12 shot dead at movie theater

[BadMoon]

You say it is your right to own assault rifles, why not rocket launchers, grenades, flame throwers etc where do you draw the line? The arguments put forth from others should cover the items I just mentioned above so why not?

We have the right to own those as well provided we have the necessary licenses. I'm pretty sure it varies by state but I could purchase pretty much whatever I wanted. Although I will admit a grenade launcher in my opinion is a bit extreme.

 

[RonDMC]

We have the right to own those as well provided we have the necessary licenses.

Wow I give up! I never thought you could buy rocket launchers and grenades that is just ridiculous!!!!

 

[BadMoon]

Wow I give up! I never thought you could buy rocket launchers and grenades that is just ridiculous!!!!

That's America.

 

[Darth Cruel]

At the end of the day, I really think everyone on both sides is missing the point. I can not see why everyone feels that they need to bring up security and such arguments.

I will say this. If Canada wants to fear guns and allow their government the authority to restrict them...that is their right.

But this is not Canada. This is the United States. This Nation was founded with the intent to not allow the Governemnt to do that. That is all that is important. Stopping these clowns from their murderous rampages is a separate issue and should not be argued with gun control. Arguing it with gun control makes both sides sound desparate to prove an unprovable point. It is a smoke screen to cover the basic issue...and that again is the fact that our Constitution specifically denies that authority to our government. That is how our forefathers wanted it, and I see nothing to indicate a change to that mindset.

No other argument is valid. The 2nd Ammendment of our Constitution is the only point we need on our side.

And on a different subject...I am perfectly OK with the tough "Cowboy" image that we in the United States project to the world. It is not a bad thing nor am I insulted by those who toss the term around with the intent of offending U.S. citizens. I see those people as weak and ignorant whether their intentions are good or not. And even with the haters in Canada...the Cowboys got your back if it comes to it. We have been wiping the noses of so many other countries for so long that I can look back on that and scoff at the U.S. haters. And I will admit that there are absolutely consequences that come with our way of life . But the benefit that our Cowboy attitude has given the world for so long far outweighs those consequences even now in the light of this tragedy.

 

[wofford29]

Guns don't make a decision for you. If someone has the mindset to kill, they're going to kill with what they have at their disposal. If this guy didn't have guns, he would have just built pipe bombs. If he didn't have pipe bombs he would have just started stabbing people. If he didn't have knives he would have poisoned people. If he didn't have poison he would hit people with his car. If he didn't have a car he would have beat people with an iron pipe. If he didn't have an iron pipe he would have dropped a tv on someones head. If he didn't have a tv he would have strangled someone. If he didn't have hands he would have curbed stomped someone. If he didn't have feet he would have eaten someones face. If he didn't have teeth he would sat on someones face at night to smother them. If he didn't have ass cheeks...tough ____ I guess.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

No other argument is valid. The 2nd Ammendment of our Constitution is the only point we need on our side.

Yes.

And on a different subject...I am perfectly OK with the tough "Cowboy" image that we in the United States project to the world. It is not a bad thing nor am I insulted by those who toss the term around with the intent of offending U.S. citizens. I see those people as weak and ignorant whether their intentions are good or not. And even with the haters in Canada...the Cowboys got your back if it comes to it. We have been wiping the noses of so many other countries for so long that I can look back on that and scoff at the U.S. haters. And I will admit that there are absolutely consequences that come with our way of life . But the benefit that our Cowboy attitude has given the world for so long far outweighs those consequences even now in the light of this tragedy.

Absolutely.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

Let me guess it's wikipedia so you won't believe it? But if it supported your case I'm sure you would!

It's not my fault you're basing your facts on a site that isn't a credible source of information. You wouldn't call me out on this if I did the same?

 

[Sithlord1975]

That's America.

Moviegoers in Sierra Visa, Arizona, panicked when a man who appeared intoxicated was confronted during a showing of the movie. The Cochise County Sheriff's office said it caused "mass hysteria" and about 50 people fled the theatre.

Michael William Borboa, 27, was arrested on suspicion of disorderly conduct, and threatening and intimidating.

A Maine man was arrested when he told authorities that he was on his way to shoot a former employer a day after watching "The Dark Knight Rises," Maine state police said Monday.

Timothy Courtois of Biddeford, Maine, had been stopped for speeding, and a police search of his car found an AK-47 assault weapon, four handguns, ammunition and news clippings about the mass shooting that left 12 people dead early Friday, authorities said.

In Southern California, a man at a Sunday afternoon showing of the film was arrested after witnesses said he made threats and alluded to the Colorado shooting when the movie didn't start.

Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies were called to a cinema complex in Norwalk after moviegoers said 52-year-old Clark Tabor shouted: "I should go off like in Colorado." They said he then asked: "Does anybody have a gun?"


It's just WAY to easy....

Let me just say also. I live in Canada. I live right across from Detroit. Now if you know anything about Detroit and what goes on there on a daily basis, you can see what I see and how contrasting it is just to live across the water, not 10 minutes away in Ontario. And it's like night and day.

 

[KitFisto]

And you think more gun laws will stop it? Please........just like all the drug laws stop drug sales and use right? Or like proabittion stopped the flow of booze right?

Laws will never stop guns or any type of guns.

 

[AllisonAmy]

At the end of the day, I really think everyone on both sides is missing the point. I can not see why everyone feels that they need to bring up security and such arguments.

I will say this. If Canada wants to fear guns and allow their government the authority to restrict them...that is their right.

