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I took my nephew to go see it at the request of my sister. I also started to fall asleep half way through. The only reason I didn't is because I had a 7 year old next to me and obviously one cannot fall asleep in that situation. As for my retarded comment, yes you kinda deserved it. If you want to have a conversation or speak on one comments when you quote them please insert a question or comment instead of all emoticons. LOL! :lol Thank you drive through. :rock

There's nothing retarded about quoting the post you are responding to, especially when a lot of people are posting in the same thread at that given moment.

I'n not offended that you called me retarded, but I'd rather you have chosen the right time to do it, when I'm a bit less rational :)
 
That some are even mentioning AVATAR in the same breath with those films is what annoys many of us to no end.

I just don't get the haters. Avatar is this generation's Star Wars. It is an honest, simple story based around a solid mythology. It is an adventure that takes you on a trip to a strange new unseen world, and has a clear moral compass.

...and barring that, it leads the way for brand new motion picture technology.

Movie making is a constant evolution, and very few filmmakers have done more for the process than James Cameron. Try keeping that in mind, especially when comparing him to a director that has only made a handful of films. Especially when of that handful runs out of steam after four (... and that fourth one is Point Break).

Speaking negatively of James Cameron or Avatar is dismissive. Both deserve more respect.
 
There's nothing retarded about quoting the post you are responding to, especially when a lot of people are posting in the same thread at that given moment.

I'n not offended that you called me retarded, but I'd rather you have chosen the right time to do it, when I'm a bit less rational :)

:lol! You got it! :duff :rock
 
Speaking negatively of James Cameron or Avatar is dismissive. Both deserve more respect.

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Just a few thoughts on the show...

Martin and Baldwin were awesome :rock

Inglourious Basterds should have won more :lecture

The Dude and Hans! :rock

Best Animated Movie nominations were great and Up FTW :rock

Ben Stiller, WTF :lol

Must say, even though i expected it, i was still a bit surprised Bullock won over Streep and Mirren.

Just when i thought i couldnt hate Tyler Perry anymore, he took the stage and made me hate him even more :monkey4

What was Twilight, Hannah Montana and High School Musical doing at the Oscars :confused: :emperor

Is it me or did the Best Picture feel rushed? It was like Tom Hanks just walked out on stage, said a couple of lines and and announced the winner.

Congrats to Bigelow and The Hurt Locker :clap
 
I just don't get the haters. Avatar is this generation's Star Wars. It is an honest, simple story based around a solid mythology. It is an adventure that takes you on a trip to a strange new unseen world, and has a clear moral compass.

...and barring that, it leads the way for brand new motion picture technology.

Movie making is a constant evolution, and very few filmmakers have done more for the process than James Cameron. Try keeping that in mind, especially when comparing him to a director that has only made a handful of films. Especially when of that handful runs out of steam after four (... and that fourth one is Point Break).

Speaking negatively of James Cameron or Avatar is dismissive. Both deserve more respect.

This is where we differ: I simply don't think AVATAR is that special, innovative, or ground-breaking. At all. I think it's 90% technical conceit ("let's make a visual spectacle designed for a 3D/IMAX experience") and 10% what some are claiming it to be, which is supposedly this revolutionary cultural touchstone (like the original STAR WARS). It's just not that special.

And that's not a referendum on Cameron and his true abilities and a filmmaker and storyteller. He's already made some amazing films that truly transcend their subject matter beyond their amazing tech advances. But all of those came before 1997, imho.

Here's the deal: I like AVATAR. It's good. I just don't love it or think it's "great" or a "masterpiece" or anything, and the billions of dollars and Avatard zealots are truly befuddling to me. And you of all people know that I was there from the very beginning, covering the film and all its tie-ins and SDCC last year. I was at the Cameron presentation and 25 minutes of finished footage and I was jacked. But the final film itself never rose above its hype to me. I wouldn't even put it in my Top 3-4 Cameron films. Again, it's good... but it has been hideously over-valued. And if that makes me a "hater", then so be it. But I'd like to think I'm one of the few actually being rational about this thing.

