Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

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No one knows who Martian Manhunter is. No one knows who Aquaman is. People have re-forgotten who Green Lantern is. Again I think you guys overestimate the general awareness of characters like those. But as you said Clownprince, DC has made a lot of films that didn't exactly fire people's imaginations, maybe just throwing them all together suddenly is their last best chance.
 
Batman and Superman as characters are durable, you can do whatever you want with them and they won't break. Some things work, some things don't. A lot of the success for both characters in the various forms of media is the equivalence of catching lightning in a bottle. There isn't a sure thing to bank on for Batman to always equal a success. There are no rules or a check list that he must adhere to. Look at how many different interpretations there are of him. This is why Batman and Superman continue to exist after the 75+ years since their creation, they're flexible as icons.

If this particular formula they chose for this movie works in a couple of weeks, we'll see more of Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman and the Justice League. If it proves to be the wrong choice . . . they'll still make Batman (and Superman) movies in the future. They're never going to die and they've been on screen a lot longer than the Marvel characters, who to my knowledge, only have one cinematic version of each of those characters.

I don't know. Batman and robin almost made everyone think batman was a joke.
 
We've seen Marvel succeed at taking lesser known characters like Iron Man and Thor and giving them their own films before throwing them into a team film AND just introducing obscure characters all at once (GotG.)
 
I'm pretty sure other people here have said this already, but I guess I'll remind you that the Marvel characters needed their own films first because no one knew who Iron Man was....in fact, the mainstream audience didn't even know what Avengers was and the only character in that group who was well known by the public was Hulk. Batman and Superman don't need to use the Marvel formula before having them share the screen for the first time for people to get excited. This film doesn't feel like 76 years in the making, but making a MOS 2, a solo Batman film, and a solo WW is not really going to change that.

We keep talking about these Marvel film and referring to how the General public did not know them so they had to make all those origin films...

Lets be honest and take the general public out of this argument. Lets look at the Marvel films as comic fans.. We as comic fans knew who IM, Thor, Cap, and Hulk were... We did not need all of that lead up to The Avengers.. But the Avengers was a better movie because of it... Even when some of those films were not all that great....

I say the same logic goes for BvS... Of course we know who everyone is... But just like the Avengers was made a better movie due to build up so would BvS


If you want to talk about General public then that is a different story... Yes all you said is true in regards of the Marvel films and they are more familiar with Batman and Superman.. But when you are talking about just Us.. The fans of Comics... Then the old... "Batman and Superman have been around forever and thus don't need to follow the Marvel way", does not hold up as well... The film might still be good... Hell it might be great... But I will still say that is could have been even better had it given these incarnations of the characters their own movie. In a way I think they cheated the fans.
 
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Let me also state I am a Marvel fan first.. Hulk is my fav Character but Batman is easily number two and I probably read Batman more then any other comics...

Just saying I am not being a DC hater.
 
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Let me also state I am a Marvel first.. Hulk is my fav Character but Batman is easily number two and I probably read Batman more then any other comics...

Just saying I am not being a DC hater.

It doesn't matter what you say when it comes to fandom because people want to live in extremes these days. If you don't like something you're a hater and if you do then you are a mindless fanboy. Welcome to Trump University.
 
Captain America was well known just not on par with the others. Iron man was B list at best

Only comic fans or kids who grew up watching the 90's Iron Man cartoon knew who he was, but to the public, he was a new character. Capt America was known the same way WW is known today, which is a very iconic looking character that's been around forever, but no one knows her story or origin, they just know what she looks like.

We've seen Marvel succeed at taking lesser known characters like Iron Man and Thor and giving them their own films before throwing them into a team film AND just introducing obscure characters all at once (GotG.)

True, although by the time GOTG hit the screen, the Marvel brand was strong enough to sell these unknown characters. Another benefit of using unknown characters, is that people don't have preconceived notions of what the characters should be or shouldn't be as we've seen with characters like Batman and Superman, which have been around for so long that everyone has in their minds their own ideal version of those characters, hence why it's more difficult to make the fans happy. Also, unknown characters don't t get compared with previous versions because they're one of a kind.

