AVP:Requiem - SPOILER THREAD

[Jamal]

Im just gonna wonder when FOX will hire a director with a good track record to produce anything Pred/Alien

Brothers Strause were like FX designers before and this is their first movie?

BARF?

 

[BadMoon]

I think you're just missing what I'm getting at though. I am not saying Aliens or Terminator or Predator were or ever could be oscar films. In the giant body of films that are Hollywood, they're just mindless thrill flicks mainly geared at young men.

I will agree with this part.

 

[Ktjn]

next thing you know, they'll found a way to tie the Terminator franchise to those..

Ha Ha so true. it could be said the terminators were created to handle the alien infestation.

The acting, and camera work was horrendous, almost...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJkUMYvbV5E&feature=related

bad. Almost

 

[MaulFan]

Im just gonna wonder when FOX will hire a director with a good track record to produce anything Pred/Alien

Brothers Strause were like FX designers before and this is their first movie?

BARF?

That's why I feel like these movies fall short not because of intent but lack of effort. FOX puts the lowest crew behind these films. I still shake my head at why they bother making them if they don't want to give quality resources to production.

 

[Jamal]

God knows why, its like the heavyweight sci fi battle of all time man

 

[MaulFan]

God knows why, its like the heavyweight sci fi battle of all time man

I'm tellin ya, I know how people feel about him, but if Michael Bay directed these films would live up to their potential. His films aren't great and I agree with some criticisms of him, but the characters are still enjoyable to watch even in a film like Transformers. Brothers Strausse were too caught up in being fanboys and finally getting a shot. They have potential but this is like a film school project and they have a ways to go to develop into good directors.

 

[Jamal]

I dunno why peopled ridiculed Transformers, that was easily one of the best films of this year for me.

 

[MaulFan]

I dunno why peopled ridiculed Transformers, that was easily one of the best films of this year for me.

Well understandably so, Bay's a horny dude, much as I thoroughly enjoyed Megan Fox and the other ladies, it just wasn't necessary and I think doing stuff like that in most of his films just gives him a bad rap. If they released Transformers without saying it was Michael Bay, I bet half the bad talk wouldn't have happened. He's made and impression on people and it's the forethought for some when looking at his pictures. I loved Transformers, it was a great ride and like I said, I was pulled into what was going on, the humans drew you in, even if some of them were stereotypes personified, and I think he'd be great for AVP, just give a great ride where **** is blown up and great fights happen.

 

[Jamal]

No director would be good for AVP except for some one with previous directing in the Alien/Predator world

Time to cut the bull**** and get the credible people in IMO

 

[MaulFan]

I don't think you need a director with history in these films, all you need is good writers to lay the right foundation. Hell, even if he wouldn't direct again, pay Cameron for a screenplay.

 

[Jamal]

I read over at Alienexperience.com that Ridley Scott said he wished fox would have approached him to do AVP instead of Anderson. Thats easy to say once the fiasco is all said and done.

 

[MaulFan]

I read over at Alienexperience.com that Ridley Scott said he wished fox would have approached him to do AVP instead of Anderson. Thats easy to say once the fiasco is all said and done.

Well, in a way, I'm sure Ridley sees the Alien series as his child growing up since he helped give birth to it all, and probably looks at the latest films as a child gone wrong and wants to step in like a parent and set it straight. Given his body of work lately, I'm sure he might want to revisit sci-fi as a genre too.

 

[Jamal]

Well his film American Gangster is being rated as the new Godfather.

IT MUST BE GOOD THEN.

 

[MaulFan]

Well his film American Gangster is being rated as the new Godfather.

IT MUST BE GOOD THEN.

Oh he's a great director. I haven't seen that one yet but I want to, of course Denzel is in my opinion one of the best actors around right now, and Russel Crowe CAN be a fine actor as well. Scott directed Gladiator and I thought it was great. Even though the story wasn't my favorite, what he did with Hannibal was very good too.

 

[Jamal]

Denzel i was one of my favorite actors man.

Training Day is frikken gold!

 

[MaulFan]

I had a hard time with that movie for awhile. Not cuz it's bad, but I'd gotten so used to Denzel as the good guy, it was like shell shock to see him as a bad guy, especially cuz he played it very well. I think Ethan Hawke's pretty underrated too.

