What!!?? Terminator 3 doesnt exist??
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What!!?? Terminator 3 doesnt exist??
Y'know what? I'm ashamed to say it but I did laugh when I watched that again just now - its a great Arnie sequence and probably the last time we'll ever see him looking like his 'old young' self. But its just totally wrong for a Terminator film. A terminator spoof? Sure. But not an actual Terminator film. T3 was too much of a self parody and would have been made even moreso had this scene been included.
Is T5 even still happening? I thought T4 underperformed and the rights were switching hands again etc etc
I know but it will happen im sure, eventually
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I would have loved for this scene to be in the film. I definitely want this to be cannon. C'mon, it has to bring a smile to your face. And Arnie's smile, then serious look is priceless. The movie did have that horrible gay bar pink glasses scene which was funny but really stupid. This at least makes sense if it was included.
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I agree, it is a funny scene. The humor in it is more in line with Total Recall/Robocop, but I like it.
Though the soldier sounds like he should be black. Maybe a Texas accent would have worked better.
Though the soldier sounds like he should be black. Maybe a Texas accent would have worked better.
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That's the point, it makes no sense, it makes no sense with the previous story written by Cameron (this would mean that humans built Terminator, and not Skynet, which is stupid) and also, Terminator isn't meant to be a comedy (bad comedy at it)..
I really hate that scene for what it could have done to the Terminator serial.
Third part should have never existed!
I'm not saying it wasn't a funny scene, it was, it just isn't something that Terminator movie should be!
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That's the point, it makes no sense, it makes no sense with the previous story written by Cameron (this would mean that humans built Terminator, and not Skynet, which is stupid) and also, Terminator isn't meant to be a comedy (bad comedy at it)..
I really hate that scene for what it could have done to the Terminator serial.
Third part should have never existed!
I'm not saying it wasn't a funny scene, it was, it just isn't something that Terminator movie should be!
Every movie is an alternate timeline though, so the creation of the t800 doesn't always occur at the same points in time. Hicks for example going to the past for the first time in the timeline would not have known John Conner until him and Sarah hooked up creating the alternate timeline where John Conner does exist. Obviously John Conner in the future learns Skynet is sending back a Terminator to kill his mother sends Reese because he hears his name and puts two and two together that he is his father. Now the new timeline begins and we see Terminator 1 with Kyle already knowing about John being the leader of the resistance but doesn't know he is the father and never will. My explanation does account for multiple timelines and makes the most sense of all the explanations as to how everything got started. Remember each time someone gets sent to the past, an alternate timeline occurs. In T3, a few Colonels were killed by the Terminatrix wiping them out of existence at the end of that timeline which leads into Salvation. What is unclear is whether or not the Marcus storyline was already occurring, or was that within the same timeline? My guess is its the same.
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I do understand you, and one can go nuts thinking about time traveling, and trying to keep the timeline understandable..
However, I see no logical explanation to why would humans develop Terminator, and looking the very same way that first one sent beck in time looked like.
But I really don't feel like talking about T3 at all
It was really a lousy movie, it was a terrible Terminator movie, but if you try to look at it independently (as a non.Terminator movie), it's a good action movie with a huge plotholes
Nothing more, nothing less..
Bottom point, I'm glad they didn't include that scene, as in my opinion,
Mostow hurt the whole Terminator image as is, it would only make it look even worse!
So I'm not the only one who thought that! Yeah whoever 'voiced' Arnie in the scene sounds like an older black man!
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I do understand you, and one can go nuts thinking about time traveling, and trying to keep the timeline understandable..
However, I see no logical explanation to why would humans develop Terminator, and looking the very same way that first one sent beck in time looked like.
But I really don't feel like talking about T3 at all
It was really a lousy movie, it was a terrible Terminator movie, but if you try to look at it independently (as a non.Terminator movie), it's a good action movie with a huge plotholes
Nothing more, nothing less..
