Uh no not stirring the pot. It was on the news, I posted it as unconfirmed. He was also labeled as a member of the Tea Party which was also untrue.
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After reading your post in this thread I seriously think you dislike the US.Just cause...
The slide stock makes it seem like a full auto. Still only fires one bullet per pull of the trigger. He didn't even need to by the trigger assembly. Anything you buy that changes a semi to an actual full you need to have the proper license for.and yet my brother in law managed to do just that by ordering a slide stock and trigger online for a few hundred bucks. No tax stamp, no back ground check, zip. Didn't even need a license to buy the gun.
No Hoodonit.....I wasn't pointing the finger at you. I meant whoever stated it initially.
There's been all kinds of things thrown out there. I think they want to beat the other guy out so bad that whatever they hear, they report it.
I don't know what it is actually. It was my grandfather's. It's small and all silver. I'm sure it's ancient.
I'd check it but I'd have to disturb my mother who's sleeping. I'll check it tomorrow.
Liberals still deny that Obama had anything to do with it despite Holder willingly being held in contempt for refusing to release the proof.
Doesn't this go back years though. I'm not too up on it.
oh no that's fine. You don't have what I asked anyway if it is small. Sounds like you may have a revolver.
thenammagazine
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Doesn't go that far back actually.
Magazine, and sounds like a 1911 Officer, if it's a Colt and smaller.
Operation gun runner was started by the Bush presidency. It was started with the full cooperation of the Mexican government and the firearms were traced the whole time.
Fast and furious was started during this administration. Mexican President Calderon has been on the US government for the last couple of years for the amount of firearms confiscated during raids and such. An American border patrol agent was shot and killed with one of these firearms. it is now coming out that the department of justice was letting these firearms and in some cases telling dealers to allow straw purchases knowing they were going to the drug cartels.
This was all hush hush and was not told to anyone in the Mexican government. Many gun owners, including myself, believe that this was started so that this administration would have an excuse to do something about the 2nd Amendment. Attorney General is now held in contempt for not releasing all files that pertain to this. President Obama issued an EO to keep these files hidden. I think before it's all said and done this will be traced all the way to the top.
In other news, within the next week Obama is most likely going to sign a UN gun treaty which could be the beginning of the end for the 2nd Amendment. A treaty does not supersede the constitution, but does get their foot in the door. People can say conspiracy theory all they want but if you look at fast and furious and this shooting occurring right before the signing of this treaty, well it just doesn't smell right. If people think that this stuff is silly then I suggest they look at history for guidance.
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Sounds like a good chance of it.
thenammagazine
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I think it would've but the fact that this administration authorized the sale of guns to the cartels and said guns killed over 200 mexicans (remember all that border violence Weenie? That was a direct result of Fast and Furious), and because that violence prompted Mexico to build a sign facing our border...
...any attempt to push any legislation for gun control will go back to Fast and Furious and be tagged as such. Because of that, they'd be better off tiptoeing around it and waiting for a better opportunity to bandwagon. Unfortunately, this incident in Colorado and the stupidity of some people thinking gun control would've prevented it are the perfect podium for them to stand on.
devilof76
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Think of the children. 
Which is exactly why certain folks are thinking hmmmmm.I think it would've but the fact that this administration authorized the sale of guns to the cartels and said guns killed over 200 mexicans (remember all that border violence Weenie? That was a direct result of Fast and Furious), and because that violence prompted Mexico to build a sign facing our border...
...any attempt to push any legislation for gun control will go back to Fast and Furious and be tagged as such. Because of that, they'd be better off tiptoeing around it and waiting for a better opportunity to bandwagon. Unfortunately, this incident in Colorado and the stupidity of some people thinking gun control would've prevented it are the perfect podium for them to stand on.
devilof76
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Could their bull____ be any more ham-fisted?
Forget gun control. We need to shut up the NRA. They are so focused on propaganda, marketing and their lobbying efforts that no one can discuss gun rights openly. Any attempt devolves into the same sort of "discussion" fans of rival sports teams have. It should be something we can find common ground on. But thanks to the NRA there's too much garbage out there.
thenammagazine
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If legislators actively pursued laws and tactics that actually took guns out of the hands of criminals, law enforcement actually took the initiative to enforce the laws, get illegal guns off the street and considerably lowered violent crimes, instead of posturing on their soapboxes and brainwashing the ignorant into believing that law-abiding citizens shouldn't have them (while intentionally ignoring illegal trafficking and sales), the NRA would lose the foundation of their argument.
Unfortunately, that doesn't deal with the Conservatives fighting for everybody to have guns and liberals fighting to have every citizen stripped of them. Though I'm willing to bet if we faced an invasion on US soil, liberals would change their tunes if it meant defending their lives and the lives of their loved ones. Funny how that is.
The NRA is a lobbying group. I don't like lobbying groups. Like triple A. We would have much better mass transit and zoning on the West coast if it wasn't for them. The NRAs only job is to sell more guns. That's their one and only goal. Everything that the say, every move they make is to those ends. And they pursue their agenda with complete amorality. They are very good at spreading lies and fostering paranoia. And they are so good at it and have such a foot hold that no one can breathe a word that might impact their bosses' ability to make money.
But your characterization of liberals is waaaaay off base. My family owns guns and we are liberals. I've spent some time in the shooting range and it's a good time. We, and all the other liberals I know, have no desire to strip away all the guns from their owners. That impression is what I'm taking about. That's an NRA tactic. Everyone who doesn't agree with the NRA's every point is out to get your guns. That's what they would have you believe. But it's not the truth and it prevents honest discourse. There is no plot, no agenda to get rid of gun rights.
Some of the points you bring up are important and valid. Legislators can be doing more, if we let them and if they stop posturing. But we have to be able to work together.
But I don't think all the points in your statement are acurate. I think you've been fed falsehoods. While the NRA is all about brainwashing as necessary, I don't think our legislators and police are out to attack our fundamental freedoms or hobbies. I know that there is a percentage of Americans who disagree with my statement. And I think the NRA is solely responsible for that.
thenammagazine
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You'd be wrong. There are posts by members in this thread that prove all my points, from former law enforcement to brainwashed idiots who think stringent gun control has even the smallest effect on criminals gaining access to firearms. The example I stated before was a highly accurate one. I can be a law-abiding citizen and go to a gun shop, pay $600+ for a pistol, show my ID and wait 14 days for a background check to clear, or, go the illegal route and head down to the shady part of town, pay a measly $200 and have a pistol in less than an hour. With a bit more cash and probably a day's wait, I can have a fully automatic, banned assault rifle. Not only is it faster, but it's cheaper. That's how effective gun control is. That's not NRA propaganda, that's fact. Gun control hasn't and really doesn't, deal with the issues of illegal gun trafficking and sales. Instead, it's easier and "safer" to set up a false danger and brainwash the weak-minded into believing that it's better that law abiding citizens have a harder time trying to acquire firearms.
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