"And this generation's STAR WARS"? I don't see that, either. I think that's just a canard based on the financial success of the film. The fandom sect that is truly obsessed with the film is really relegated to those who let's just say... are far from mainstream. Joe Sixpack has gone to the movie in droves, but I don't see a real cultural impact anywhere. The toys still clog store shelves... and I'm around kids all the time and AVATAR is almost never a topic of discussion (while things like IRON MAN and even CLONE WARS are). STAR WARS literally energized and inspired a huge, huge portion of our generation. Hell, it absolutely helped define some of our very childhoods. Do you really think AVATAR is even close to doing that? No way.

And what is this "brand new" motion picture technology that AVATAR is "leading the way" on? 3D & CGI have already been around, and while it may be the first major movie to utilize those technologies to their fullest it certainly isn't a trailblazer or envelope-pusher in either. We've all seen films with better FX, better 3D, and a better IMAX experience (mostly true IMAX films). This just threw them together and pulled it off all at once. And while that was certainly revelatory, it was far from revolutionary from a technical standpoint.

But it will have at least a short-term impact in Hollywood. Now every studio action event film is announcing 3D. So, it's spawned a fad that may quickly become old. Yippie.
 
I just don't get the haters. Avatar is this generation's Star Wars. It is an honest, simple story based around a solid mythology. It is an adventure that takes you on a trip to a strange new unseen world, and has a clear moral compass.

...and barring that, it leads the way for brand new motion picture technology.

Movie making is a constant evolution, and very few filmmakers have done more for the process than James Cameron. Try keeping that in mind, especially when comparing him to a director that has only made a handful of films. Especially when of that handful runs out of steam after four (... and that fourth one is Point Break).

Speaking negatively of James Cameron or Avatar is dismissive. Both deserve more respect.


Point Break owns Avatar. :lecture

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I hope that Avatar isn't this generation's Star Wars, if so our imaginations have become awfully anemic. :sick
 
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I hope that Avatar isn't this generation's Star Wars,

Don't worry. It isn't. Like I said, for it to truly be "this generation's Star Wars" it'd have to inspire a hell of a lot more people/kids than it has. Outside of its diehard fans, I think most people see AVATAR for what it truly is: a very good sci-fi film & cinematic tech spectacle... but nothing more. It won't transcend and define an era the way SW did. Not even close.
 
DP's all over the world must still have their jaws on the ground. Honestly, it was baffling that it was even nominated in that category, much less it actually winning.

I can "kinda of" understand it.
The line between the real and CGI is becoming more blurred each year.
Zodiac comes to mind. I beautiful mix. Way more true photography than CGI, but does the blend eliminate it from the cinematography category as well?

Overall, Im glad Avatar didnt win much. Ive seen it once and dont care to watch it again (felt like Id already seen it several times)

Basterds shouldve won more.

I agree that Where the Wild Things Are shouldve been in the mix.


I will note that as an event designer myself, I thought the Rockwell group did an outstanding job on the set design this year.
 
Both of the following posts are very well worded and deserve props. :duff


I just don't get the haters. Avatar is this generation's Star Wars. It is an honest, simple story based around a solid mythology. It is an adventure that takes you on a trip to a strange new unseen world, and has a clear moral compass.

...and barring that, it leads the way for brand new motion picture technology.

Movie making is a constant evolution, and very few filmmakers have done more for the process than James Cameron. Try keeping that in mind, especially when comparing him to a director that has only made a handful of films. Especially when of that handful runs out of steam after four (... and that fourth one is Point Break).

Speaking negatively of James Cameron or Avatar is dismissive. Both deserve more respect.

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I agree with almost everything you said here.

However, I don't think that Avatar will be this generations Star Wars. Nothing seems to be capable of doing that. I am a huge LOTR fan and the movies moved me beyond belief. I bought tons of LOTR action figures and I remember telling people that these figures would be marketed forever, just like SW figures... boy was I wrong. No way will Avatar have the kind of staying power that SW has... but to be honest, I don't know why. :dunno

... certainly the marketing benefits from the variety of worlds and alien races presented in SW, whereas LOTR only has a few races and Avatar only has 2.


