Avengers: Endgame

[jimcap]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Remember when we were all panicking over her EG involvement lol

Reduced....to....rubble.

It was a little funny that she was able to take out a huge ship so easily. But needed help getting passed some goons to get to the van.

 

[JAWS]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

They never brought up Hulk I guess JAWS and I need to let it go now.

Yeah.... Very few seem to care... Like I said... Nobody seems to like or care about Hulk

 

[medicomsucks]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

When cap returns the soul stone to vormir, he reunites with the red skull, he gives back the soul stone, does that bring back black widow? Did gamora 2014 turn to dust when Tony did the snap?

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Sooo...the global opening is 1.2 billion. Yup.

WB be like

 

[karamazov80]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

It VERY important to remember Dr Strange and his “one” scenario rule.

I think that implies that they had to do things this one way, not altering anything.


They could have gone back and changed a bunch of outcomes, BW death the most obvious, but them that “one” outcome would change and BAM no win situation.



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Regarding that, I'm curious why iron man had to use all the stones to eradicate Thanos's remaining army. First, the good guys were winning anyway, with their only hope being access to the gauntlet. Couldn't Tony just teleport himself away? Or use the power stone alone to wipe out Thanos et al.? Or freeze time for a minute?

Cost was damn high, with Tony killing himself. A charitable view might say he didn't have time to consider this, but... Tony Stark, smartest man on earth.

It was good narratively but doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

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[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Maybe Tony didn't think he would die. He's arrogant.

 

[ZE_501]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

I've had some more time to digest, almost 3 days since I watched it twice back-to-back lol) ...

I'm a grown man (doll collection notwithstanding) now and my suspension of disbelief isn't what it used to be. I'm also pretty sensitive to the cynical and disgusting cash-grabs perpetrated by corporations like Disney when they use spreadsheets and focus groups to calculate soulless product to choke the cluttered entertainment landscape via profit algorithms.

I get that an investment like Endgame is no different. And yet...I believe that sometimes products transcend themselves, and I believe Endgame did just that.

As I pointed out in an earlier post, I think sure it has flaws and I take issue with a few things, but sitting in that theatre while people around me laughed, cheered and cried, watching that spectacle, all I could think was that I hadn't felt anything like this since seeing Star Wars in the theatre as a small child.

There have been great, escapist moments since 1977 (or was it '78? I don't remember if I was 4 or closer to 5 when I saw it) ... E.T., The Goonies (!) -- Burton's Batman films, The Matrix, Jackson's LOTR ... but there was something very special about this that I think comes from 11 years of shared investment by fans and creators.

There was a pay-off here that exceeded my jaded, saturated expectations. The only real comparison I have for it in terms of scope and the full gamut of emotional pay-off is the Original Star Wars Trilogy. I leave LOTR out of it because although it had laughs, it wasn't a wise-cracking, snappy kind of humour that was as instantly relatable. (Speaking of which, I'm due for a LOTR re-watch, it's been years).

Out of the handful of issues I stated way earlier in this thread, none of which spoiled the film for me, the biggest one is probably:

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Hulk. I liked Banner's characterization in The Avengers, and feel he was steadily reduced to a caricature in every subsequent film. He got smoked in IW and we got no payback in the form of a classic Savage Hulk. Not even a moment of him wreaking absolute havoc on the battlefield. That's the one missed opportunity. I can even forgive Thor staying fat and under-powered after all he's been through, but if there was one thing I would change, it's this.

 

[ZE_501]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Regarding that, I'm curious why iron man had to use all the stones to eradicate Thanos's remaining army. First, the good guys were winning anyway, with their only hope being access to the gauntlet. Couldn't Tony just teleport himself away? Or use the power stone alone to wipe out Thanos et al.? Or freeze time for a minute?

Cost was damn high, with Tony killing himself. A charitable view might say he didn't have time to consider this, but... Tony Stark, smartest man on earth.

It was good narratively but doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

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Tony was traumatized by the events in A1 and obsessed with definitively ending the threat to Earth, and by this point, the universe. So he wiped them out. All of them.

 

[karamazov80]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

I guess they never fully explain why all the stones were even needed for Thanos's snap, but I assumed it was required due to the massive scale of things. With Tony, it was what? Maybe a couple thousand creatures? We saw a flashback in gotg where one stone destroyed an entire planet by an Eternal.

