Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[batfan08]

It's not being judged on 5 minutes of footage though. It's a sequel to a movie that s lot of people hated.
And it seems from the 5 minutes that we have seen to compound what didn't work in that movie rather than fixing it's issues.


I would imagine a lot of people would be VERY happy if this turns out to be unexpectedly great. Eating crow won't come into it.
Everyone wants a good Batman Superman movie.

How does it compound those issues, though? A lot of what I've seen is them addressing the issues. Wasn't one of the biggest things Superman's carelessness and how he didn't help people? So far, out of 5 minutes of footage, we see him:
-Saving Flood Victims
-Saving a Rocket
...and, as far as the Battle of Metropolis goes, we see it from Bruce Wayne's perspective, we see how that's the foundation of his problem with Superman, and we see that Superman's going to a hearing about it, not to mention all the protesters, the "false god" graffiti, etc. Ideally, they wouldn't be having to apply the narrative fix-a-flat to their Man of Steel sized blow out, but, if we're talking about getting a better Superman movie, I am think of worse ways to get there than by actually addressing the issues of the last film.

 

[Rorywan]

How does it compound those issues, though? A lot of what I've seen is them addressing the issues. Wasn't one of the biggest things Superman's carelessness and how he didn't help people? So far, out of 5 minutes of footage, we see him:
-Saving Flood Victims
-Saving a Rocket
...and, as far as the Battle of Metropolis goes, we see it from Bruce Wayne's perspective, we see how that's the foundation of his problem with Superman, and we see that Superman's going to a hearing about it, not to mention all the protesters, the "false god" graffiti, etc. Ideally, they wouldn't be having to apply the narrative fix-a-flat to their Man of Steel sized blow out, but, if we're talking about getting a better Superman movie, I am think of worse ways to get there than by actually addressing the issues of the last film.

Compounds in the over use of rag doll CGI fighting, cheesy dialogue and video game looking silly action. This time without Russell Crowe and Hans Zimmer in fine form (Junkie is actually doing this with a little input from Zimmer), who made the first one watchable for me, this time we have a billion characters jammed together, a terrible looking CG villain (so far) and some rather annoying performance from Eisenberg, how can one performance be so irritating in a matter of seconds? "here come the red coats, here come the redcoats" *shudder*

 

[Rorywan]

Ugh it's even worse a second time. Cavill is so bad he's like some random youtube actor that you see in those "Who would win, Superman or Darth Vader" short films. And it's so awkward how he delivers his whole "the bat is DEAD, consider this mercy" line and then slowly turns around, slowly takes a couple awkward steps (toward the edge of the Batmobile's hood??) *just* so that Batman has enough time to conveniently say the "do you bleed" line. You'd think that with Superman's "mercy" comment he'd want to put an exclamation point on that and just boom take off like a rocket but nope, he slowly meanders toward the edge of Bruce's car just so that Batman can get the last word in a contrived "whoa" moment. Yikes. Not looking good.

Missed your post on this, perfectly described.

 

[karamazov80]

Yeah, I do the the "youtube fan video vibe" from his performance.

I think Gadot is going to be the best thing about the film.

I'm most worried about Lex being annoying

One thing about MOS and the trailers being terrible--I'm not worried about anything here. If the movie doesn't annoy the **** out of me, then I'll consider it a successful viewing

 

[crows]

I will wait until the day it comes out have faith in Affleck

He did not want to repeat a daredevil. That was the most embarrassing for him

He would have not accept this if it was going to suck.... He would have never done that to himself.

He even kicked goyer to the curb.got his own writer to fix the story.

I have to believe he is smarter than that.

 

[jye4ever]

The trailers for MOS were great.

 

[Rorywan]

The trailers for MOS were great.

troublemaker..

 

[bunnyfreakz]

Seriously people on this thread are way too overanalyze everything. Wow.... even Star Wars prequels and Fan4stic not get so much heat

 

[pturtle]

Fantastic Four got way more hate than this

 

[bunnyfreakz]

BvS got so much hate, Star Wars get so much love in unnatural way.

 

[jye4ever]

troublemaker..

No i'm serious, they were.

Then came the tornado.

 

[DiFabio]

I want this to be great, the idea of a Batman vs. Superman movie has so much potential and something I've been very much looking forward to since it's announcement. So far though it doesn't look or sound good, and that's a problem.

