Apple iPhone - Who's getting one...

[dekadentdave]

Well from a "business" perspective, and the number of windows users then they can sell more anti-virus software to windows users than mac users. My point is that there are still mac viruses and the argument that macs don't get viruses because there aren't as many users has nothing to do with the fact that there are viruses written for mac. Sure, there's MORE for windows users because they have the market share and anti-virus software companies are profitting more from them then they are from mac users. I just think its erroneous when people assume that macs don't get viruses because of the numbers and its not worth writing them. If somebody wants to hijack your system, there going to do it irregardless of what OS you use. From a "business" perspective, they are going to profit more from the largest market share which is why Windows has more viruses.

 

[DouglasMcc]

I'll agree with that, I found it quite coincidental that the summer I dealt with the most virus attacks ever at my company, was also a summer that found about a dozen kiosks full of Norton Antivirus at any place that sells software. I have no doubt that anti-virus companies work it behind the scenes for half of the threats to come out, if viruses were defeated they'd be out of business.

Hmm ... even though it's a federal offense to perpetuate a major virus attack - and with the new laws, businesses and such can sue a person or business for lost data and productivity due to virus attacks - you still believe this is all some conspiracy by the Anti-Virus companies? I apologize for the mocking tone, but that's just plain silly. Why would a company open itself up to that, when there are plenty of hackers out there who will do that for free just for "sh#t and giggles"? There was no one on the grassy knoll and virus companies do not need to perpetuate viruses to stay in business.

 

[dekadentdave]

I thought you left? Just couldn't stay away huh?

 

[MaulFan]

Hmm ... even though it's a federal offense to perpetuate a major virus attack - and with the new laws, businesses and such can sue a person or business for lost data and productivity due to virus attacks - you still believe this is all some conspiracy by the Anti-Virus companies? I apologize for the mocking tone, but that's just plain silly. Why would a company open itself up to that, when there are plenty of hackers out there who will do that for free just for "sh#t and giggles"? There was no one on the grassy knoll and virus companies do not need to perpetuate viruses to stay in business.

And what world do you live in where corruption does not exist. You want to tell me Norton couldn't pay some government official off to look the other way while paying some hacker under that table to do their work for them. I don't think every virus comes about in this manner, but I will guarantee it happens, it is too convenient for virus threats and software sales to increase equally over a given period.

 

[dekadentdave]

Like your new avatar Maulfan! Hilarious!

 

[MaulFan]

Like your new avatar Maulfan! Hilarious!

What good is life if you can't have a laugh or two at it.

 

[DouglasMcc]

I thought you left? Just couldn't stay away huh?

Hmm ... no, once again you are wrong. I simply left the argument and went in search of intelligent debate. There is a difference. Of course, ironically, you managed to drag me back into the muck, so I guess you are right to a certain extent.

 

[dekadentdave]

Well you came back here.

 

[DouglasMcc]

What good is life if you can't have a laugh or two at it.

So true, so true:

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[mfoga]

Hmm ... even though it's a federal offense to perpetuate a major virus attack - and with the new laws, businesses and such can sue a person or business for lost data and productivity due to virus attacks - you still believe this is all some conspiracy by the Anti-Virus companies? I apologize for the mocking tone, but that's just plain silly. Why would a company open itself up to that, when there are plenty of hackers out there who will do that for free just for "sh#t and giggles"? There was no one on the grassy knoll and virus companies do not need to perpetuate viruses to stay in business.

Ok let me explain this some. The Anti-virus Company itself has nothing to do woth the viruses being made. The number of Virus made by hackers are down they have moved to malware and stuff like that. There are some being made but not like before. A lot of the developers make viruses on the their off time. The Virus Co has nothing to do with this directly, but they profilt from this. Now you may ask why, well the number of attacks is way down so unless these developers want to lose their jobs they need viruses.

Come how is it that a very large % of the viruses have updates for them within hours of the virus hitting the net? Maybe becasue some one has the source code?

It happens, trust me I know for sure that it happens.
And no it not me that has done this.

 

[Vader AL]

apparantly it costs Apple $200 to make the 4 GB iphone and $220 for the 8 GB(?) version....they made some mad cash over the weekend.

 

[tomandshell]

I will pick up one of these things when they get more than 8 gigs of memory.

 

[carbo-fation]

I will pick up one of these things when they get more than 8 gigs of memory.

That's one of my biggest concerns with the iphone besides it being totally new. I have 30gb ipod video right now and it's almost full with music and other media. I am going to wait for an iPhone that has at least 20gb.

