phd dropout killer. You are only permitted to possess a very small quantity of ammo.

I seriously doubt that phd dropout would have gotten hold of his guns if he had to find some blackmarket dealer to hook him up with some hardware.

And what's this deal about being able to own semi-auto and auto military grade weapons? Thats is another pile of horses dung. If this guy had to use a bolt action rifle, he won't be able to take so many people down.

Can any pro gun folks answer why the hell u need military grade weapons?

 

[sprig0701]

Well your hoops to jump through in Australia for a gun are a joke.

Don't assume you know a damn thing about life in the US unless you've lived here. I don't make assumptions about life in Australia after watching Wolf Creek, because I've never been there.

 

[csi]

This whole gun ownership in the USA is an absolute joke.

America really needs to start looking and implementing proper gun laws and restrictions.

Over here in Australia, if you want to own a gun, you have to jump through serious hoops to get a simple .22 rim fire bolt action rifle. You want a cetrefire rifle? You gotta prove you need the additional firepower amd its not easy to jusify. You can't just walk into a store and buy a gun or go on the Internet and buy freaking 6000 rounds of ammo like that nerd phd dropout killer.

I seriously doubt that phd dropout would have gotten hold of his guns if he had to find some blackmarket dealer to hook him up with some hardware.

And what's this deal about being able to own semi-auto and auto military grade weapons? Thats is another pile of horses dung. If this guy had to use a bolt action rifle, he won't be able to take so many people down.

Can any pro gun folks answer why the hell u need military grade weapons?

and yet Australia has a higher homicide rate then the US. Go figure. Australia is #18 and the US didn't even make the top 25. Wonder if it has anything to do with people being able to protect themselves here?

https://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...ers-per-capita.

# 1 Turkey: 184.053 per 1 million people
# 2 Belarus: 100.35 per 1 million people
# 3 Lithuania: 81.84 per 1 million people
# 4 Albania: 80.637 per 1 million people
# 5 Estonia: 79.043 per 1 million people
# 6 Ukraine: 47.841 per 1 million people
# 7 Turkmenistan: 45.335 per 1 million people
# 8 Latvia: 44.17 per 1 million people
# 9 Croatia: 42.59 per 1 million people
# 10 Romania: 39.226 per 1 million people
# 11 Tajikistan: 33.824 per 1 million people
# 12 Finland: 32.73 per 1 million people
# 13 Slovenia: 22.027 per 1 million people
# 14 Bulgaria: 20.522 per 1 million people
# 15 Hungary: 19.391 per 1 million people
# 16 Sweden: 18.02 per 1 million people
# 17 Belgium: 17.929 per 1 million people
# 18 Australia: 17.007 per 1 million people
# 19 Portugal: 15.298 per 1 million people
# 20 Switzerland: 13.169 per 1 million people
# 21 Italy: 12.259 per 1 million people
# 22 Slovakia: 10.957 per 1 million people
# 23 Poland: 9.813 per 1 million people
# 24 Denmark: 9.395 per 1 million people
# 25 Netherlands: 8.674 per 1 million people

 

[DarthNeil]

You want to know the difference between Canada and the US in these public shootings? The US media gives these pricks the attention they crave.

The US wasn't founded on guns. It's independence was fought and won by it's citizens. Big difference. That's why we have an elected leader and not a queen on the other side of the world. That's why we're not a dual language country.

And honestly, would Canadians want any other country in the world as a buffer between them and the rest of the world?

Uhm, Canada has an elected leader as well. The Queen is our official Head of State but it's a ceremonial title and she wields absolutely no power. We have a parliamentary system and a de-centralized government with power residing strongly within the provinces (and territories). The US was founded by British colonies standing up and fighting to achieve their independence (I believe that muskets were involved)... Canada was founded by a gradual redistribution of power from the UK to the Dominion. Guns were not involved.

A buffer?... When the US announced its intentions to invade Iraq, Canada was one of the nations that stated they were against such an action as there was no basis/connection to 9/11 and that nation. We were identified as being disloyal to our neighbours to the south (even though many Canadians died during 9/11 and we were one of the first nations to help against the Taliban in Afghanistan)... How is that military action viewed today? Canada doesn't need any other nation as a buffer in the world-- we do quite fine on our own... Kind of like our creation of the UN peacekeeping force... Peace through discussions and conflict resolution through dialogue? It's Canadian.

