Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Still, though, it's all so wishy-washy. Star Wars, for instance, as you said m, they give it a pass because of the OT, but totally disregard the fact that, for every chance it could reclaim the glory of the OT, there was always a possibility that it could fall into the same trappings of the PT. I just think it's premature is all.

People like to overlook the fact that, before The Avengers, there was Iron Man 2, and I think that's something to consider when we're talking about Man of Steel. I see so many people that talk about DC's "track record," as though they've had a whole series of movies that sucked, when, in reality, they've had one film that had a slightly lukewarm reception. I don't buy into the **** about "well, if you look at all their other movies, too;" that's like blaming Kevin Feige for Howard the Duck or that Sci-Fi channel Man-Thing movie.

Yeah, people ignore a lot of things. It's true that DC/WB doesn't have much of a track record, just one movie, but I guess that's enough for people to be convince that DC/WB is doomed. To be fair though, MOS got worse reviews than any Marvel film, including IM2. And people liked IM, CA, and the Thor films. Although there isn't a track record for us to judge BVS, we do have Snyder's filmography and it's not good at all, critically speaking. That's another reason people aren't optimistic about this film.

I also really don't see what's been so terrible about the trailers. Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne? Good. Wonder Woman? Seems to be capturing people's attention, even though we haven't heard a word of her performance. I think the same goes for Superman and Batman, too. We've had the same bit of dialogue repeated for Batman like 5 times, we see like one snippet of a performance out of Cavill, and we're writing it off like that defines the entire movie.

If it's bad, it's bad, but it seems like a lot of people are judging it based on the preconceptions in their minds, as opposed to what we've actually seen.

Yeah, pretty much. I will admit, I don't like the last trailer because of Luthor, Doomsday, and how much they showed, especially the trinity shot. I loved the previous trailer though.

 

[Robopredinator]

Most of the "hate" or criticism stems from people not liking MOS. Had MOS been well received or beloved, there would be less hate and people would be more optimistic about this film. They would be more open to give the small flaws a pass, like they do with other films like SW, but unfortunately, you combine the bad taste MOS left on some fans, people's opinion of Snyder, the hit and miss marketing, and the last trailer, and you have the perfect storm...or... tornado of hate.

People are also a bit more cynical now, especially in forums because negatives comments just like negative reviews are usually more fun to write and they get more attention, so that happens with all films now, not just BVS. I've been saying for a while that BVS probably won't get great reviews from critics, and those who did not like MOS, who think they'll be getting a different Superman, will be disappointed, thus adding to the hate this film will get.

I don't expect a perfect film, but I liked MOS, so I have no problems with Snyderman or the world of MOS. Some people can't let go of the past and the Reeve Superman, so they'll never like this new version, but they think that their love for Batman might save this film for them. Funny, just like WB is putting the future of their cinematic universe on Batman, a lot of people are doing the same with Batman when it comes to liking this film.

Let me preface this by saying I really enjoyed MoS and I'm not hard to please in regards to movies. I'll admit, I wasn't a big fan of the Affleck casting but after the first trailer I thought to myself, "Damn, he did look pretty good." (Funny thing is that with all this hate surrounding his casting initially, he may very well be the best thing to come out of this movie.) Now, I do see this bias for negativity that you mention happening in this day and age but I think in this case, it is very much warranted.

The second trailer had a funny vibe, Eisenberg came off as a nuisance and this Conan exclusive clip didn't help. I was pleased with the imagery but the dialogue was cringe-worthy. Superman's lines should have been authoritative and succinct. Something like, "The next time they shine your light - hide. The bat's dead." Instead we got this excessively wordy plea with an unusual cadence and rhythm to it:

"Next time they shine your light in the sky - don't go to it.

The bat is dead. Bury it.

Consider this mercy."

Oh have mercy that is amateur writing and bad delivery on Cavill's part! They should have just changed Batman's line of "Tell me . . . do you bleed? You will" to:

"Tell me. The next you are hurt or damaged.

Will you bleed? Your own blood?

I reckon you will."

 

[batfan08]

Yeah, people ignore a lot of things. It's true that DC/WB doesn't have much of a track record, just one movie, but I guess that's enough for people to be convince that DC/WB is doomed. To be fair though, MOS got worse reviews than any Marvel film, including IM2. And people liked IM, CA, and the Thor films. Although there isn't a track record for us to judge BVS, we do have Snyder's filmography and it's not good at all, critically speaking. That's another reason people aren't optimistic about this film.



Yeah, pretty much. I will admit, I don't like the last trailer because of Luthor, Doomsday, and how much they showed, especially the trinity shot. I loved the previous trailer though.