 

[tomandshell]

Forget about the phone features--I would love it just as a widescreen iPod with a touch screen interface.

But I'm going to wait a while before paying hundreds of dollars for an item with a tenth of the memory of the existing model--it's funny how they talk about syncing your iPhone to the music collection on your PC that has been compiled to fit on your 80 GB iPod.

I just hope they take the widescreen concept and new interface options and come out with a 6th gen iPod with a suitable amount of memory. I'd buy that.

 

[MaulFan]

I just hope they take the widescreen concept and new interface options and come out with a 6th gen iPod with a suitable amount of memory. I'd buy that.

Knowing Apple, I'd bet good money it is, but it'll be awhile before we see it. Even though this is a phone, they're still trying to market it as much to iPod owners as phone carriers, so they'll want the iPhone to makes it's claim of the MP3 player market before unleashing the next iPod. The one feature I like most about the iPhone is by having iTunes, you can have music for ringtones and instead of getting ripped off buying downloads you can take it right from your audio file library on your computer. Good news bad news, I have over a year left on my plan with Verizon, so the bugs should be worked out by the time contract renewal comes up and I can make the switch.

 

[The ill Jedi]

I will pick up one of these things when they get more than 8 gigs of memory.

Thank You!! I have 24 1/2 Gigs of music on my iPod, the iPhone can't even hold 1/3 of that! Apple could've put at least 20 Gigs on their for that price and I hope that the next couple of generations bring more memory and added features that it is still missing.

 

[Bardoon]

PASS!!!!

 

[Darklord Dave]

No one can design that Apple is tops when it comes to design and marketing. The iPod and now the iPhone have proved that.

But I need the 20G I have on my iPod and I don't think I'll get an iPhone until they can match that. (And can be used with a provider besides AT&T).

 

[cco805]

I love the product but hate the service. AT&T is probably the worst cell phone provider in the United States and Apple decides to go with them, seriously. I hope once AT&T's contract with Apple is up in 2009, it's not renewed otherwise, I may never get an iPhone. The phone itself could get better but I think those can be achieved through software updates and that's easy to do. The memory is a joke, especially for the price, since I have 60gb iPod and that's almost full. I'm sure within the year, iPhone 2.0 is going to come out with bigger memory and actually be able to handle third-party softwares without hacking.

 

[The Mike]

All right, I found this on another site complaining about the iPhone:

17 Reasons Why Apple’s iPhone Sucks


The Apple iPhone is about to hit the market in one of the most-hyped product releases in recent memory. Fanboys across America are getting ready to camp outside of their nearest iPhone sales location so that they can be the first in the nation to give Apple money for this product.

1. At $599, it is ridiculously expensive. (Add in the cost of an AT&T contract using minimal minutes and the monthly fee attributed to it and you get close to $1500) Not to mention that Cingular will not insure items with technology other than their own, they wouldn't for the Slvr with iTunes, the trend will most likely continue with the iPhone.

2. Those who want to buy one must sell their soul to evil mega-corporation AT&T. You must sign a 2 year contract in order to get the phone, no exceptions...

3. Japan already has technologically superior phones, and they're far cheaper.

4. Slower internet than the commercials show: "The data experience is going to be very slow. If you're on a cellular network, [using the Internet] is going to be very slow."

5. Initial reports indicate that YouTube is slow and crappy using cellular network internet. It's nothing like in the commercials.

6. You cannot remove its battery. Thanks for replicating one of the biggest complaints about the ipod, Apple!

7. The glass touch screen of the iPhone guarantees that thousands of customers who drop their phones will have cracked screens.

8. The touchscreen keyboard sucks, according to those who have used the phone. Early reports state that the buttons are too close together and you often press more than one key at a time or pressing them together will cause the phone to freeze

9. It can't send MMS picture messages.

10. It has no built-in sync with Outlook that is as secure as a RIM BlackBerry or Windows Mobile.

11. It lacks proper support for Flash websites. So much for the internet.

12. It can't record video.

13. No instant messaging.

14. It can't connect to corporate e-mail networks, so don't see it replacing your BlackBerry any time soon.

15. No songs as ringtones.

16. No GPS.

17. It creates incredibly annoying iPhone fanboys.


There are 16 viable reasons why this phone is underwhelming but instead of taking this journalist's word for it I was wondering if actual owners here can either confirm or deny these "facts" and whether or not they actually hinder the usage of the phone?