Et j'adore mes deux langues... et bien sur les femmes francaises aussi au passe...

Two nations that are neighbours but are most certainly ideologically on different ends of the spectrum when it comes to gun laws and what's acceptable. There are some Canadians that feel as some Americans do, but that's just the push of American culture that is also slowly easing its way into our sports coverage and media sensationalism.

Like I said, there are two sides to every opinion-- Unfortunately this horrific tragedy had to happen for the dialogue to sharpen once again and I'm sure that it'll be a major point of contention in your upcoming national election just as the mall shooting in T.O. was a recent hot-button issue here.

 

[sprig0701]

Some people are just naive. They act like the US thrives on violence. Show me footage of the rival fan bases at professional sporting events rioting like at some of those football matches. I've been to several Steeler games and the worse I've seen was drunk fans smack-talking. sure there are idiot fans that go too far, but the places don't break out into riots.

I saw The Avengers opening night. Really great crowd and it was actually fun. I've also been in a packed theater where I told 2 teenage chatter-boxes I didn't pay X amount of dollars to listen to them talk about school. They got up and left and I actually got applauded.

This shooting is an unfortunate incident, but is far from the normal here in the US.

 

[DarthNeil]

Some people are just naive. They act like the US thrives on violence. Show me footage of the rival fan bases at professional sporting events rioting like at some of those football matches. I've been to several Steeler games and the worse I've seen was drunk fans smack-talking. sure there are idiot fans that go too far, but the places don't break out into riots.

I saw The Avengers opening night. Really great crowd and it was actually fun. I've also been in a packed theater where I told 2 teenage chatter-boxes I didn't pay X amount of dollars to listen to them talk about school. They got up and left and I actually got applauded.

This shooting is an unfortunate incident, but is far from the normal here in the US.

I dont think anyone is stating that this is the status quo (if they are then they are wildly mis-informed); I do however think that there are many, myself included, that don't understand a system that would allow someone like this nutbar to gain access so quickly to those types of weapons and ammunition. There's a problem in today's society (and it impacts almost every nation) and these flashes of insanity highlight the need for discussion and possible attempts at solutions to curb what has and might take place... eliminations of freedoms should not be the answer, but sane measures should definitely be examined.

 

[Voorhees27]

Some people are just naive. They act like the US thrives on violence. Show me footage of the rival fan bases at professional sporting events rioting like at some of those football matches. I've been to several Steeler games and the worse I've seen was drunk fans smack-talking. sure there are idiot fans that go too far, but the places don't break out into riots.

I saw The Avengers opening night. Really great crowd and it was actually fun. I've also been in a packed theater where I told 2 teenage chatter-boxes I didn't pay X amount of dollars to listen to them talk about school. They got up and left and I actually got applauded.

This shooting is an unfortunate incident, but is far from the normal here in the US.

Nope. No evidence of your country synonymous with violence. None at all.

 

[willocrew]

Statistics can lie. It really depends on who is doing the survey and study. Do they have vested interests?

Here is another one that says US intentional homicide 5.9 per 100k.
Australia is 1.5 per 100k.

https://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/IHS-rates-05012009.pdf

And besides, the stats doesn't tell us why gun nuts need military grade weapons. Why the hell do you need a .338 Lapua magnum rifle that can shoot someone from 1km away? If you're into long distance competition shooting fine. But otherwise you have no business owning any high powered or auto weapons.

and yet Australia has a higher homicide rate then the US. Go figure. Australia is #18 and the US didn't even make the top 25. Wonder if it has anything to do with people being able to protect themselves here?

https://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...ers-per-capita.

# 1 Turkey: 184.053 per 1 million people
# 2 Belarus: 100.35 per 1 million people
# 3 Lithuania: 81.84 per 1 million people
# 4 Albania: 80.637 per 1 million people
# 5 Estonia: 79.043 per 1 million people
# 6 Ukraine: 47.841 per 1 million people
# 7 Turkmenistan: 45.335 per 1 million people
# 8 Latvia: 44.17 per 1 million people
# 9 Croatia: 42.59 per 1 million people
# 10 Romania: 39.226 per 1 million people
# 11 Tajikistan: 33.824 per 1 million people
# 12 Finland: 32.73 per 1 million people
# 13 Slovenia: 22.027 per 1 million people
# 14 Bulgaria: 20.522 per 1 million people
# 15 Hungary: 19.391 per 1 million people
# 16 Sweden: 18.02 per 1 million people
# 17 Belgium: 17.929 per 1 million people
# 18 Australia: 17.007 per 1 million people
# 19 Portugal: 15.298 per 1 million people
# 20 Switzerland: 13.169 per 1 million people
# 21 Italy: 12.259 per 1 million people
# 22 Slovakia: 10.957 per 1 million people
# 23 Poland: 9.813 per 1 million people
# 24 Denmark: 9.395 per 1 million people
# 25 Netherlands: 8.674 per 1 million people

 

[wofford29]

I guess there is a reason why everyone calls on the US first when there's a problem.

