Bane vs Loki

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Joker was better than both of them anyway.

Magneto, Zod & Doc Ock too.

 

[Frank]

because there is a book telling you he doesn't.

But we didn't know there'd be the ambiguosly gay bed scene at the end.

 

[CelticPredator]

Sure.

But there probably, (unless WB goes retarded...which they have, but i'm giving them the benefit of the doubt) will never be a sequel to Nolan's Batman.

So he could've done anything with the character. Anything. It was his character for this run.

So it was unknown. You can keep arguing, but it worked for most people. The only point I was trying to make, and it even goes with your hatrid of the film....was that the only reason people cared about Batman's safety in that movie, was because it was billed as "The last".

Anything could happen. Iron Man 3, Iron Man will survive. Because there is going to be an Avengers 2. Bilbo Baggins will survive because he exists in another trilogy. (and the book dictates this).

 

[a-dev]

That scene was meant to have weight to it, the audience were supposed to believe he wouldn't live thus making it a powerful scene.

It fell completely flat as everyone knew Iron Man 3 was coming the next year.
In fact all the main characters were safe from harm as there was already movies of them underway, the only one they could kill was the useless SHIELD agent

And even he apparently isn't dead if I've understood right about this SHIELD tv series

Joss Whedon does kill prominent (but non-core) characters in his own shows/films, however he's really fairly powerless to kill anyone in the Avengers-verse. No one is allowed to be killed

 

[CelticPredator]

Killing Coulson gutted me so hard.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

And even he apparently isn't dead if I've understood right about this SHIELD tv series

Joss Whedon does kill prominent (but non-core) characters in his own shows/films, however he's really fairly powerless to kill anyone in the Avengers-verse. No one is allowed to be killed

And you don't really want them killed (X-Men 3) but the idea that they could die give more gravitas to the scenes where they are in danger

 

[RIDDICK]

Bane is better because he's darker. Eh. Ehh....

He's also a GROWN MAN. Yep... ummm...

 

[Njits]

Do you know what makes a good villain? A villain you can not only relate too, but completely understand why he's doing what he's doing. You may not agree...but you know he's not entirely wrong. And then he does something. Something that shifts your perspective. Something that makes you go "No!"

That's what Loki did. You understood him in Thor, and you hated him in The Avengers. How many villains have come out in recent days that have gotten an APPLAUSE when he was taken out? Not many. Because most villains today are pretty week. You don't have that cathartic moment of triumph over evil, or wrong doers.


Loki had all of that. Loki wins. Easily.

I couldn't relate to Loki at all, he was quite bland to be honest. "I'M EVIL!! BOW BEFORE ME! HAR HAR!" kind of thing went old quick for me. I actually had a theater that laughed when he got smashed by Hulk because it was so funny and hilarious.

 

[Njits]

What made Bane interesting? How was Loki any more generic than Bane?

Chilling? I guess if you're easily intimidated by a mumbling pip squeak.

Yes, see I'm not hearing impaired like you.


Loki was just this guy that was kind of a ****, there wasn't a whole lot to go on with him. His motivations were bland and uninspired.
Loki didn't subjugate any city but he did bring an Alien armada to try. A minor but loved character got killed. He got the heroes to bicker and brawl with each other. Bane subjugated a city for several months. Broke the bat. Killed the mayor. Both teams of heroes won by threading the needle. The scales of the threats were different, but relative to the heroes for each movie, they were pretty even. But I'd say Bane caused more devastation to team Batman than Loki caused to the Avengers. Plus all this henchmen talk irks me when Loki was basically the same to the alien guys. Although, as mentioned, both were pawns to a bigger villain, Bane felt more like the head villain. Throughout Avengers we knew Loki was working for a then, unknown Thanos, and if we forgot, we had a lovely reminder by Thanos' lackey threatening Loki. Bane felt in control the entire time, And while I had a hint thanks to the internet (jerks) that Talia was behind him, it didn't take away from the fact that he was doing all the hard work, planning, and manipulation from the shadows.

It's Bane. He seemed like an actual villain/psychopath and physically looked the part as well. Loki seemed like a condescending, wimpy, nerd at a cos-play convention.

 

[CelticPredator]

I couldn't relate to Loki at all, he was quite bland to be honest. "I'M EVIL!! BOW BEFORE ME! HAR HAR!" kind of thing went old quick for me. I actually had a theater that laughed when he got smashed by Hulk because it was so funny and hilarious.

Except that wasn't who his character is. That's what his character became.

 

[ironwez20]

He did mumble it wasn't epic it was silly.

 

[crows]

I couldn't relate to Loki at all, he was quite bland to be honest. "I'M EVIL!! BOW BEFORE ME! HAR HAR!" kind of thing went old quick for me. I actually had a theater that laughed when he got smashed by Hulk because it was so funny and hilarious.

Yes, see I'm not hearing impaired like you.


Loki was just this guy that was kind of a ****, there wasn't a whole lot to go on with him. His motivations were bland and uninspired.

 

[CelticPredator]

Also, everyone in the world laughed when Loki got smashed. Everyone. It was a universally accepted "best moment in cinema for 2012".

 

[EVILFACE]

Did someone actually bring up Lizard?????? He was nothing but a Movie Green Goblin clone.

 

[Morbach]

But there was a chance. And that chance gave it some weight.

I agree with you on this.

I saw Nolan, Bale and Oldman all say that The Dark Knight was so dark they didn't think they'd ever get work again. So after hearing that I knew TDKR would be even darker and that Nolan could kill Batman. Still now that the series is over I'd still bet that Nolan would kill Batman before Whedon or anyone else killed off Iron Man or another of the Avengers gang.

It was even rumored that Nolan was going to kill Batman so that way WB couldn't make a sequel against his wishes. So yeah, I felt Batman dying had a lot more weight to it that other comic movie threats.

 

[Batty]

 

[Njits]

Except that wasn't who his character is. That's what his character became.

And what a character development that was...which actually happened outside of the Avengers. Bane didn't have two movies he got one, but he's still a better developed character none the less.

"Also, everyone in the world laughed when Loki got smashed. Everyone. It was a universally accepted "best moment in cinema for 2012".

 

[crows]

And what a character development that was...which actually happened outside of the Avengers. Bane didn't have two movies he got one, but he's still a better developed character none the less.

what is your signature from?

 

[Njits]

what is your signature from?

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New Daft Punk album!

 

[Nitro]

Dark Knight Rises was fine for what it was. It had too big of a shadow to follow up The Dark Knight. Tom Hardy did a great job as Bane. It was a role that I snickered at when I heard that it was going to be the 3rd movies primary villain (I thought for sure it would've been the Penguin or Riddler). I couldn't look past Joel Schumacher's version of Bane in Batman & Robin at that time.

After watching Dark Knight Rises and Avengers, as much as I liked Hardy as Bane....Tom Hiddleston knocked it out of the park as Loki. My vote goes to Loki.