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[ZE_501]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

I guess they never fully explain why all the stones were even needed for Thanos's snap, but I assumed it was required due to the massive scale of things. With Tony, it was what? Maybe a couple thousand creatures? We saw a flashback in gotg where one stone destroyed an entire planet by an Eternal.

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Maybe that's an in-universe explanation for why he died instead of just vaporizing instantly.

 

[jimcap]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Yep the new face of the MCU went down like Ivan Drago (with his hairdo no less too, lol.)

yeah it was .....

 

[Sassafras]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Yeah.... Very few seem to care... Like I said... Nobody seems to like or care about Hulk

That may not be true...at least for me it's a lot to take in and process...

I highly doubt we will see anything more involving alternate realities and timelines from the MCU, this is the only time we will see this level of story involving alternate dimensions. The general movie going public is too stupid to follow that stuff. We tend to forgot we are the uber nerds willing to parse this out. If it gets to confusing most of the public will tune it out, they just do not care enough to think during a film.

Yep, I'm one've the ones too stupid to follow stuff, esp. with a loaded movie like this one. Like the first time I saw Matrix and was WTF for a while...

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And not a fan of time travel, ESP, dream sequences and all those other "easy way outs" unless it's really, really well done. Still need to turn this over in my brain. Am sure the time travel stuff is full of holes, but IMO less of a problem for me than other stuff. Wasn't wild about the "twin" Nebula thing either.

And bein' a lot to process - hadn't thought about the Hulk needing his moment same as Thor got his - but, yeah. I mean still thinking about Hulk in this film; not sure how I feel about it. Think Ruffalo did a good job, being a blended character. But my favorite Hulk portrayal is probably always gonna be Avengers 1 "that's my secret Cap. I'm always angry..." and then SMASHING.

E.g. Agree with folks sayin' this was a Cap/IM movie. Think Hawkeye, Antman, Rhodey got some real moments too. As usual don't know why any director - in this case the Russos - decide to change up from what fans might expect to see.

There's a lot here am not so happy about, or not sure about. There was some BS spoiler on Reddit that Vision was the first to return but he was all white - BS but I'd have liked to have seen that. Handling of Bucky, Falcon, Loki, not letting Hulk have his moment, what to me felt like some re-hash - Bucky and Loki especially incredibly irritated about, whether there is a TV series or not. Because it was in the films (outside the comics) their stories were being told. So that's *&^%. No payoff. UNSATISFYING.

But IMO there was so much good here too. I'll see it one last time today in theater. LOL least I ended up feelin' positive about the way CM was handled.

 

[Brett Banner]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

I highly doubt we will see anything more involving alternate realities and timelines from the MCU, this is the only time we will see this level of story involving alternate dimensions. The general movie going public is too stupid to follow that stuff. We tend to forgot we are the uber nerds willing to parse this out. If it gets to confusing most of the public will tune it out, they just do not care enough to think during a film.



Nope, all he had to so was stay out of it.
The photo Peggys desk implies he WAS alive and her husband all along, all of us assumed it was her pining away for a lost love, but who does that after year and years?



It VERY important to remember Dr Strange and his “one” scenario rule.

I think that implies that they had to do things this one way, not altering anything.


They could have gone back and changed a bunch of outcomes, BW death the most obvious, but them that “one” outcome would change and BAM no win situation.



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Big problem with that Peggy theory is that

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it’s completely unbelievable that Sharon at the very least of all people would not have known that Steve was married to Peggy, and thus making him her own uncle. Who she makes out with. I know she says in WS that her aunt Peggy kept a lot of secrets, but that’s a damn stretch for sure that she wouldn’t have known. Then the list of everyone like Fury, Howard Stark, etc. who would also have had to have no idea who the founder of SHIELD is married to. Just, it doesn’t work.

I think the point of the photo was just to remind Steve and the audience just how much Peggy really did love him as well, seeding the idea of staying in the past later on.

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[Sassafras]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

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Maybe that's an in-universe explanation for why he died instead of just vaporizing instantly.

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I thought it was the nano tech buying him just enough time *somehow* - just thinkin' - seems like the light with the particles being aware of? connected somehow? to his blood, brain, heart...