I said it before and I'll say it again: Snyder is only as good as the material he's given. When you take a visual director like that and you team him with a writer who's equally hit or miss, you're going to get a movie that's equally hit or miss. Maybe I'm putting all my eggs in one basket, but I feel like DC won me over when they made a point of handing things off to Chris Terrio, and, in my mind, a tighter script could equate to a better movie. I'm not disputing that it could suck, so much as that, as I've reiterated multiple times, it's too early to tell.

 

[GasparZizou]

There's nothing wrong with the lines. It was Cavill's bad delivery imo.

I like the guy but, that just wasn't very good.

 

[**16k**]

Honestly, I'm just tired of the constant negativity, when no one has any idea. I'm not the biggest Man of Steel fan, and I've been pretty open about the stuff that I found ******, but the level of hate for this movie is almost unnatural. I look at something like Deadpool, for instance. That movie has absolutely flawless marketing, but, at the end of the day, there's always a chance that we're seeing all of the best parts of a mediocre movie. Do I think that's the case? Absolutely not, but, as the great Yogi Berra said, "it ain't over 'til it's over."

I see so many people acting like they've seen this movie when, cumulatively, they've seen less than 5 minutes of it. I just think it takes the fun out of it, myself. This movie has been like a fun vacuum. Not because of Zack Snyder, or Frank Miller, or tone, or anything like that, but because of fans. If a person says "that's pretty cool," they get blasted with 10 people telling them why it sucks and why it's wrong to get excited about it.

I think it's the internet culture or something, but when did we lose sight of the fact that entertainment is about being entertained? I'm not saying it's the case for everyone, nor am I saying that we should have no expectations of what we find entertaining, but there is a part of me that thinks some people genuinely just want this movie to fail. For what reason, I don't know, and I do believe that it very well could be bad, but, more than anything, I just want to take a minute to appreciate the fact that, in the characters' 75+ year history, I got to live in a time where we'd get to see them brought to life on screen, together, for the first time.

This comment deserves rep!

I've got exactly the same feeling. Criticism after criticism for what? A movie no one has seen? Theirs so much hate in here!
And Cavill being diced for his delivery?...while a guy looking like a cosplayer dressed has Batman gets endless praises just because there's the name "batman" attached to him? And Snyder isn't even given a chance?

You know, that movie may well suck, but even if it turned out awesome, you guys will just keep on pounding at it just four the sake of it...

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

even if it turned out awesome, you guys will just keep on pounding at it just four the sake of it...

 

[cokebabies]

The voice, what a stupid idea, you can see his mouth?!! It makes no sense to have a vocoder/electronic treatment of his voice.
In the armor.. sure no problem but out in the open air it's idiotic.

I get that criticism, because I thought the same thing. But the more I thought about it (which wasn't actually much more) - what is really the difference? The armor is metal, sure. But his mouth is still exposed, same as his normal cowl.

If that's meant to be his speaking Bale Growl, then I'm not on board. But as long as they give some barebones explanation for why his voice sounds like that, I'll be fine.

 

[WWEJedi]

What if this movie winds up being...good?

 

[olbertfrog]

Yeah the prejudice about the movie has reached ridiculous levels.
But What can you expect when generic rehash **** like Marvel or TFA get praised non stop.
MOS tried something new with the character, the tone, they have the ball to stick to their guns with BVS.
I would have never expected in a big movie tentpole to have such scene as the capitol one.
Movie Will be crazy, violent, balsy, Will have flaw, some bad taste design wise but at least it Will be différent than all the bland super blockbusters we are used to these days.

Also remember that the haters are always the most vocal but the silent majority liked MOS and are expecting BVS

 

[tylerdurden]

Honestly, I'm just tired of the constant negativity, when no one has any idea. I'm not the biggest Man of Steel fan, and I've been pretty open about the stuff that I found ******, but the level of hate for this movie is almost unnatural. I look at something like Deadpool, for instance. That movie has absolutely flawless marketing, but, at the end of the day, there's always a chance that we're seeing all of the best parts of a mediocre movie. Do I think that's the case? Absolutely not, but, as the great Yogi Berra said, "it ain't over 'til it's over."

I see so many people acting like they've seen this movie when, cumulatively, they've seen less than 5 minutes of it. I just think it takes the fun out of it, myself. This movie has been like a fun vacuum. Not because of Zack Snyder, or Frank Miller, or tone, or anything like that, but because of fans. If a person says "that's pretty cool," they get blasted with 10 people telling them why it sucks and why it's wrong to get excited about it.