Bottom point, I'm glad they didn't include that scene, as in my opinion,
Mostow hurt the whole Terminator image as is, it would only make it look even worse!
There are many companies working on robotics like Cyberdine did in the movie. Terminator Salvation explains Cyberdine as a private company and Skynet as simply the computer program to control all internet. Skynet discovers Cyberdine the moment it became self aware and is able to control the cyberdine robots and keeps improving the design. Every line of Terminator looks the same. The T800 vs the T1000 for example are two different looking models. The T1000 was a prototype built and sent back in time as a last ditch effort since at that point in the future they were losing the war against the humans. Re-read my last post as I explain the multiple timelines pretty well where even Terminator 3 fits..
Whoa, whoa, whoa whoa, whoa! Where the heck did you two come from. You guys are late to the party. The regulars in this thread have already beaten this horse. Go back and read this entire thread. Yes, the timeline issue is a brain scrambler, but I've already accounted for everything. I'll go ahead and address a few points again for the newcomers here though.
Yes, humans did build Terminators. Cyberdyne made its name off of the designs and programming they reverse engineered from the chip and the remains of the 1984 Terminator which they ultimately developed through military contracts. T2 clearly shows that they have the parts. Not to mention that it's called, by Kyle, Cyberdyne Systems model 101, not Skynet model 101. At least the prototypes, and probably remote controlled versions of them (Skynet A.I. not ready yet), minus cyborg skin; probably with rubber skin, would have to have been already built before the war for them to be called Cyberdyne models, wouldn't they.
No. The only alternate timeline is from the moment the T-1000 and the second T-800 arrive in 1995, which leads to the destruction of the Cyberdyne building, which then lands all of the Cyberdyne patents in the hands of Cyber Research Systems (CRS), as seen in T3.
True, but the fact that it exists at stems from the fact that Cyberdyne had the remains from the 1984 Terminator, which gave Cyberdyne the model from which to build.
First, WTF does HICKS have to do with anything! This isn't Aliens! For that alone you need to GTFO. You clearly aren't one to be making sense of Terminator mythology. And it's spelled 'Cyberdyne', not 'Cyberdine'.
Second, There is a time loop that cannot be broken which creates both John and Skynet. By trying to kill Sarah, Skynet inadvertantly made sure John would be born, and unknowingly began its own existance by putting the T-800 into the past where its chip would be found. Neither of them exist without the other.
And what is this 'Kyle wouldn't have known about John until he went back and altered time with Sarah' BS. Are you ____ing kidding me? Kyle wouldn't have gone back to save Sarah if John hadn't sent him. The whole reason Kyle volunteered to go back is because John gave him that picture of her and told Kyle all about her. Kyle fell in love with her secretly, but John made sure it would happen. Besides, Kyle even tells Sarah he would die for John Connor. How can you miss that point?
What?! What?! John grew up knowing that Skynet would send a Terminator after his mother. She would have told him that. Hell, she was making tapes about it when he was still a bun in her oven. She told him all about Kyle being his father, too. Didn't you watch the movie all the way to the end? If John doesn't exist without Kyle, and Sarah made all those tapes, then John could not possibly have simply put two and two together about Kyle. John knows what's going to happen. He knew all about it before he was ten years old; before his mom got arrested and put in an assylum.
Without the events of T2, Marcus would not be on death row because Judgment Day would have happened already in 1997. After T2, the events concerning him would not have changed from what was seen in TS.
Because Cyberdyne was always responsible for making the model 101 Terminator, and the source of its design comes from what was left in their factory at the end of T1. It's a causality loop. Terminator gets sent back. Remains found in factory. Cyberdyne makes Terminator based on remains. Probably get military funding for it and Skynet which is being developed from the chip. Skynet goes online and starts the war. Skynet uses Terminators to hunt down strategic targets in the growing threat of the rising Resistance toward the end of the war. The T-600s (probably as far as Cyberdyne ever got in the design process) are not as effective at infiltration as Skynet needs them to be, so it developes cyborgs from the 600s, making them 800s by way of numeric progression. The Resistance still defeats Skynet, but Skynet uses time displacement to send an 800 after Sarah to make sure John is never born to defeat Skynet. Kyle goes after it. John is born. Time loop repeats, but gets altered by the destruction of Cyberdyne building in T2. Remains to be seen where it will end.