Kinda sucks that DS must've known Tony was gonna die; but guess that was foreshadowed too "because the fate of the universe depends on it..."

Are we done with spoiler tags?

Edit - whoops. Tags added. LOL still cheering myself for making it through quarantine and seeing film unspoiled. I did read a bunch of BS Reddit "leaks" some folks have excellent imaginations.

 

[MegaPrime33]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

A1 Hulk will always be the best Hulk. Even the new scenes of him in this movie are better than anything else.

 

[ZE_501]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

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I thought it was the nano tech buying him just enough time *somehow* - just thinkin' - seems like the light with the particles being aware of? connected somehow? to his blood, brain, heart...

Kinda sucks that DS must've known Tony was gonna die; but guess that was foreshadowed too "because the fate of the universe depends on it..."

Are we done with spoiler tags?

Crap. Missed that one. Edited original post, please do so with your quote!

 

[Sassafras]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Big problem with that Peggy theory is that

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it’s completely unbelievable that Sharon at the very least of all people would not have known that Steve was married to Peggy, and thus making him her own uncle. Who she makes out with. I know she says in WS that her aunt Peggy kept a lot of secrets, but that’s a damn stretch for sure that she wouldn’t have known. Then the list of everyone like Fury, Howard Stark, etc. who would also have had to have no idea who the founder of SHIELD is married to. Just, it doesn’t work.

I think the point of the photo was just to remind Steve and the audience just how much Peggy really did love him as well, seeding the idea of staying in the past later on.

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But:

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If DS could travel forward in time, then there are millions of possible outcomes. Or maybe alternate realities. I *guess* the idea was that Steve actually lived an alternate reality, but traveled forward in time and re-entered the "real" reality in the present where nothing had changed, except he came back old and with the ORIGINAL vibranium shield (far as I recall it was the ORIGINAL shield that got scratched and dropped in CW, because Tony says he made Cap a shield and there was mention of a prototype in Homecoming) - because it looked like a leather case; don't remember seeing that before. That way the original time flow that The Ancient One talked about wasn't changed that much.

Movies never mention the scratched, dropped shield which had to have ended up somewhere, like IJ Ark ending up in a warehouse. So Cap quietly stole his own shield before it got scratched - someplace back in time - and gave it to Falcon in the present? Er.

 

[The Buffinator]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

The Russos told Feige "nope CM has no place in our movie" until her flick passed a billion and then they said "fine we'll add a couple minutes of her flying through a ship before being punched into the rubble," lol.

Remember when we were all panicking over her EG involvement lol

Reduced....to....rubble.

Yep the new face of the MCU went down like Ivan Drago (with his hairdo no less too, lol.)

And just like Rocky IV everyone was rooting for the Avengers until he punched her then everyone started chanting "Thanos, Thanos, Thanos," lol. I kid, I still don't hate her but I'm glad she didn't upstage the original Avengers. It just wouldn't have been her place to.

I know you're just having a bit of fun at CM's expense, but relatively speaking, she DID upstage the Hulk from a fighting perspective. Thanos beat Hulk senseless without using any infinity stones in IW, yet his punches didn't phase her in the slightest UNTIL he resorted to using the power stone. And in the context of their origins it makes sense for both her and SW to be the most successful against him one-on-one, given that their powers are each derived from one of the stones.

It was a little funny that she was able to take out a huge ship so easily. But needed help getting passed some goons to get to the van.

My son was like "Get the hell out of her way - can't you tell she doesn't need any help?". It was a fairly cool "girl power" moment, but it was definitely gratuitous. I viewed it as Feige's way of saying "You're not getting your female superhero tag team movie, but I'll give you this".

 

[jedibear]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

So, minutes away from seeing this for myself after reading all the back and forth in here.

Creaky old theater with flat floor seats and decent enough picture and sound. Only showing around here that works with my work schedule. Here goes... back with my two cents later....

 

[Craig Walker]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

The Russos told Feige "nope CM has no place in our movie" until her flick passed a billion and then they said "fine we'll add a couple minutes of her flying through a ship before being punched into the rubble," lol.

SO thankful.


Her and Valkyrie can ride off in to the sunset together in her next movie.