But this is not Canada. This is the United States. This Nation was founded with the intent to not allow the Governemnt to do that. That is all that is important. Stopping these clowns from their murderous rampages is a separate issue and should not be argued with gun control. Arguing it with gun control makes both sides sound desparate to prove an unprovable point. It is a smoke screen to cover the basic issue...and that again is the fact that our Constitution specifically denies that authority to our government. That is how our forefathers wanted it, and I see nothing to indicate a change to that mindset.

No other argument is valid. The 2nd Ammendment of our Constitution is the only point we need on our side.

And on a different subject...I am perfectly OK with the tough "Cowboy" image that we in the United States project to the world. It is not a bad thing nor am I insulted by those who toss the term around with the intent of offending U.S. citizens. I see those people as weak and ignorant whether their intentions are good or not. And even with the haters in Canada...the Cowboys got your back if it comes to it. We have been wiping the noses of so many other countries for so long that I can look
back on that and scoff at the U.S. haters. And I will admit that there are absolutely consequences that come with our way of life . But the benefit that our Cowboy attitude has given the world for so long far outweighs those consequences even now in the light of this tragedy.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

handguns I can understand for recreation, low capacity rifles I can understand for pest control, hunting etc

but military grade stuff makes it too easy for a single person to take a lot of lives, much harder to do this with a handgun or a low capacity rifle.

Do semi-automatic handguns fall into your broad generalization of "military grade stuff?" Or do you only think revolvers should be allowed? Do you know what "Moon Clips" for revolvers are? Do you realize that a lot of "hunting" rifles are extremely accurate, and one person proficient with their use can do a lot of damage with said rifle regardless of the ammunition capacity?

I might want to throw a few grenades for recreation. Seems stupid doesn't it but that's how I feel with assault rifles. You can still defend yourself with a handgun or bolt action rifle.

If you want to throw grenades for recreation that is your business, but would you like it if someone else was allowed to make that decision for you?

 

[RonDMC]

We have been wiping the noses of so many other countries for so long that I can look back on that and scoff at the U.S. haters. And I will admit that there are absolutely consequences that come with our way of life . But the benefit that our Cowboy attitude has given the world for so long far outweighs those consequences even now in the light of this tragedy.

Most Western Countries don't hate America, most just find the gun ho attitude a little strange. Australia has been involved in every American war since WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Gulf War, Iraq War, and Afghanistan. I doubt any Americans would even know about this. We have lost many good men for wars that had absolutely nothing to do with us and would not have affected us in anyway if we had of sat on the sidelines. The same can probably be said for the UK, Canada etc

The USA and Australia have had the ANZUS treaty since just after WW2 that states an attack on America is the same as an attack on Australia itself and vice versa. This was actually invoked after the attacks of 911 and we have been in Afghanistan and Iraq since day one. Australian SAS soldiers were actually in Iraq a day before the War even began.

I can’t think of any war except Afghanistan since WW2 that was actually warranted so I don’t know about wiping other people’s noses. This is not an attack on any American’s personally more so on some of the foreign policy decisions made by your Government, the majority of which occurred while bush was running the show.

 

[EVILFACE]

They're also the first ones to cry out for our help when ____ hits the fan.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

We have the right to own those as well provided we have the necessary licenses. I'm pretty sure it varies by state but I could purchase pretty much whatever I wanted. Although I will admit a grenade launcher in my opinion is a bit extreme.

With a little bit of ingenuity you could just make your own stuff.......
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDHjcLvjnUg[/ame]

 

[DarthNeil]

With a little bit of ingenuity you could just make your own stuff.......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDHjcLvjnUg

"And quite frankly we don't care."

That's scary. But hopefully Darwinism will win out and there'll be a few less idiots roaming the earth.

 

[RonDMC]

If you want to throw grenades for recreation that is your business, but would you like it if someone else was allowed to make that decision for you?

Someone already has and I couldn't care less. I could get a hand gun if I wanted to join a gun club and wait 6 months. I would have to prove I had a legitimate use for a gun and self defense is not classified as a legitimate use here.I don't even know of any gun shops here off the top of my head.

If someone wanted to take away my rights for freedom of speech, freedom to vote, live in a democracy then that would be another story.

This is what is disturbing, they are becoming so common now your media is referring to these incidents as "Natural Disasters"

BEFORE the dead had even been carried from the cinema in Colorado on Friday afternoon, a CBS broadcaster said in a solemn radio editorial: ''We'll eventually find out who James Holmes is, but he's not a terrorist, we're told, and thousands of other showings were peaceful, so really we have to start seeing these things as natural disasters, like an earthquake or a tornado.''

 

[Darthrazz]

"And quite frankly we don't care."

That's scary. But hopefully Darwinism will win out and there'll be a few less idiots roaming the earth.

Wow! I remember when I was that age, I was just trying to pick up girls. Making a flamethrower never crossed my mind....

 

[DarthNeil]

Wow! I remember when I was that age, I was just trying to pick up girls. Making a flamethrower never crossed my mind....

The times, they are a changing (and it would seem not for the better).

 

[hairlesswookiee]

"And quite frankly we don't care."

That's scary. But hopefully Darwinism will win out and there'll be a few less idiots roaming the earth.

Yes I always chuckle when I watch these youtube videos. I am generally impressed that they were creative enough to do this, but I did shake my head when the person said "better safe than sorry" before shooting flames in front of the tree.

 

[DarthNeil]

Yes I always chuckle when I watch these youtube videos. I am generally impressed that they were creative enough to do this, but I did shake my head when the person said "better safe than sorry" before shooting flames in front of the tree.

This is a prime example of asking where are the parents/responsible adults?