 

[JAWS]

It would be GREAT if the AVP series would get a great director. However don't forget the R. Scott was not really anybody when he made ALIEN He only had the film, The Duelist, under his belt. James Cameron had The Terminator (great) and Pirana 2 the spawning (BAD). ALIEN 3 was Fincher's first film. John McTiernan had only done Nomads before Predator and Stephen Hopkins had only done 2 films before Predator 2. One of those films being the really bad Nightmare on Elm St. 5 The Dream Child.


So it's not like these films have had a history of Getting Great NAME directors. They all became something after the Alien/Predator films, with Exceptions going to Cameron (had one great low budget film under his belt) and Hopkins (Has never really done anything great). My point is they tend to take risks with the directors for these films.


Now Bad Moon has been making a point that I have read a few time before. Stating that the love of these films come from the fact that we saw them as children.

I have to dissagree. A Great film is a great film. I did not see The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly until I was 22 years of age and it was a GREAT film. Had I seen it when I was 12 would that only make it a great film because I loved it as a child?

Alien and Aliens are CLASSICS. always have been and always will be. Predator is a good film with a great monster. If released today I would still find it to be a great popcorn flick. JAWS, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Star Wars, The Godfather films, all films I saw as a child or young adult and all are still classics. As I said before a great film is a great film.

An argument could be made that my love for Star Wars is due in part to the age I saw them. Had I seen them today I may not be the super fan that I am. As all the toys and such helped shape my childhood memories. However the first time I saw Star Wars I was only five years old and I did not like it. For whatever reason it bored me but I did like the characters and all the aliens and such. I saw the other two films and loved them. but did not see the original again until I was a teen when it was finally shown on Showtime. Well I LOVED it!! Point being that this film being a classic had nothing to do with my childhood.

I find that AVP crapped all over the two franchises. AVPR while far from a perfect film tried at least to be true to the films before it. Oh well. Hope AVP3 gets it right.

Bad Moon this is not an attack on your statements. Just venting some thoughts of mine because I have read the same type statements elsewhere.

 

[JAWS]

I don't think you need a director with history in these films, all you need is good writers to lay the right foundation. Hell, even if he wouldn't direct again, pay Cameron for a screenplay.

I agree with that 100%. A great script is so important.

 

[MaulFan]

I find that AVP crapped all over the two franchises. AVPR while far from a perfect film tried at least to be true to the films before it. Oh well. Hope AVP3 gets it right..

AVPR was definitely a "heart in the right place" film. You can tell they loved the classics as much as us, but they took it to far in mirroring so much of those films instead of creating fresh material that fed off of those classic things. We don't need another tough chick with a child at her side, been there done that. Take the core of Ellen Ripley and give that persona to someone else, but don't copy Ripley. It was great seeing the Predator come out of the water and decloak in front of Dutch in Predator, we don't need another water reveal shot. I have more hope that the AVP we all hope to see is possible after AVPR, but it's still a hefty journey I feel from gushy fanboys to creative filmmakers. Cameron admired Scott as a director when he did Aliens, he admired Alien for the execution as a film, but I think some of these new directors admire them for the same reasons most viewers do and don't pick up on the technique and production of the films. I almost think Sci-Fi is a lost genre today and directors just aren't coming up that have the ability to work with that genre. Most of the movies out today are horror, thriller, action adventure and comedy. I'd wager sci-fi at a 1:15 ratio to other genres.

 

[Rob]

What I'm getting at is if you take the body of Alien 1-4, P 1-2 and AVP 1-2, Alien, Aliens, Predator and Predator 2 are top not films within this body, and A3-AVPR lost what was really good about the first few films. I'm not looking for Oscar films, I'm looking for films that are AS good as their earlier predecessors, that's all.

Actually, Alien 3(The Assembly Cut) is pretty good film! My favorite, actually. But yeah, Alien 1-3 and Predator 1-2 are the best! Thank god I grew up watching those films, otherwise now, as a teenager, I'd be saying 'No wai! Teh AVP is uber!!11!' .

Unfortunately, we'll never get great movies like those back unless Hollywood turns itself around and goes back to the time where movies were made for entertainment, not for money.

BTW I heard on AVPGalaxy's forums that if AVP-R was successful at the BO, we'd get an AVP 3 set in space directed by the two guys who made this one. I can't lay all the blame with the Bros., I mean, if look around, originally Fox wanted the Predalien to use Predator technology and the reason we didn't see that(Thank Christ we didn't)was because the Bros. persuaded them not to. Just goes to show you how screwed up Fox really is....