I think it's the internet culture or something, but when did we lose sight of the fact that entertainment is about being entertained? I'm not saying it's the case for everyone, nor am I saying that we should have no expectations of what we find entertaining, but there is a part of me that thinks some people genuinely just want this movie to fail. For what reason, I don't know, and I do believe that it very well could be bad, but, more than anything, I just want to take a minute to appreciate the fact that, in the characters' 75+ year history, I got to live in a time where we'd get to see them brought to life on screen, together, for the first time.

well said. all the negativity and constant whining is why i've largely stayed away from commenting in the forum for some time. it's just so damn tiresome to read. as far as i'm concerned, there is nothing wrong with cavill's delivery nor is there anything wrong with the dialogue. and i think i'm one of the few (if not the only one) who liked the last trailer with wonder woman and doomsday. granted, his look ain't great but i got a kick out of seeing ww "save" the big boys. i'm looking forward to bvs much more than x-men apocalypse, which frankly looks far worse. having said that, i approach bvs with cautious optimism.

 

[Darkseed]

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Movie won't be "different" as some may suggest. Marvel, SW and DC etc. all follow a formula.....nothing ground breaking. Folks will tire of the DC and SW formula once more films start rolling out, MCU is ahead of the curve. I like them all as we get various options / perspectives. My complaint all along has been I thought Cavill was garbage in MoS (least under Snyder) and I haven't seen anything teased to change my mind. It'll be up to the film to Prove otherwise as I have seen what the combination of Cavill / Snyder / Formula produced in MoS so my expectations for BvS are low. Too bad if it offends some of you, it's the way it goes.

 

[RIDDICK]

well said. all the negativity and constant whining is why i've largely stayed away from commenting in the forum for some time. it's just so damn tiresome to read.

Subjective or not, negative or positive - it's just people talking about stuff.
I like to read and hear all opinions, especialy the one's I may not agree with.
They may change my mind, help to understand or see/unsee things.
Nothing is offensive unless you take it as such.

So far acting and dialogs feels bad for sure because people expected this film to be very dark and thoughtful. That's the fault of false marketing prior to the third trailer, not ours. Maybe the film ISN'T very dark, maybe it's just another cheesy Bay-style flick? Time will tell, but for now people has every right to be confused.

 

[greygoose]

Subjective or not, negative or positive - it's just people talking about stuff.
I like to read and hear all opinions, especialy the one's I may not agree with.
They may change my mind, help to understand or see/unsee things.
Nothing is offensive unless you take it as such.

So far acting and dialogs feels bad for sure because people expected this film to be very dark and thoughtful. That's the fault of false marketing prior to the third trailer, not ours. Maybe the film ISN'T very dark, maybe it's just another cheesy Bay-style flick? Time will tell, but for now people has every right to be confused.

Only Bay can do full on Bay-Style. Hopefully the movie has it's dark moments.

 

[pturtle]

Man, where was Batfan the moment Michael B Jordan got cast in Fantastic Four? definitely could have used a speech like that, that movie had an unbelievably unwarranted bias against it before it even went into production.

I thought for the teaser and first trailer, people were pretty optimistic about BvS here outside of like 5 people, but the last trailer ruined everything for me. I'm still routing for this movie but I'll be lying if I said I think this is going to be good after the last trailer and tv spots. I thought the last clip was cheesy and horribly acted, but I also couldn't care less about Batman and Superman fighting now that they already showed the two of them working together to take down Doomsday.




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[Rorywan]

Honestly, I'm just tired of the constant negativity, when no one has any idea. I'm not the biggest Man of Steel fan, and I've been pretty open about the stuff that I found ******, but the level of hate for this movie is almost unnatural. I look at something like Deadpool, for instance. That movie has absolutely flawless marketing, but, at the end of the day, there's always a chance that we're seeing all of the best parts of a mediocre movie. Do I think that's the case? Absolutely not, but, as the great Yogi Berra said, "it ain't over 'til it's over."

I see so many people acting like they've seen this movie when, cumulatively, they've seen less than 5 minutes of it. I just think it takes the fun out of it, myself. This movie has been like a fun vacuum. Not because of Zack Snyder, or Frank Miller, or tone, or anything like that, but because of fans. If a person says "that's pretty cool," they get blasted with 10 people telling them why it sucks and why it's wrong to get excited about it.

I think it's the internet culture or something, but when did we lose sight of the fact that entertainment is about being entertained? I'm not saying it's the case for everyone, nor am I saying that we should have no expectations of what we find entertaining, but there is a part of me that thinks some people genuinely just want this movie to fail. For what reason, I don't know, and I do believe that it very well could be bad, but, more than anything, I just want to take a minute to appreciate the fact that, in the characters' 75+ year history, I got to live in a time where we'd get to see them brought to life on screen, together, for the first time.

This comment deserves rep!

I've got exactly the same feeling. Criticism after criticism for what? A movie no one has seen? Theirs so much hate in here!
And Cavill being diced for his delivery?...while a guy looking like a cosplayer dressed has Batman gets endless praises just because there's the name "batman" attached to him? And Snyder isn't even given a chance?