Is it really "hating"? Maybe for some people I guess. It did seem like people were being unfair and biased towards the project since the beginning. Now though? I'm not sure. The skepticism seems justified. The teaser and first trailer had me hooked, but everything now just looks bad. THIS is what they're showing people to get hyped? They've had years to work this out in pre and post production, an extra year even, and this is it? It's not very promising. Something tells me this movie lacks a vision and direction. None of it "feels" right, for me atleast.

 

[greygoose]

I want this to be great, the idea of a Batman vs. Superman movie has so much potential and something I've been very much looking forward to since it's announcement. So far though it doesn't look or sound good, and that's a problem.

Is it really "hating"? Maybe for some people I guess. It did seem like people were being unfair and biased towards the project since the beginning. Now though? I'm not sure. The skepticism seems justified. The teaser and first trailer had me hooked, but everything now just looks bad. THIS is what they're showing people to get hyped? They've had years to work this out in pre and post production, an extra year even, and this is it? It's not very promising. Something tells me this movie lacks a vision and direction. None of it "feels" right, for me atleast.

Who's at fault though, the studio, the director, both?

I still believe Batfleck will deliver, he has a credible reputation to keep up.

 

[karamazov80]

I want this to be great, the idea of a Batman vs. Superman movie has so much potential and something I've been very much looking forward to since it's announcement. So far though it doesn't look or sound good, and that's a problem.

Is it really "hating"? Maybe for some people I guess. It did seem like people were being unfair and biased towards the project since the beginning. Now though? I'm not sure. The skepticism seems justified. The teaser and first trailer had me hooked, but everything now just looks bad. THIS is what they're showing people to get hyped? They've had years to work this out in pre and post production, an extra year even, and this is it? It's not very promising. Something tells me this movie lacks a vision and direction. None of it "feels" right, for me atleast.

Well I think some of us has the foresight. . .no, let's go with wisdom and vision, to see where this was going. Seriously though, it's a basic example of looking at the component parts (Snyder, WB, Cavill, Goyer, ill-advised attempt to follow in Nolan's footsteps), evaluating their history, and forecasting where it's going to go. We all should do it, because it's what rational human beings do all the time. And there's not a lot of surprises here:

-Good, even great teaser trailers (Snyder's specialty)
-Cosmetic stuff is excellent
-Action should be good, even if over CG-ified and without much substance to it
-Drama seems sub-par
-The whole development of the JL seems rushed and awkward; suggesting that the executive strategy is (still) quite questionable
-Overly dark and pessimistic vibe
-"Humor" should check itself at the door
-Very likely the spirit of major characters will not match up with the expectations of long-time fans and observers
-Movie will likely go out of its way to attempt to address criticisms of prior films, but in the process may lose sight of just making itself a good movie

 

[Khev]

Star Wars get so much love in unnatural way.

 

[Khev]

I don't have any investment in these versions of the characters so I don't really need the film to be "good." I'm pretty much in "Genisys mode" with respect to this film. I'm looking forward to it, expect to enjoy it on opening weekend, and then enjoy the back and forth here afterward.

We've already got great Superman and Batman films, several in fact. No big deal if Snyder messes this one up.

 

[jye4ever]

For starters lets just hope its not the borefest that MOS was.

Being thrilling did wonders for TFA.

 

[Khev]

For starters lets just hope its not the borefest that MOS was.

Being thrilling did wonders for TFA.

Yeah the formula to making a good superhero (or Star Wars) movie really isn't rocket science. Every director should just have these two steps written on a sticky note for easy reference when filming every scene:

1. Don't have the characters say or do anything stupid.

2. Have lots of cool action scenes.

Done. Any superhero or SW film that follows those steps will be successful and appreciated. The end.

The Russo Bros followed those steps and so did Abrams with TFA.

 

[batfan08]

Yeah the formula to making a good superhero (or Star Wars) movie really isn't rocket science. Every director should just have these two steps written on a sticky note for easy reference when filming every scene:

1. Don't have the characters say or do anything stupid.

2. Have lots of cool action scenes.

Done. Any superhero or SW film that follows those steps will be successful and appreciated. The end.

The Russo Bros followed those steps and so did Abrams with TFA.

I guess that disqualified TFA on the basis of Kylo Ren, alone.

 

[Khev]

I guess that disqualified TFA on the basis of Kylo Ren, alone.

Says you and about five other people (all Batman fans randomly enough.) The rest of us know a great and layered character when we see one. But by all means you and your friends can keep up the campaign that Kylo was weak if it makes you feel better.