Any questions?
Yes, humans did build Terminators. Cyberdyne made its name off of the designs and programming they reverse engineered from the chip and the remains of the 1984 Terminator which they ultimately developed through military contracts. T2 clearly shows that they have the parts. Not to mention that it's called, by Kyle, Cyberdyne Systems model 101, not Skynet model 101. At least the prototypes, and probably remote controlled versions of them (Skynet A.I. not ready yet), minus cyborg skin; probably with rubber skin, would have to have been already built before the war for them to be called Cyberdyne models, wouldn't they.
No. The only alternate timeline is from the moment the T-1000 and the second T-800 arrive in 1995, which leads to the destruction of the Cyberdyne building, which then lands all of the Cyberdyne patents in the hands of Cyber Research Systems (CRS), as seen in T3.
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True, but the fact that it exists at stems from the fact that Cyberdyne had the remains from the 1984 Terminator, which gave Cyberdyne the model from which to build.
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First, WTF does HICKS have to do with anything! This isn't Aliens! For that alone you need to GTFO. You clearly aren't one to be making sense of Terminator mythology. And it's spelled 'Cyberdyne', not 'Cyberdine'.
Second, There is a time loop that cannot be broken which creates both John and Skynet. By trying to kill Sarah, Skynet inadvertantly made sure John would be born, and unknowingly began its own existance by putting the T-800 into the past where its chip would be found. Neither of them exist without the other.
And what is this 'Kyle wouldn't have known about John until he went back and altered time with Sarah' BS. Are you ____ing kidding me? Kyle wouldn't have gone back to save Sarah if John hadn't sent him. The whole reason Kyle volunteered to go back is because John gave him that picture of her and told Kyle all about her. Kyle fell in love with her secretly, but John made sure it would happen. Besides, Kyle even tells Sarah he would die for John Connor. How can you miss that point?
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What?! What?! John grew up knowing that Skynet would send a Terminator after his mother. She would have told him that. Hell, she was making tapes about it when he was still a bun in her oven. She told him all about Kyle being his father, too. Didn't you watch the movie all the way to the end? If John doesn't exist without Kyle, and Sarah made all those tapes, then John could not possibly have simply put two and two together about Kyle. John knows what's going to happen. He knew all about it before he was ten years old; before his mom got arrested and put in an assylum.
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Without the events of T2, Marcus would not be on death row because Judgment Day would have happened already in 1997. After T2, the events concerning him would not have changed from what was seen in TS.
Because Cyberdyne was always responsible for making the model 101 Terminator, and the source of its design comes from what was left in their factory at the end of T1. It's a causality loop. Terminator gets sent back. Remains found in factory. Cyberdyne makes Terminator based on remains. Probably get military funding for it and Skynet which is being developed from the chip. Skynet goes online and starts the war. Skynet uses Terminators to hunt down strategic targets in the growing threat of the rising Resistance toward the end of the war. The T-600s (probably as far as Cyberdyne ever got in the design process) are not as effective at infiltration as Skynet needs them to be, so it developes cyborgs from the 600s, making them 800s by way of numeric progression. The Resistance still defeats Skynet, but Skynet uses time displacement to send an 800 after Sarah to make sure John is never born to defeat Skynet. Kyle goes after it. John is born. Time loop repeats, but gets altered by the destruction of Cyberdyne building in T2. Remains to be seen where it will end.
Any questions?
