Avengers: Endgame

[jye4ever]

jye and a-dev

JL even somehow managed to do a more embarrassing "chicks race an artifact across a battlefield to keep it away from the main bad guy" scene, lol.

Funny how TLJ and EG gave us bum looking versions of their hero.


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[Khev]

Are you happy now...there.

Oh and here are the upcoming DC films...

...there you go. Happy now.

Funny how TLJ and EG gave us bum looking versions of their hero.

Rey could have saved so much time by simply telling Luke that there's green milk on the Falcon, lol.

 

[jye4ever]

Russo’s said they will forever cherish being in a theater opening night and witnessing an audience reacting as if they were at a rock concert.

Another difference between EG and Avatar.


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[Khev]

Cameron said he'll forever cherish watching Avatar opening night and when Jake's ship came into frame in 3D someone said "Neat!"

 

[jye4ever]

Cameron said he'll forever cherish watching Avatar opening night and when Jake's ship came into frame in 3D someone said "Neat!"

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[Sweet Rabbit]

 

[jye4ever]

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[a-dev]

Well Cap wasn't a SR stalker loser so that question is moot, lol.



Well since we were watching the timeline that did turn out to be the "1 in 14 million" then yes they were always destined to win. I guess you could say that Cap's time travel back to Peggy was an indication that they were always going to win but since we never realized that that even occurred until EG it was never a foregone conclusion for us the audience or Strange who never knew that the timeline he had grown up in featured two Captain Americas in his past.

Also since Steve only went back to Peggy after they beat Thanos and he didn't create an alternate timeline by marrying her then the "1 in 14 million" would have still been the one whether Cap went back or not. Meaning there could have been an original timeline that Cap tweaked but didn't create enough of a ripple to A. make an alternate timeline or B. screw up the 1 in 14 million (thank God for him, lol.)

However just as an FYI the writers and Russos have different takes on what Cap did. Writers say they always envisioned Peggy's kids being his but Joe Russo said in his mind Cap created an alternate timeline and then somehow crossed back into the first timeline to give the shield to Sam. So you can take whichever interpretation you prefer.

Strange's abilities are hard to pin down - I'm kinda wondering if he can look into the futures of all these alternate realities why wouldn't he be able to see the circumstances leading to there being 2 Steve Rogers Captain Americas in his own timeline? Did he not see that because he only looked as far as the actual defeat of Thanos and not what would happen shortly thereafter? I suppose that must be it. 2 Steves in one timeline wasn't actually a factor in enabling the victory so he wasn't shown it?

As far as the difference between what the writers are saying and what the Russos are saying I might be inclined to go with whichever one coincides better with Endgames rules of time travel...but I'm having trouble figuring that out. Sheer head ****ery.

 

[a-dev]

That rat though. Hilarious that everything hinged on that piece of happenstance. They have to reference that in the Doctor Strange sequel.

 

[Khev]

Strange's abilities are hard to pin down - I'm kinda wondering if he can look into the futures of all these alternate realities why wouldn't he be able to see the circumstances leading to there being 2 Steve Rogers Captain Americas in his own timeline? Did he not see that because he only looked as far as the actual defeat of Thanos and not what would happen shortly thereafter? I suppose that must be it. 2 Steves in one timeline wasn't actually a factor in enabling the victory so he wasn't shown it?

That was how I took it. That basically Strange was doing the MCU version of the computer trying to win Tic Tac Toe at the end of War Games. The computer didn't care how the players arrived at that moment or what they'd do after or how many people existed in the world or whether there were two Matthew Brodericks, it simply replayed the game with the pieces on the board thousands or millions of times in an attempt to explore all outcomes. I saw Strange as just playing out all the scenarios starting with his exact point in the present and fast forwarding through all the outcomes with their conflict with Thanos until he found one where 1. The universe survives and 2. Thanos dies.

As far as the difference between what the writers are saying and what the Russos are saying I might be inclined to go with whichever one coincides better with Endgames rules of time travel...but I'm having trouble figuring that out. Sheer head ****ery.

We also don't know the order that Cap returned the stones. Adding to the head ****ery is the realization that the Time Stone itself has its own rules separate from the Quantum Time Machine that the Avengers built. Remember Thanos "rewound" Vision's death while *the rest of time around Vision* kept moving forward. No Thanos going back 30 seconds and seeing his alternate self, no Wanda forgetting that she just killed Vision. Instead she actually watched Vision's death get reversed while she stayed with Thanos in the "present." With the Time Stone itself rules can *really* be broken.

So what if Cap returned all the stones *except* the Time Stone, kept it in his pocket (or wherever) for 70 years (so that he wasn't creating a new timeline with Peggy and their kids since we know that the Time Stone allows a "bubble" of reversal that doesn't affect the rest of the world) and then didn't actually give it back to The Ancient One until he was an old man in 2012? Then four years later Peggy dies and he lays low until 2023. Hell "old" Cap could have even gotten dusted between 2018 and 2023!

 

[a-dev]

We also don't know the order that Cap returned the stones. Adding to the head ****ery is the realization that the Time Stone itself has its own rules separate from the Quantum Time Machine that the Avengers built. Remember Thanos "rewound" Vision's death while *the rest of time around Vision* kept moving forward. No Thanos going back 30 seconds and seeing his alternate self, no Wanda forgetting that she just killed Vision. Instead she actually watched Vision's death get reversed while she stayed with Thanos in the "present." With the Time Stone itself rules can *really* be broken.