This is where we differ: I simply don't think AVATAR is that special, innovative, or ground-breaking. At all. I think it's 90% technical conceit ("let's make a visual spectacle designed for a 3D/IMAX experience") and 10% what some are claiming it to be, which is supposedly this revolutionary cultural touchstone (like the original STAR WARS). It's just not that special.

And that's not a referendum on Cameron and his true abilities and a filmmaker and storyteller. He's already made some amazing films that truly transcend their subject matter beyond their amazing tech advances. But all of those came before 1997, imho.

Here's the deal: I like AVATAR. It's good. I just don't love it or think it's "great" or a "masterpiece" or anything, and the billions of dollars and Avatard zealots are truly befuddling to me. And you of all people know that I was there from the very beginning, covering the film and all its tie-ins and SDCC last year. I was at the Cameron presentation and 25 minutes of finished footage and I was jacked. But the final film itself never rose above its hype to me. I wouldn't even put it in my Top 3-4 Cameron films. Again, it's good... but it has been hideously over-valued. And if that makes me a "hater", then so be it. But I'd like to think I'm one of the few actually being rational about this thing.

"And this generation's STAR WARS"? I don't see that, either. I think that's just a canard based on the financial success of the film. The fandom sect that is truly obsessed with the film is really relegated to those who let's just say... are far from mainstream. Joe Sixpack has gone to the movie in droves, but I don't see a real cultural impact anywhere. The toys still clog store shelves... and I'm around kids all the time and AVATAR is almost never a topic of discussion (while things like IRON MAN and even CLONE WARS are). STAR WARS literally energized and inspired a huge, huge portion of our generation. Hell, it absolutely helped define some of our very childhoods. Do you really think AVATAR is even close to doing that? No way.

And what is this "brand new" motion picture technology that AVATAR is "leading the way" on? 3D & CGI have already been around, and while it may be the first major movie to utilize those technologies to their fullest it certainly isn't a trailblazer or envelope-pusher in either. We've all seen films with better FX, better 3D, and a better IMAX experience (mostly true IMAX films). This just threw them together and pulled it off all at once. And while that was certainly revelatory, it was far from revolutionary from a technical standpoint.

But it will have at least a short-term impact in Hollywood. Now every studio action event film is announcing 3D. So, it's spawned a fad that may quickly become old. Yippie.


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Again, a very well worded post. But this individual obviously has a very, very, very high opinion of his... opinion. It seems that he set himself up for disappointment, being so involved in the hype. Personally I had very low expectations because of how CGI heavy it was. I thought it would look like a big hurky gerky cartoon mess. But it didn't. The visuals were so completely believable that I would go as far as to say that it was the first CG movie I have seen that didn't distract me with it's use of CG at all, and that's saying something considering how much there was.


As to the comment that "it was far from revolutionary from a technical standpoint," I suggest you read the latest issue of Wired magazine. There are 2 articles dealing with the never before used tech that Cameron employed.




In conclusion I will say this. I find a lot of reasons to like movies, but there is only one reason I love a movie: The way it makes me feel. I was very deeply moved by Avatar. I felt floods of emotion wash over me as I watched it. And I am not some teenage "fanboy," I am a grown man who has been through a lot. I felt the same way when I watched The Return of the King.


Did I feel that way when I watched Star Wars? I never have. Revenge of the Sith came close with the transformation of Anakin to Vader, but it never truly moved me or brought tears to my eyes.



This is my personal experience. I realize that we all have different backgrounds and not everyone is moved by the same things, but I don't want to be lumped in with a group being refered to as "Avatards" because I thought Avatar was a truly great movie that deserved its nominations.

That said, I am glad that Hurt Locker won. Cameron can be pleased he was nominated and also won the GG BP award.
 
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