 

[sprig0701]

Uhm, Canada has an elected leader as well. The Queen is our official Head of State but it's a ceremonial title and she wields absolutely no power. We have a parliamentary system and a de-centralized government with power residing strongly within the provinces (and territories). The US was founded by British colonies standing up and fighting to achieve their independence (I believe that muskets were involved)... Canada was founded by a gradual redistribution of power from the UK to the Dominion. Guns were not involved.

A buffer?... When the US announced its intentions to invade Iraq, Canada was one of the nations that stated they were against such an action as there was no basis/connection to 9/11 and that nation. We were identified as being disloyal to our neighbours to the south (even though many Canadians died during 9/11 and we were one of the first nations to help against the Taliban in Afghanistan)... How is that military action viewed today? Canada doesn't need any other nation as a buffer in the world-- we do quite fine on our own... Kind of like our creation of the UN peacekeeping force... Peace through discussions and conflict resolution through dialogue? It's Canadian.

Et j'adore mes deux langues... et bien sur les femmes francaises aussi au passe...

Two nations that are neighbours but are most certainly ideologically on different ends of the spectrum when it comes to gun laws and what's acceptable. There are some Canadians that feel as some Americans do, but that's just the push of American culture that is also slowly easing its way into our sports coverage and media sensationalism.

Like I said, there are two sides to every opinion-- Unfortunately this horrific tragedy had to happen for the dialogue to sharpen once again and I'm sure that it'll be a major point of contention in your upcoming national election just as the mall shooting in T.O. was a recent hot-button issue here.

For real, you're simple. We're all well aware that though there is a queen, there is also an elected government in place to run the country. The fact of the matter is, there's still a royal family.

You want to make snide little comments about life in the US and our gun ownership laws, and how Canadians have no fear to go to a movie but Americans do. You also insinuate we're a violent society founded on violence. Not the case.

And yeah, the US is a great buffer zone for Canada. The illegal immigration from the south of us will eventually work its way into Canada, but for now it's great the US is filtering that out for them. It has nothing to do with Canada's lack of support in the Middle East.

And don't care what you said in French there. I have zero reason to learn a second language because all road signs in the US are in English. It's this country's soul language. Anyone learning another language does so of their own free will.

You can sit up there in your little security bubble watching negative news about life in the US and make all the naive assumptions you want. Nothing anyone says on a toy forum will change your bias opinion. But one thing the US is never accussed of being is cowards. Canada on the other hand is viewed as a cowardice country that hides behind the US. Not my opinion, but it is a general opinion of your country by those who don't live in it.

 

[csi]

Statistics can lie. It really depends on who is doing the survey and study. Do they have vested interests?

Here is another one that says US intentional homicide 5.9 per 100k.
Australia is 1.5 per 100k.

https://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/IHS-rates-05012009.pdf

And besides, the stats doesn't tell us why gun nuts need military grade weapons. Why the hell do you need a .338 Lapua magnum rifle that can shoot someone from 1km away? If you're into long distance competition shooting fine. But otherwise you have no business owning any high powered or auto weapons.

not sure I trust statistics that are two year older and admit they use data from multiple years and varying sources to come up with its data.

as to your second point, there are many many people who claim grown ass men like yourself shouldn't have need of toys and statues. Do you listen to them, or do you collect and enjoy what you like and are legally allowed to own?

More to the point if your arguement is people are safer without having guns then stick with that and stop trying to throw out abstract cases to try to make a point. The majority of gun owners in the US do not have .338 Lapua magnum rifle that can shoot someone from 1km away. So if your trying to make a point to eliminate those kinds of guns then perhaps your comment is valid. If your trying to make a point to eliminate all guns, using that to make your argument is weak at best.