You know, that movie may well suck, but even if it turned out awesome, you guys will just keep on pounding at it just four the sake of it...

People are responding to MOS (completely valid, same director, same subject matter) and the trailers and imagery we have seen so far. Nothing less, nothing more. Personally I pretty much hate everything I've seen from this movie so far (and I love Superman and Batman and even like Affleck), was very disappointed with MOS (I thought the second half in particular was a disastrous mess). So I'm surprised that there is any question of why Superman fans like me are being negative to what we have seen. Snyder has worn out his *wait and see the movie* goodwill and I know I personally am simply reacting to the terrible trailers we have seen so far. The only footage that worked was the early con teaser trailer. Everything else IMO has been awful.

Warner's themselves pulled the latest trailer that was supposed to go out before Star Wars and replaced it with a mish mash of old material. Why?..because the public reacted so badly to see Luthor presented as a SNL version of Jim Carrey, bad acting all round and some incredibly cheesy dialogue. Even the effects looked piss poor, jesus how many years and how much money have they spent on this?

I'm surprised there are any rose-tinted positive fans left. And if there are, good for them, I hope they get the movie they want.
I simply don't like what I've seen, and many many others feel the same. The trailer that did run before Force Awakens got groans of displeasure after it ended. And a few unintentional laughs.

Subjective or not, negative or positive - it's just people talking about stuff.
I like to read and hear all opinions, especialy the one's I may not agree with.
They may change my mind, help to understand or see/unsee things.
Nothing is offensive unless you take it as such.

So far acting and dialogs feels bad for sure because people expected this film to be very dark and thoughtful. That's the fault of false marketing prior to the third trailer, not ours. Maybe the film ISN'T very dark, maybe it's just another cheesy Bay-style flick? Time will tell, but for now people has every right to be confused.

Exactly what riddick said. If you only want to hear views that you agree with turn off the social media and internet.

 

[jye4ever]

Most of the "hate" or criticism stems from people not liking MOS. Had MOS been well received or beloved, there would be less hate and people would be more optimistic about this film. They would be more open to give the small flaws a pass, like they do with other films like SW, but unfortunately, you combine the bad taste MOS left on some fans, people's opinion of Snyder, the hit and miss marketing, and the last trailer, and you have the perfect storm...or... tornado of hate.

People are also a bit more cynical now, especially in forums because negatives comments just like negative reviews are usually more fun to write and they get more attention, so that happens with all films now, not just BVS. I've been saying for a while that BVS probably won't get great reviews from critics, and those who did not like MOS, who think they'll be getting a different Superman, will be disappointed, thus adding to the hate this film will get.

I don't expect a perfect film, but I liked MOS, so I have no problems with Snyderman or the world of MOS. Some people can't let go of the past and the Reeve Superman, so they'll never like this new version, but they think that their love for Batman might save this film for them. Funny, just like WB is putting the future of their cinematic universe on Batman, a lot of people are doing the same with Batman when it comes to liking this film.

New Batman costume keeps getting less cool everytime Batman makes some goofy face.

Cavill's "serious line delivery acting" is stiffer than the Prequel Trilogy on viagra.

Lex looks like Napolean Dynamite.

Can't wait to hear WW talk Fast and Furious like.

What happened to that serious drama they promised.

Alfred is the only good thing so far.

Am I being too hard?

 

[batfan08]

I still can't understand what about the trailers is so objectively terrible. As I said, it's frankly ridiculous to judge a two and a half hour movie based on less than five minutes of footage. Even when I think or what was "wrong" with Man of Steel. Everything I've seen thus far seems to be dealing directly with a lot of the criticisms that movie got. The hearing in Washington, Bruce Wayne's vendetta; it all stems from Clark's carelessness during the battle of Metropolis.

I just fail to see why we can't just see the ******* movie, first. It's ridiculous, though, when the people who do want to see how it turns out don't even want to talk about it anymore, because they know it's just going to get piled on with everyone saying how much of a ****fest it's going to be. This thing could very well suck, and, honestly, at this point, I'd say it's probably more likely than the alternative, but part of me wants to see this thing surprise everybody just so I can watch the massive amount of crow being consumed.

 

[Rorywan]

It's not being judged on 5 minutes of footage though. It's a sequel to a movie that s lot of people hated.
And it seems from the 5 minutes that we have seen to compound what didn't work in that movie rather than fixing it's issues.


I would imagine a lot of people would be VERY happy if this turns out to be unexpectedly great. Eating crow won't come into it.
Everyone wants a good Batman Superman movie.

 

[RIDDICK]

At this point I only want it to be a solid film. I won't judge this on Batman and Superman merits because it's too different from what I like about these characters.

 

[crows]

My belly isn't big enough for the amount of crow I'll have to eat. *looks down* well, it's getting there.

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