So what if Cap returned all the stones *except* the Time Stone, kept it in his pocket (or wherever) for 70 years (so that he wasn't creating a new timeline with Peggy and their kids since we know that the Time Stone allows a "bubble" of reversal that doesn't affect the rest of the world) and then didn't actually give it back to The Ancient One until he was an old man in 2012? Then four years later Peggy dies and he lays low until 2023. Hell "old" Cap could have even gotten dusted between 2018 and 2023!

 

[Khev]

I know right, lol.

 

[a-dev]

I know right, lol.

It just goes to show that if you're bringing time travel in you better have a lot of fan-faith built up and you better have a film on your hands that plays so well that people will just shrug their shoulders and grin at these kind of questions.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Cameron said he'll forever cherish watching Avatar opening night and when Jake's ship came into frame in 3D someone said "Neat!"

Ahhhh.... cherished memories of a film no one talks about anymore... but Cameron.


I wonder if during Star Wars opening night if someone said "neat" when the Stardestroyer flew overhead and blew our minds?

 

[The Buffinator]

According to this video it's been confirmed that Old Man Cap had been there all along, he and Peggy were married and had those kids.

But...but....what if post-freeze Cap had decided to do some Superman Returns-esque stalking of Peggy to find out who she ended up with? And if her husband was always the 2023 Cap who had traveled back in time doesn't that mean the Infinity War/Endgame was always going to end the way it did so how the hell was Dr. Strange seeing all these other 99.9% of outcomes where they lose? Surely none of them could have happened because 2023 Steve Rogers had always been there in the-

That old guy at the left rear of her coffin has his hair parted on the opposite side vs. old man Steve's, so that's not him. If they're saying he's somewhere else in the church, that's another story. Personally, I wish these writers would just stop talking, as it's evident that they're just speculating like the rest of us. If it wasn't committed to film, it's not canon.

 

[hbhf]

The old Steve reveal was them tossing a hand grenade and running out of the room when it went off. They should just leave it to speculation at this point, lol.

 

[Khev]

That old guy at the left rear of her coffin has his hair parted on the opposite side vs. old man Steve's, so that's not him.

Except that Evans doesn't have the exact same hairdo in any of the Cap films so who's to say that he couldn't have combed it that way for Peggy's funeral.

One thing I couldn't help but feel after recently watching Thor 1 again was what a bummer it was that Thor's final scene with Valkyrie wasn't with Lady Sif instead. It would have been really cool to see him reflecting on his life and legacy with someone who'd been there from the beginning. She was even present for his original "almost" coronation way back in 2011. Him handing her the crown after all of their adventures would have had more resonance than him giving it to the drunk deserter who briefly helped him fight one single battle IMO.

I know that Alexander simply couldn't participate in Ragnarok due to her locked in schedule for Blindspot and that they had no choice but its still a bummer, especially if you binge the Thor flicks prior to EG. Her absence is quite noticeable. It would have been fun to watch Sif in the final battle too or have her riding the Pegasus with Spidey. Seeing him teaming up with yet another MCU OGer would have been awesome. Again, not much point in harping on "if only", especially for such a near perfect finale where they really didn't have a choice anyway.

 

[jye4ever]

Except that Evans doesn't have the exact same hairdo in any of the Cap films so who's to say that he couldn't have combed it that way for Peggy's funeral.

One thing I couldn't help but feel after recently watching Thor 1 again was what a bummer it was that Thor's final scene with Valkyrie wasn't with Lady Sif instead. It would have been really cool to see him reflecting on his life and legacy with someone who'd been there from the beginning. She was even present for his original "almost" coronation way back in 2011. Him handing her the crown after all of their adventures would have had more resonance than him giving it to the drunk deserter who briefly helped him fight one single battle IMO.

I know that Alexander simply couldn't participate in Ragnarok due to her locked in schedule for Blindspot and that they had no choice but its still a bummer, especially if you binge the Thor flicks prior to EG. Her absence is quite noticeable. It would have been fun to watch Sif in the final battle too or have her riding the Pegasus with Spidey. Seeing him teaming up with yet another MCU OGer would have been awesome. Again, not much point in harping on "if only", especially for such a near perfect finale where they really didn't have a choice anyway.

I would’ve preferred Sif over Valkyrie as well but since it wasn’t contractually possible (they tried) I think Valkyrie was a good 2nd choice just because she was so freaking hot in Thor 3 lol


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[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Except that Evans doesn't have the exact same wig in any of the Cap films .

 

[The Buffinator]

Except that Evans doesn't have the exact same hairdo in any of the Cap films so who's to say that he couldn't have combed it that way for Peggy's funeral.

Come on, this is Captain America we're talking about. Do you really think he's going to experiment with his hairstyle when he's about 100 years old? He's going to part his hair in the same damn place he's parted it his entire life. And with Peggy being dead, he'd be in the NFG zone with respect to maintaining any kind of cover story regarding who he actually was - i.e., he's not going to part it on the other side to disguise his appearance.