 

[wofford29]

I keep seeing people talking about owning auto weapons. Auto weapons are highly regulated in the states and they ain't exactly affordable. I doubt there's many criminals or psychopaths willing to shell out $18,000 for an M16. Sure you can buy an assault rifle, but it's only an assault rifle in looks. It's still semi, and they aren't the same auto rifles the military are using.

 

[csi]

You can sit up there in your little security bubble watching negative news about life in the US and make all the naive assumptions you want. Nothing anyone says on a toy forum will change your bias opinion. But one thing the US is never accussed of being is cowards. Canada on the other hand is viewed as a cowardice country that hides behind the US. Not my opinion, but it is a general opinion of your country by those who don't live in it.

That might be a bit over the top. Canada not backing the US in any of their conflicts is their sovereign right. Calling them cowards because of their beliefs about those conflicts is childish.

 

[csi]

I keep seeing people talking about owning auto weapons. Auto weapons are highly regulated in the states and they ain't exactly affordable. I doubt there's many criminals or psychopaths willing to shell out $18,000 for an M16. Sure you can buy an assault rifle, but it's only an assault rifle in looks. It's still semi, and they aren't the same auto rifles the military are using.

actually its really not that hard or expensive to get a conversion kit for an AR-15 to make it full auto. Completely legal and you don't have to jump though the same hoops to own a M16. Not saying its right or wrong to convert them, just saying its both cheap and easy.

 

[wofford29]

actually its really not that hard or expensive to get a conversion kit for an AR-15 to make it full auto. Completely legal and you don't have to jump though the same hoops to own a M16. Not saying its right or wrong to convert them, just saying its both cheap and easy.

Would you not still have to go through the hoops of getting the proper license? And if not wouldn't that make it illegal once you convert it?

 

[willocrew]

Read my original post. My argument is in relation to 1) how ridiculously easy it is to get a gun in the USA (apparently anyway as I am led to believe by your US media) and 2) why do peole need military grade weapons that has highly efficient killing capabilities.

You on the other hand raised statistics to tell me why people should own guns to protect themselves. Completely irrelevant to my points.

not sure I trust statistics that are two year older and admit they use data from multiple years and varying sources to come up with its data.

as to your second point, there are many many people who claim grown ass men like yourself shouldn't have need of toys and statues. Do you listen to them, or do you collect and enjoy what you like and are legally allowed to own?

More to the point if your arguement is people are safer without having guns then stick with that and stop trying to throw out abstract cases to try to make a point. The majority of gun owners in the US do not have .338 Lapua magnum rifle that can shoot someone from 1km away. So if your trying to make a point to eliminate those kinds of guns then perhaps your comment is valid. If your trying to make a point to eliminate all guns, using that to make your argument is weak at best.

 

[sprig0701]

That might be a bit over the top. Canada not backing the US in any of their conflicts is their sovereign right. Calling them cowards because of their beliefs about those conflicts is childish.

I'm not calling them cowards, I'm just saying that is a general consensus by a lot of people in the US. I even said in my post that wasn't my opinion. My point of that post was basically it's not cool when people throw out a bias opinion about your country when they don't live in it. Pretty much like he was doing about life in the US.

When a country goes to war they go to other countries about supporting their efforts. Some feel the cause is one they can benefit from, some feel the targeted enemy is one they share and some don't want any part of it. That's those countries choices. Canada has sent troops to the Middle East, which a lot of the people in the US don't know. They're just not in it to the extent the US is, so a lot of people in this country look at them as cowards. But once again to make this clear, that is NOT my opinion.

 

[Valfar]

Can't ____ around with Sam Steele,legendary Mountie. XD

[ame="https://youtu.be/Lab6gyWsMXo"]https://youtu.be/Lab6gyWsMXo[/ame]

 

[csi]

Read my original post. My argument is in relation to 1) how ridiculously easy it is to get a gun in the USA (apparently anyway as I am led to believe by your US media) and 2) why do peole need military grade weapons that has highly efficient killing capabilities.

You on the other hand raised statistics to tell me why people should own guns to protect themselves. Completely irrelevant to my points.

not sure irrelevant is accurate, but if you want to break it down by two separate arguments fine by me.

1. Yes its much easier to get a gun in the US then in many other countries, including Australia.

2. According to statistics, Australia has a higher homicide rate per million then the US has, including all their psycho gun toting crazies.

draw whatever conclusion you like from those two facts.