1984 Terminator Premium Format Confirmed

[thenammagazine]

Have to agree... while I enjoy T2, it really pussified the T-800.

"Why do you cry?"

 

[Khev]

Because why does reprogramming a T-800's target of destruction suddenly make him give a rat's ass about why people cry. The Terminators from both movies were technically programmed to do the same thing; kill one thing (Sarah/the T1000) and preserve another (the future of Skynet/young John Connor.)

Imagine if the T-800 in T1 acted like the one in T2.

"Sarah Connor?"

"Yes?"

"Why do you cry?" BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM

 

[Something Sexy]

Because why does reprogramming a T-800's target of destruction suddenly make him give a rat's ass about why people cry. The Terminators from both movies were technically programmed to do the same thing; kill one thing (Sarah/the T1000) and preserve another (the future of Skynet/young John Connor.)

Imagine if the T-800 in T1 acted like the one in T2.

"Sarah Connor?"

"Yes?"

"Why do you cry?" BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM

Because they reset the switch. Skynet sent them out in read only. So once they turned on write his chip is basically like the human brain and wants to know why. I thought that was pretty obvious in the movie.

 

[thenammagazine]

Because they reset the switch. Skynet sent them out in read only. So once they turned on write his chip is basically like the human brain and wants to know why. I thought that was pretty obvious in the movie.

What's next though, a Freudian T-800 asking, "So tell me. Deed you haff sex-u-haul relashons wid yur mudder?"

 

[Khev]

Well that's not totally true. The Terminator in the first movie was obviously adapting and learning phrases not taught by Skynet without anyone having to flip a switch. Note his response to the man asking if he had a dead cat in his room.

 

[gotham_knight]

Because they reset the switch. Skynet sent them out in read only. So once they turned on write his chip is basically like the human brain and wants to know why. I thought that was pretty obvious in the movie.

It was, and they did explain it.

Personally i liked the idea that a machine could learn and come to realise the it couldnt be a part of the world and even though that would break young John Connors heart to not have that father/uncle figure in his life that it was the right choice....oh dear...its a great movie liquid metal, guns, blah blah!

 

[DiFabio]

I would imagine the 1984 Terminator didn't have it's chip set to read only. It learned like Uncle Bob and seemed to be running on the write setting. I always figured the reason it used "____ you _______" was because those punks in the beginning taught it that.

Especially in that scene, the T-800 repeats everything they say just about. "Nothing clean, right", "nice night for a walk". He was a couple of cans short of a 6 pack, like a baby even.

 

[Something Sexy]

Well that's not totally true. The Terminator in the first movie was obviously adapting and learning phrases not taught by Skynet. Note his response to the man asking if he had a dead cat in his room.

I am just going off what T2 said. All terminators sent out were set to read only. What he was set to in T1 I am not sure but it could have been part of his programming, logic skills and problem solving but he doesn't give a ____ as to why. When he is set to write maybe there is new programming that makes the chip want to know why things are so that it can learn.

 

[gotham_knight]

oh and a Hot Toys T1 T-800 is something ive wanted for ages, the T2 version looks great, but T1 was always my favorite film.

 

[DiFabio]

Oh and now that I think about it we're going by the special extended versions anyway. I haven't seen it in awhile but in the theatrical version isn't the T-800 like "I learn anyway" or something about it's CPU being a neural net processor, "a learning computer".

 

[Something Sexy]

Oh and now that I think about it we're going by the special extended versions anyway. I haven't seen it in awhile but in the theatrical version isn't the T-800 like "I learn anyway" or something about it's CPU being a neural net processor, "a learning computer".

The extended edition is the one where he explains about his chip being read only, I believe.

 

[thenammagazine]

Well that's not totally true. The Terminator in the first movie was obviously adapting and learning phrases not taught by Skynet without anyone having to flip a switch. Note his response to the man asking if he had a dead cat in his room.

Which was a major continuity error between films and a good reason, intended or not, for that CPU scene in T2 to wind up on the cutting room floor.

 

[Something Sexy]

Which was a major continuity error between films and a good reason, intended or not, for that CPU scene in T2 to wind up on the cutting room floor.

Scene was way too badass to ignore for me.

 

[DiFabio]

The extended edition is the one where he explains about his chip being read only, I believe.

Yeah and they reset the pin switch. I'm talking about the regular one. Instead of showing that scene he's just like "the more contact I have with humans the more I learn".

So going by the theatrical version all the T-800s are like that.

 

[Something Sexy]

Yeah and they reset the pin switch. I'm talking about the regular one. Instead of showing that scene he's just like "the more contact I have with humans the more I learn".

So going by the theatrical version all the T-800s are like that.

Yep, and then makes the T2 T-800 a _____ but if you keep in the extended stuff it makes him less of a _____.

 

[thenammagazine]

Scene was way too badass to ignore for me.

As is the case with most classic movies, there are some scenes that are great standalone scenes, do doubt. But in the bigger picture, not so much. As Khev already pointed out, the whole scene becomes irrelevant when you see in T1 the T-800 basically doing the same thing without the reset.

 

[Something Sexy]

As is the case with most classic movies, there are some scenes that are great standalone scenes, do doubt. But in the bigger picture, not so much. As Khev already pointed out, the whole scene becomes irrelevant when you see in T1 the T-800 basically doing the same thing without the reset.

Yea, the only argument I could see is that Skynet set his to write when they set him out because he would be in a different time and almost new world that it would be advantageous to be able to easily adapt. But that is a stretch.

 

[DiFabio]

Yep, and then makes the T2 T-800 a _____ but if you keep in the extended stuff it makes him less of a _____.

Yeah, except maybe that creepy ass smile.

It could have been alot worse though. I remember reading in the script, the comic, and the novel a long time ago that originally Sarah was supposed to ask the T-800 if he was afraid before lowering him into the vat of molten steel and he replied . . . "yes".

 

[Something Sexy]

Yeah, except maybe that creepy ass smile.

It could have been alot worse though. I remember reading in the script, the comic, and the novel a long time ago that originally Sarah was supposed to ask the T-800 if he was afraid before lowering him into the vat of molten steel and he replied . . . "yes".

Now THAT would have been pretty awful.

 

[thenammagazine]

Yeah, except maybe that creepy ass smile.

It could have been alot worse though. I remember reading in the script, the comic, and the novel a long time ago that originally Sarah was supposed to ask the T-800 if he was afraid before lowering him into the vat of molten steel and he replied . . . "yes".

Not really a far stretch IMO from the bullet hits registering and the data being called pain. Naturally you could take the next step and say the programming preventing him from self-terminating could be considered fear.