We keep talking about these Marvel film and referring to the General public not know them so they had to make all those films... Lets be honest.. Take the general public out of this argument

I can't, because those films were made specifically for the general audience. They had to build their universe on the shoulders of an unknown character, IM. He had never been in a film before unlike Batman or Superman and no one knew his origin. By now, people know Sups origin from MOS, and Batman is so iconic that everyone knows his story....giving him a solo film first is not going to change that.


[ come at this as comic fans.. We as comic fans knew who IM, Thor, Cap, and Hulk were... We did not need all of that lead up to The Avengers..

The avengers are a larger group of characters and their facing Gods and aliens from other worlds and that needed to be set up. BVS is about Batman (a well know character) having a problem with Sups because of what happened in the previous film which people are familiar with. That's a simple story. Yes, there's Lex Luthor also, but again he's a well known villain, unlike Loki.

But the Avengers was a better movie because of it... Even when some of those films were not all that great....

Yes, because it had many elements that needed a set up for the film to make sense.

I say the same logic goes for BvS... Of course we know who everyone is... But just like the Avengers was made a better movie due to build up.. the same would go for BvS....

Not really, BVS is a much simpler story which is building upon a film that people are already familiar with.

If WB was making a Justice League film, I would agree with you that they are rushing it, but they're not making a JL film, it's BvS: Dawn of Justice, and by the time the JL: part 1 comes out, there's MOS, BVS, Suicide Squad, and Wonder Woman to get us ready for JL. The film will most likely focus on the trinity anyway, with Flash and Aquaman doing some cool stuff.
 
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So my green bar thingy is useless? :lol Isn't true that before the whole premium membership nonsense everyone could give rep, not just the premium members? I remember there was no premium membership a few years ago, also the forum page didn't have this bright annoying white color. It was darker.
 
Lots of Catch-22 in here. Everyone just seems to be justifying their opinion. At the end of the day people who are positive about the movie so far will most likely be content with it, those who are openly negative will most likely still hate it, those on the fence could go either way but probably won't admit they like it.
 
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What a bloated mess of a thread. :lol

Hopes VS Flecks is going to be quite a talking point AFTER release.

It'll put the current 'discussion' to shame. :monkey1
 
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I don't think that's the case. I Rep people all the time.:lol
 
As for this argument about build up, if we're talking about the crown jewel being Justice League, I'd say they have plenty enough build-up. Let's be honest, the appeal of Justice League to the public at large is that it's pretty much the DC trinity power-hour guest starring Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman, and Martian Manhunter (at least, that's the way it should be, *********).

Point is, the meat in the middle of that cheeseburger has always been Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman. By the time Justice League rolls around, Superman will have had two films, Wonder Woman will have had appearances in two films, and Batman in two films, not to mention the little cameos giving the public their first exposure to The Flash, Cyborg, and Aquaman.

As far as I'm concerned, that's like giving Black Widow and Hawkeye their own movies before The Avengers. With that in mind, it almost seems like this move makes Justice League less noteworthy, in a way, because, sure, it's the first appearance of the Justice League, but we'll have already seen the heart of the group working together in this movie. The thing I hate hearing is that "they're doing it wrong," and "it doesn't feel earned."

Let's be real, here: the comic book movie genre did not reach the apex of its popularity until recently. Sure, we're coming up on 8 years since Iron Man, but we have to keep in mind that the character, himself, had been around since the '60s, and, in the case of a lot of Marvel and DC characters, many of these guys and gals are in their 70s.

To me, that kind of pigeonholing stifles creativity and only leads to run-of-the-mill products. Let me be clear: the time to say "you did it wrong" should come after these movies have already been seen. The fact is that, at the end of the day, there are often multiple viable solutions to a problem, and saying that DC did it wrong simply because they didn't tackle it "the Marvel way" is ********.
 
You're kidding right? :lol Have you seen the post and view count in this thread? It's the equivalent of the attention this movie in general, irl and the internet has got.

The post count in this thread is directly relatable to the fact that this movie was supposed to come out years ago.
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The funny thing is that it really hasn't been that long. 3 years is pretty much the standard turnaround time for sequels; hell, it took longer for TDKR to come out, but this was announced so early that it gives people the perception that they've been waiting forever.
 
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