Skynet is not a program to control the internet. It is a Global Defense System built by Cyberdyne for North American Defense (NORAD). Only because of T2 did it go online later and become an internet entity, which allowed it to take over through the virus the TX uploaded through the cell phone. If not for that event, Skynet may never have become self aware. It wasn't until after she arrived that CRS's systems started to malfunction, leading them to employ Skynet, which then became instantly self aware instead of taking several weeks of learning at a geometric rate (as per the information given by the T-800 in T2).
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whoa looks like it's open season on noobs today, hahahahaha!
i'll pitch in my lil contribution then: it's not john conner, it's john connor, with an "o".
i'll pitch in my lil contribution then: it's not john conner, it's john connor, with an "o".
whoa looks like it's open season on noobs today, hahahahaha!
i'll pitch in my lil contribution then: it's not john conner, it's john connor, with an "o".
I smell a flame war coming
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Erm, still, my question then is.....Who built the first Terminator that was sent to past in the first movie?! Before John was born? And before Cyberdyne Systems got the parts of it to reverse engineer?
T2 shows that they have parts, broken CPU and non working hand (from what we see), Miles works on a CPU in size of a coffee table..OK, so they work on AI, and reverse engineering of Terminator.....
Who made that Terminator whose pieces we see here?
Also, I believe that it is generally accepted that CSM-101 is the marking for the skin pattern/model, his look in the human form..
As to why it's called Cyberdyne, and not Skynet Systems Model 101, it could be number of things if we'll guess, I personally haven't found the firm proof why is it to that? It could have been the fact that their look, was based off of people related to Cyberdyne, and that Cyberdyne had them in their archives, maybe tested them, maybe something third.
I understand that getting in the "alternate" timeline, after T1, Cyberdyne could have been working on Terminator, but it still isn't the reason enough to explain who built that very first one we see, the "evil" Arnold if you wish!
There´s always the discussion if not the resistance was lead by another individual than John Connor, before he was conceived by Kyle and Sarah and where the first T-800 came from, but Cyberdyne Systems never build Terminators BEFORE Skynet.
They only reverse engineered Skynet from the Model 101, Skynet itself bombed Russia and those in retaliation the USA and after that happened Skynet startet to build H-K´s.
Technically every machine in the skynet future is a H-K, but the description changed when they started looking human, that´s why they´re called Terminators and when they achieved the capability to infiltrate the resistance camps they´re branded Infiltrators.
Skynet just used the posibilities that it got with the materials, making clunky machines and used them to build factories and that´s why it proceeded to make better machines.
The Humans NEVER made ONE SINGLE TERMINATOR, even when T3 showed something like that, with the T-900, it´s clear nonsense and one of the reasons why almost nothing of which occured in the T3 timeline was mentioned in T4.
Tsss...900´s before T-1...yeah right. Mostow sure did screw up the timeline and T4 almost restored it, so even when McG made worse mistakes and left tons of stuff out, he kinda let T4 make the timeline have "sense" again, EVEN with Marcus Wright in it.
They only reverse engineered Skynet from the Model 101, Skynet itself bombed Russia and those in retaliation the USA and after that happened Skynet startet to build H-K´s.
Technically every machine in the skynet future is a H-K, but the description changed when they started looking human, that´s why they´re called Terminators and when they achieved the capability to infiltrate the resistance camps they´re branded Infiltrators.
Skynet just used the posibilities that it got with the materials, making clunky machines and used them to build factories and that´s why it proceeded to make better machines.
The Humans NEVER made ONE SINGLE TERMINATOR, even when T3 showed something like that, with the T-900, it´s clear nonsense and one of the reasons why almost nothing of which occured in the T3 timeline was mentioned in T4.
Tsss...900´s before T-1...yeah right. Mostow sure did screw up the timeline and T4 almost restored it, so even when McG made worse mistakes and left tons of stuff out, he kinda let T4 make the timeline have "sense" again, EVEN with Marcus Wright in it.
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