Bane vs Loki

[CelticPredator]

Hey, Wez. Yeah. Shut the **** up. Blackmast too. I can't believe I let you slide for that. Silly me.

 

[DiFabio]

When people pander to people who don't understand films, then I have nothing but contempt for them.

What people are not understanding the films?


I'm looking at the comments for the Jurassic Park video right now and I don't see anyone taking it seriously. I don't see any "RIGHT ON", "man, this movie was awful", there's absolutely none of that. I bet most of the people that requested it LOVE Jurassic Park.

It's all for fun. There vids aren't the first 007 or Jurassic Park parodies I've seen and they won't be the last.


And besides, what one person thinks is a masterpiece could be garbage to someone else. You seem to think film is some high art, something more than entertainment. That's fine. But, well, art is subjective. Everyone has different tastes and different perspectives.


Now you're entitled to think these parodies are garbage, but I don't see why you let them bother you so much. You make it seem like they're doing this grave injustice to film, like, "how DARE they include this movie in their fun". Have you made a movie yet? I'd hate to see your reaction to harsh criticisms or harmless parody, especially if you went in with good intentions (which most filmmakers and entertainers most certainly do). It's tough.

You seem to think they should only make vids of "bad movies". Well, what constitutes as a "bad movie". One that's not well liked universally? That could be different for everyone. You can only say, "OMG, Phantom Menace sucks" or, "Transformers sucks" or, "Batman and Robin sucks", "Twilight sucks", so many times in so many different, entertaining ways. It makes sense that they'd make it more broad to really good films too. It's called "Honest Trailers" not, "Honest trailers of 'bad' movies".





I'm not picking at ya, we love similar films. I'm just baffled why you take what they do so close to heart. They're harmless. I'm sure you've chuckled at some of their videos, or atleast some parts of them. I know you agreed with most of the ASM.

 

[crows]

Hey, Wez. Yeah. Shut the **** up. Blackmast too. I can't believe I let you slide for that. Silly me.

celticpoo don't take it so personal. no one is even attacking you right now. snoop101 post was just funny lol that's all.

You say that Honest trailers are awful because they nitpick, but the average Half in the Bag review is like close to one hour. If there is someone that nitpicks movies to death, sometimes is the RLM guys. But they are funny, so who cares.

 

[CelticPredator]

Stuff and thangs

I'll keep this super simple. This is why it bothers me. It's not a video made by someone with an opinion. It's someone pandering to people with misguided opinions.

And I don't think anyone should make that a priority. It's why I hate a certain news network.

But regardless, it's more about the message it brings. People take that, and use it to explain why a film is bad. And I guess, as someone who appreciates film, I find that to be really, really disheartening. Because mistakes, and lack of total realism do not make a film bad. And that is what the trailers are trying to say. Because those little blurbs at the beginning really tell all.

You hate TDKR more then anyone here, and I hate to bring this **** up again. I'm not going to get you to like it, and you're not going to get me to like this. I'll always hate it, forever and ever because it goes against everything I stand for in terms of film.

Sounds overly dramatic for movies...eh? Well..it is. Films are very important to me. Not quite as important as family, but preeeeeetttty high up there. So you'll just have to accept that.

 

[CelticPredator]

celticpoo don't take it so personal. no one is even attacking you right now. snoop101 post was just funny lol that's all.

You say that Honest trailers are awful because they nitpick, but the average Half in the Bag review is like close to one hour. If there is someone that nitpicks movies to death, sometimes is the RLM guys. But they are funny, so who cares.

I'm not. I just know how you work, and I need to shoot you down every time you do it.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

The honest trailer ones just look like a bit of fun. Sure they call out some stupid parts of movies but it's not to tear it apart or be negative, the guy's voice is fantastic

 

[DiFabio]

Celtic, did you watch their Indiana Jones 4 Honest trailer?

They said something along the lines of, "jeez this is from the same guy that made Jurassic Park 15 years ago".


They're clearly not using these videos to "pander" people with misguided opinions. They're not doing to trash on them either. You know they most likely made it because of the whole, "3D" phase that's going on now. Something everyone seems to rip. Those blurbs you speak of? I simply see a lot of "DO JURASSIC PARK 3D", nothing more. They even throw quite a few positive remarks in there too like, "the CGI holds up better than most modern films".


I'm not even trying to get you to like this either. Why would I do that. I'm not even completely fond of them myself. They're just youtube videos. I'm just not sure why it's so grating to you, especially when months back you seemed to enjoy them. You just act so annoyed. You respect film, you love movies? So do I. But they're not ultra serious business. The second you treat them as these untouchable, pure things that are above you, above others and above criticism is the second people will pounce on them. Justified reasoning or not. That's just how it is, especially now with message boards and social networks.


Everything is "epic" and everything sucks now. You know that. That's the mentality.

 

[crows]

You respect film, you love movies? So do I. But they're not ultra serious business. The second you treat them as these untouchable, pure things that are above criticism is the second people will pounce on them. Justified reasoning or not. That's just how it is, especially now with message boards and social networks.


Everything is epic and everything sucks now.

the thing is, Celticpee will respect a movie as long as he likes it. If he didn't like it he will shred it to pieces. Won't matter if the movie has good stuff in it or not.
The difference is that they are doing it for humor. Celticpee just really hates some movies a lot of people love. and he won't care why people love them. so I don't get it.

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

the thing is, Celticpee will respect a movie as long as he likes it. If he didn't like it he will shred it to pieces. Won't matter if the movie has good stuff in it or not. Celticpee just really hates some movies a lot of people love. and he won't care why people love them.

 

[Frank]

Yes they are. They take themselves 100% seriously.

You know how I know that? Because they pander to people who hate the film.

By the way, RLM doesn't like them much either. And they were on one of them. They went in with good intentions. Picking on Transformers, Avatar, and that crap. But once they started going after well respected films? No. **** that. You go after films that deserve it. Not Jurassic Park.

Skyfall ain't Schindler's List, who cares if anyone's laughing at it. It's a decent Bond film, but does it have to be perfect?


Anyway, back to Loki being Thanos' *****... isn't everyone his *****? Now if Nolan somehow managed to transcend his boring tendencies and pumped Bane up to something resembling his comic book form, I'd take Bane over Loki easily. Though as we've seen Loki toss Cap around like a chump, I don't think this Bane would stand much of a chance. On the emo level Bane takes the cake with that puppy love garbage with Talia.

 

[jye4ever]

Haven't had this much fun reading a thread in a long while, at least for a few hours.

Bane and Loki should merge into Banki.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Against villains like Vader, Terminator, Humungus, Hans Gruber, even Agent Smith... Bane AND Loki are pretty far down the pole.

But between the two, I like Loki best because at least he didn't SUCK like Bane did in all aspects.

 

[DiFabio]

You mean poll.


Agreed.

 

[jye4ever]

 

[DiFabio]

Bane and Loki should merge into Banki.

Sounds like a massage that leads to a happy ending that you'd tip 20 bucks for.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Bane confused me; I didn't understand his plot or how he could really orchestrate it, I didn't understand his wardrobe, I didn't understand where he kept the gas canisters that were feeding his mask, I didn't understand why he made such a cumbersome mask, I didn't understand what he was saying half the time.

But more than all that, I didn't understand why ALL the cops in Gotham went into the sewers, Mr. Nolan.

 

[Sachiel]

You all just voted for Loki because Loki told you to vote for Loki.

You've all been Loki'd.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Loki was excellent... In THOR

 

[Wor-Gar]

Do you know what makes a good villain? A villain you can not only relate too, but completely understand why he's doing what he's doing. You may not agree...but you know he's not entirely wrong. And then he does something. Something that shifts your perspective. Something that makes you go "No!"

This is a very interesting analysis. I quickly applied it to my vast library of villains. It often is true... but not always.

Like Vader -- Vader from "Star Wars ANH" only. He was just a bad azz with a great costume and very little development. No one would say they understood why the heck Vader was bad in the first movie, but he looked and sounded great doing it, so we went with it. Obviously he was developed to death later... but at first he is probably the biggest exception.

Of course, so was Ledger's Joker, whoever he was. And Hans Gruber, did he just want to "lay on a beach earning 20%"? And Agent Smith. Oh, and most of the old Bond villains... hey, wait a minute...



Sometimes a villain just isn't villainous if you understand him. I like my villains mean and heartless, without remorse or petty sympathies that "explain" their darkness. Real life is never so well explained.

 

[jye4ever]

Vader is on undies.

Are there Bane undies yet?

It could say this on the underwear:

Bane: It would be extremely painful!
CIA Agent: You’re a big guy!
Bane: Fo yew!